Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #4

[pferrin]

I have several issues with statements in this article.

the police have not said who they are checking on ..hospital footage.

the police said that AS cut her down and that he said she was hanging..not that they verified she had been hanging.

this once again tries to attack the victim..ie sex stuff..yet from what I have read..erotica asphixia requires on had free.
I will come up with more issues...hehehe

 

[jjenny]

There would be difference jjenny.

If they made her jump I would think there would be signs off a struggle. Rebecca just wouldn't say 'ok Ill jump" she would fight to live. That is just a normal instinct when self preservation kicks in and it has been said that she was in great physical shape. So imo they would find defensive wounds on her hands and arms as she wrestled with the person trying to tie her up and would see signs of a struggle in and near the balcony area.

She would not just stand there doing nothing while the person but a noose around her neck or bound her wrists and feet up.

I am sure LE has had to figure out before if a death was a suicide or a homicide and they look for certain factors that point in one direction or the other.

The knots also can be a key piece of evidence. They most likely will call in a knot expert to get their opinion whether she made the knots herself or they believe the particular knot was used by another with a specific background and trade.

IMO

Well after all police did describe her death as "violent." So how does that jive with suicide?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Yep the knots..also it is difficult to tie ones hands and feet tightly with extension cord..I could tie someone else tightly but not myself..impossible.

Not with orange extension cords.

I admit that my eyesight could be much better but in the photo of Rebecca laying on the lawn the material around her ankles didn't appear to be the extension cord. It looked brown or dark and much wider than an extension cord would be. Like maybe some kind of cloth like material.

IMO

 

[4Jacy]

I posted this way back when....I want to see these people. I want to see JS, AS, Dina, NN. I want to see their hands, arms, chests and necks. Why are they not coming forward; perhaps waiting for wounds to heal! Remember the marks on RC's hand and neck.

These are POI and they are being treated differently than the average Joe. Get it done LE, get it done!!

 

[MizStery]

I have several issues with statements in this article.

the police have not said who they are checking on ..hospital footage.

the police said that AS cut her down and that he said she was hanging..not that they verified she had been hanging.

this once again tries to attack the victim..ie sex stuff..yet from what I have read..erotica asphixia requires on had free.
I will come up with more issues...hehehe

Thank-you pferrin for reading my post! My meaning was not clear...I knew I changed the font size but forgot to color it. red

Here goes the theory I meant to highlight Did Jonah release the statement about wanting to propose to Zahau as a cover up?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Well after all police did describe her death as "violent." So how does that jive with suicide?

I think that is because of the way they found her. It would be considered violent because women tend to usually kill themselves in a non-violent manner such as using drugs to overdose themselves and do it within the confines of their homes.

They do hang themselves but to be naked and exposed hanging on an outside balcony I would say is extremely rare and almost unheard of but the psyche experts will say that those that commit suicide can be very creative in the way they do it though.

So I think it was taking everything in totality that LE deemed it violent. Just like they did in the Melinda Duckett suicide when she went into a closet and blew her head off with her grandfather's shotgun. Both cases were extreme ways to commit suicide if Rebecca's death was due to suicide. Out of the norm for a female.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I posted this way back when....I want to see these people. I want to see JS, AS, Dina, NN. I want to see their hands, arms, chests and necks. Why are they not coming forward; perhaps waiting for wounds to heal! Remember the marks on RC's hand and neck.

These are POI and they are being treated differently than the average Joe. Get it done LE, get it done!!

I dont think you are going to see any of these people.

They were interviewed by police though and I have no doubt LE looked them over for any new bruises, cuts or scrapes.

IMO

 

[defense101]

I think that is because of the way they found her. It would be considered violent because women tend to usually kill themselves in a non-violent manner such as using drugs to overdose themselves and do it within the confines of their homes.

They do hang themselves but to be naked and exposed hanging on an outside balcony I would say is extremely rare and almost unheard of but the psyche experts will say that those that commit suicide can be very creative in the way they do it though.

So I think it was taking everything in totality that LE deemed it violent. Just like they did in the Melinda Duckett suicide when she went into a closet and blew her head off with her grandfather's shotgun. Both cases were extreme ways to commit suicide if Rebecca's death was due to suicide. Out of the norm for a female.

IMO

I thought I heard or read that the interior of the house where the balcony is located was suspicious, anyone remember this?

 

[pferrin]

Ocean..I'm still unsure of material used to tie Rebecca. I think almost anything rope cord belt..whatever..it would be difficult to tie oneself as tightly as we could tie someone else. Dont know if death is due to hanging..if it is who dunnit. I will believe she did it to her self.

When I first started reading this thread..you were looking more closely at suicide..so I started sleuthing hanging suicides. I talked to my brother a lot about suicides erotica asphixia ..I kept researching..everything everyone wrote. Then I could only come to one conclusion. Homicide. dont know why or who or exactly when it happened..cause coroner is not talking.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I thought I heard or read that the interior of the house where the balcony is located was suspicious, anyone remember this?

Suspicous? I am not sure what you mean by that but I havent read that. Perhaps another poster has and I missed it somehow.

IMO

 

[Paladine]

Figured we could use some links to get some possible facts straight...here's an earlier report...

On July 11, police received a call from a woman at the mansion who they would not identify, requesting medical aid for Max.

The child "had fallen from stairs and was not breathing and did not have a pulse," Coronado Police Chief Louis Scanlon said last Thursday.

Maybe this is where the 'party' meme started...Tuesday night is the night Rebecca died...well, into Wed a.m....

In between the boy's accident and the discovery of Zahau's body, neighbors told ABC News affiliate KGTV a loud party took place at the mansion on Tuesday night. However, police said last Thursday they were not aware of any parties.

Zahau's sister Mary Zahau-Loehner, 33, told ABC News last week that she spoke with her sister around midnight Tuesday, and everything seemed to be OK.
"She was normal, fine, just getting ready to go to bed," said Zahau-Loehner, who lives in Saint Joseph, Mo.

And if you watch this video, just to the left on your screen at link: "Coronado Mansion Death: Police Investigate", pay attention to when they 'light up' the 'rope', it's right at the begininng. There appears to ME to be an orange AND brown 'rope'...the brown looks a little orange, but the orange looks REALLY orange. It's around her ARM, I THINK? If you have a look, please tell me if you see what I see...
http://abcnews.go.com/US/spreckels-mansion-death-boy-max-schacknai-dies/story?id=14097880

 

[katydid23]

Several years ago I was helping my teen son and his friend decorate our front yard for Halloween. They found two long orange extension cords in the garage and asked if they could use them. I said not to plug them in because they were really old and had gotten wet once. But they just wanted to use them to ties a ghost hanging from a tree and a hanging man. We found out first hand that these cords do not hold knots very well. I am really curious too about what kind of knots were used to secure the body. We had no luck trying regular common knots when we tried to hang the dummy. The knots would not hold, but kept loosening up on their own. And it was impossible to pull it really tight and have it stay. We tried it many times and gave up on the orange cords because the knots kept loosening up and I was afraid it was going to come loose and fall on somebody.

 

[Carrington]

Is it OK to use CPR on someone that fell?
I would think not, but really don't know, my thinking is it might cause a lot of damage.
IMO

 

[obmama]

I can't imagine anyone scheduling a big blowout like that, for that purpose, on a Tuesday night.

You're right. I meant to bring up the odd day for a party.

As for the guest list, no one came forward to say they were on it. They weren't popular in the neighborhood. That leaves rich Zonies with summer homes, so day of the week is irrelevant when you're on vacation.

I doubt it was a big bash, rather an intimate gathering, which would be appropriate for her second and his third marriage, if indeed it was an engagement party. Like I said, media reports of a marriage proposal seemed sketchy to me, and I was looking for clues to support its validity.

It's like a jigsaw puzzle with the edges missing and no picture to follow!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Ocean..I'm still unsure of material used to tie Rebecca. I think almost anything rope cord belt..whatever..it would be difficult to tie oneself as tightly as we could tie someone else. Don't know if death is due to hanging..if it is who dunnit. I will believe she did it to her self.

When I first started reading this thread..you were looking more closely at suicide..so I started sleuthing hanging suicides. I talked to my brother a lot about suicides erotica asphixia ..I kept researching..everything everyone wrote. Then I could only come to one conclusion. Homicide. don't know why or who or exactly when it happened..cause coroner is not talking.

I do think she may have been hung by the electrical cord but I think another material bound her hands and feet. The binding on her feet were rather odd to me. Her legs and feet were separated yet the material still on the ankles.

I also think she has some type of dark blue scarf around her neck or it seems that way to me.

I am really not sure what happened here. I do believe she could have been in the right frame of mind to commit suicide. Women tend to take the guilt of the world on their shoulders when something traumatic happens but hanging herself outside does give me pause. Now if this had happened inside the mansion then maybe a suicide but I too have questions even though I am not firmly convinced either way now.

I just don't think it would take this long for the ME to determine if it was a homicide but maybe it does.

But it took the ME in California 7 months to finally come to the MOD on Lana Clarkson (Phil Spector) when he finally ruled it was not a suicide and was a homicide instead when that should have been the MOD from day one.

IMO

 

[Paladine]

I thought I heard or read that the interior of the house where the balcony is located was suspicious, anyone remember this?

I posted that in the presser link posted it was asked what the interior room was like and police said, no comment...and reporters asked whose room it was: no comment...you might have found that suspicious...or hearing it maight have made you feel suspicious. Someone else might have a link but what I recall is 'violent' and 'bizzare'....no link though, so a big IIRC. And I might not.

 

[katydid23]

Several years ago I was helping my teen son and his friend decorate our front yard for Halloween. They found two long orange extension cords in the garage and asked if they could use them. I said not to plug them in because they were really old and had gotten wet once. But they just wanted to use them to tie a ghost hanging from a tree and tie a hanging man. We found out first hand that these cords do not hold knots very well. I am really curious too about what kind of knots were used to secure the body. We had no luck trying regular common knots when we tried to hang the dummy. The knots would not hold, but kept loosening up on their own. And it was impossible to pull it really tight and have it stay. We tried it many times and gave up on the orange cords because the knots kept loosening up and I was afraid it was going to come loose and fall on somebody.
ETA: maybe the weight of the body helped keep the knot tight. Our dummy was stuffed with newspaper so maybe it was not heavy enough to keep the knots tight.

 

[Bonepile]

Just found this thread today, so I apologize in advance if someone else has already posted this.

StJohn: I was the one who originally posted the obit and the link to the video on page 7 #174 of this thread.

I also do not want you to miss page 9 #218 which is the original cemetery information as to the number of her gravesite and name of cemetery.

Thanks for posting the obit and video tribute again. We really do need to study those photos from the first one to the very last. As the old saying goes "pictures do speak louder than words" and "one picture is worth a thousand words" and I love to review her life, see her contagious smile and note who is NOT in that video tribute.

http://www.meierhoffer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/zahau_rebecca.swf

Thanks one more time for finding it and posting it.

 

[justbetweenus]

There would be difference jjenny.

If they made her jump I would think there would be signs off a struggle. Rebecca just wouldn't say 'ok Ill jump" she would fight to live. That is just a normal instinct when self preservation kicks in and it has been said that she was in great physical shape. So imo they would find defensive wounds on her hands and arms as she wrestled with the person trying to tie her up and would see signs of a struggle in and near the balcony area.

She would not just stand there doing nothing while the person but a noose around her neck or bound her wrists and feet up.

I am sure LE has had to figure out before if a death was a suicide or a homicide and they look for certain factors that point in one direction or the other.

The knots also can be a key piece of evidence. They most likely will call in a knot expert to get their opinion whether she made the knots herself or they believe the particular knot was used by another with a specific background and trade.

IMO

BBM:

In my theory, she was in bed, and most likely sleeping when she was attacked. Her arms grabbed first and tied behind her. She didn't have a chance.

 

[Paladine]

I do think she may have been hung by the electrical cord but I think another material bound her hands and feet. The binding on her feet were rather odd to me. Her legs and feet were separated yet the material still on the ankles.

I also think she has some type of dark blue scarf around her neck or it seems that way to me.

I am really not sure what happened here. I do believe she could have been in the right frame of mind to commit suicide. Women tend to take the guilt of the world on their shoulders when something traumatic happens but hanging herself outside does give me pause. Now if this had happened inside the mansion then maybe a suicide but I too have questions even though I am not firmly convinced either way now.

I just don't think it would take this long for the ME to determine if it was a homicide but maybe it does.

But it took the ME in California 7 months to finally come to the MOD on Lana Clarkson (Phil Spector) when he finally ruled it was not a suicide and was a homicide instead when that should have been the MOD from day one.

IMO

RBBM

In that presser link Curran said she was "suspended by rope" and bound/tied by something else, he did not elaborate on what it was...