Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #5

[SDT]

For a father to have his child witness his suicide is definitely unfathomable to me as well. Thank you for sharing.

I personally feel that she was murdered. Even though it is possible she killed herself in the nude with elaborate bindings, I am of the belief it wasn't that probable. JMHO

Another poster had mentioned that the items used to bind her were "manly" items...extension cords and possible marine rope. I would think that a person desperate to end their own life would use whatever is closest and available. I would think I would grab belts, scarves, lamp cords, etc. It seems like a lot of effort to trapse across to the other side of house and go to the garage for the cords and rope. Another thing that is bugging me...why no suicide note?

 

[Evan's Mom]

For a father to have his child witness his suicide is definitely unfathomable to me as well. Thank you for sharing.

I personally feel that she was murdered. Even though it is possible she killed herself in the nude with elaborate bindings, I am of the belief it wasn't that probable. JMHO

Another poster had mentioned that the items used to bind her were "manly" items...extension cords and possible marine rope. I would think that a person desperate to end their own life would use whatever is closest and available. I would think I would grab belts, scarves, lamp cords, etc. It seems like a lot of effort to trapse across to the other side of house and go to the garage for the cords and rope. Another thing that is bugging me...why no suicide note?

Most people don't leave notes. That's tv and movies making us think that is the norm.
None of the times I attempted suicide, did it even occur to me to leave a note and I have a very close knit family.
People in that frame of mind are not thinking of the questions others will have when they're gone. They just want the pain to stop, to not feel the way the feel when they want to die.

Again, I'm not saying that she couldn't have been murdered. Everything about her death is bizarre; I just haven't seen anything else to convince me that her death was murder over suicide.

I really wish my co-workers would not lurk behind me when I am posting!

 

[CuriousAmazon]

Yes, I most certainly do.

Hmmm, thank you for your insight, I will agree to disagree.

 

[Quester]

8/8 Valeant Makes Approach to Medicis

The approach comes amid an investigation into what authorities described as the unusual death of the girlfriend of Medicis founder and chief executive, [JS]. Since the girlfriend's death at Mr. Shacknai's home in July, Medicis shares have underperformed the broader market, leaving the company vulnerable to a takeover approach, said people familiar with the matter.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904480904576496293954276376.html

 

[SDT]

Thank you for sharing your personal insight. I have never personally tried to commit suicide so I really don't understand the frame of mind.

I guess I was thinking back to how anguished Melinda Duckett was over the disappearance of her son and the grilling she took from the media. I think she wrote at least 4 notes???

Again, I do sincerely appreciate you sharing your personal experiences.

 

[Silkprint]

The only time I have read of someone nude commiting suicide is when they do it in the bathtub .
This whole thing is a tragedy

 

[4Jacy]

Lol, you don't have to agree with me.
That's the great thing about this board.
We're all allowed to assert our theories and as I've said before, nothing says murder to me. I see nothing more than a set of horribly tragic events.

I will be the first one to admit if I'm wrong, because lord knows, I've been wrong about a lot of stuff in my life. I just don't think Rebecca was murdered.

BBM
First, I wasn't apologizing for not agreeing with you. It was a statement. Also, I've been here long enough to know that we are permitted to assert our theories.

None of us know what happened, but the family dynamics are very strong, and I really sense violence.

It really proves, to all of us, we can never predict what will happen next in our daily lives. God bless poor little Maxie.

 

[Quester]

For anyone interested in listening to the Medicis conference call/webcast, here is a link along with directions. Call starts @ 5:15pm EST and according to a link posted earlier, it is expected that Jonah Shacknai will lead the call. It will be interesting to see what, if any, comment he will make regarding the deaths of MS & RN. If you miss the call @ 5:15,the webcast will stay posted on the Medicis web site for 10 days.

http://www.globenewswire.com/newsarchive/mrx/pages/news_releases.html?d=228548

Re-posting StJohn's post for those interested.

Medicis conference call starts in approximately one hour from this posting.

 

[Dushi]

The thing is, if it were suicide, it would be out of great remorse.
Wouldn't she want to express that remorse?
Tell him how sorry she was for whatever happened to Max.
Because, if suicide, she would have felt guilty , responsible

 

[Evan's Mom]

BBM
First, I wasn't apologizing for not agreeing with you. It was a statement. Also, I've been here long enough to know that we are permitted to assert our theories.

None of us know what happened, but the family dynamics are very strong, and I really sense violence.

It really proves, to all of us, we can never predict what will happen next in our daily lives. God bless poor little Maxie.

Why would you assume I thought you were apologizing to me for having an opinion on a case we both are following?
I clearly understood your statement, but wanted to make sure I didn't come across as combative because I have a different opinion about Rebecca's death. That does tend to happen sometimes.

And you are right, none of us knows what will come next in our daily lives.
I truly hope this family can eventually recover some sense of normality after going through such a traumatic time in their lives.

 

[Quester]

8/8 Medicis Reports Second Quarter 2011 Results
Company Announces Stock Repurchase Plan Up to $200 Million

http://www.globenewswire.com/newsroom/news.html?d=228823

 

[jjenny]

Yes, I most certainly do.

I don't know their reasons why, but I've read many suicide stories where the person was reported nude when they were found.
I can't get into Rececca's head at this point, but I can only assume she wanted to leave the world the same way she came in or that by shedding her clothing, she was shedding her life and everything in it.
Coming from someone who has attempted suicide more than once in her youth, it's impossible for a normal and sane person to get inside the mind of someone mentally ill, no matter how hard you try. At my age now, I can't get inside my own head to understand why I felt compelled to do what I did.

Here is an example: I've had two friends(unrelated suicides) in my life that witnessed the suicide of their fathers. In both circumstances, the father was in one room and called the daughter to "come here". The minute they walked in the room, he shot himself in the head.
Now, who in the H E double hockey sticks does that?
I can't understand why a parent would want their child to witness their suicide? Can you? Nothing in my mind will let me go there. I just can't fathom it, but it does happen. Twice that I personally know of.

Oceanblueeyes related a personal story that had very similar circumstances to Rebecca's. It does happen.
Like I said, we can't understand why someone would do such a thing, but we're not dealing with a mental anguish of that magnitude either. We're sane and mentally stable, for the most part.

Well, as far as I can tell, RN does not have a history of mental illness or history of suicide attempts. And at least publicly, nobody who knew her had come forward to state she was suicidal or depressed. So based on this "victimology" I don't think she would be a prime candidate to commit suicide in such a bizarre way.

 

[Pach]

Assuming it was suicide, I still cant figure out why she would go nude then commit suicide. whats the point ? if the reason for suicide was remorse or guilt, will stripping nude lessen her guilt ? does not make sense to me. on the contrary, stripping nude just violates the supposed "sanctity" or "nobility" of commiting hara-kiri or suicide to uphold her honor. it just makes the whole thing disrespectful to the kid.

her being tied up in the nude reminds me of animals tied-up being readied for slaughter or delivery to the market(as in the olden days)

anyway, i invite everyone to go to a hardware store and try tying their hands with those orange electrical cord or maybe ask a handsome/pretty salesperson there to tie you and observe their difficulty with handling the orange electrical cord as well as their excitement(or worry).

I dont why some people try to make their life complicated even when they are about to kill themselves. there are much simpler ways of ending one's life.

 

[Quester]

RE: Medicis conf call

Paraphrasing - JS opened giving his personal note of appreciation to outpouring of expressions of sympathy and his appreciation as "they are all so meaningful". Said he has been spending alot of time with the kids, waiting for school to begin which is soon.

He also expressed thanks and confidence in his executive team for their work in his absence. JS expects to be back to a full schedule soon (once school is back in session).

All in all a relatively predictable, sterile, business-like series of statements to say I'm OK therefore the business is OK. Then he went on to business issues ...

 

[Bonepile]

Assuming it was suicide, I still cant figure out why she would go nude then commit suicide. whats the point ? ... her being tied up in the nude reminds me of animals tied-up being readied for slaughter or delivery to the market(as in the olden days) ... I dont why some people try to make their life complicated even when they are about to kill themselves. there are much simpler ways of ending one's life.

Eleven years ago a fellow I worked with hung himself at work. He was the first to arrive and I was the second to find him. After I went and threw up I observed he was hanging in a stairwell nude with his hands tied in front (with rope) and his feet tied and he had simply stepped off the top step sideways and there he was. The ME who is a personal friend of mine said then that suicide in the nude is often seen, but he could not give me a reason, and when I talked again with him several weeks ago his opinion had not changed nor had he come up with an explanation.

I do know that the fellow at work had been upset for days prior and then three days prior was so calm and laughing and spending time visiting with acquaintances and saying amazingly nice and positive things and when we assembled for his memorial service each one of us expressed how positive he was, and how we missed that emotional change in him as if we could have done anything about it. So if Rebecca talking to her sister at midnight seemed OK and talking with the dog service seemed subdued by OK who knows what lurks in the mind that triggers such action.

Do I believe that Rebecca's death was suicide? .. NO .. do I know how to prove it was not? .. NO again.

It has taken me a very long time to talk about all this much less write about it. Thanks for reading.

 

[Quester]

8/8 Shacknai Discusses Deaths of Loved Ones During Earnings Call

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/shacknai-participates-in-companys-earnings-call-2

 

[oceanblueeyes]

BBM

I don't agree, Evan's Mom. We don't know what happened yet. Suppose Maxie, GS and Rebecca (along with the dog,) were all together and RN went to answer the phone and it was JS. At that moment would JS blame RN, or would he think, 'if I had only called later RN could have been supervising them.' There are many scenarios that could have taken place. Besides which, who watches their six year old every second. Yes, you stay in the same area where they are, but you can't be there constantly.

Also, RN was know to be a nice, sweet, religious woman. There is no way I believe she would do this, especially naked (I believe it would be shameful to her.) And, if she felt she was in some way truly responsible, I believe she was the type of woman who would write a note, not just to JS, but to DS and the rest of the family as well.

All that being said, I predict this will be another dead end case. JS has plenty of money, already has the best PR firm around (either through his company or personally, it doesn't matter,) and he and his shareholders have too much to lose.

To me it screams murder. I'm not sure who yet, and there are alot of suspects, but I'm thinking 1. JS, 2, AS, 3. DS, in that order. We need to know when AS told his landlord he was going back to his tug, did he go to the hospital, did he attend either funeral, and what actual help he was to his brother?

Maybe she did feel ashamed. Although nakedness can also mean that the suicide victim goes out as they came into this world.

I don't discount that it was a suicide. LE plainly told the media that there have been other documented cases of someone being nude and tying their hands behind their back and binding their feet before they hung themselves. So to me if the ME determines it to be a suicide I will accept what the medical professional determines.

If it is not deemed a suicide and is a homicide instead I will also accept that MOD by the ME.

I also have no reason to believe a homicide will be swept under the rug by the San Diego PD.

So I patiently await the determination of the ME.

IMO

 

[MyBelle]

Well, as far as I can tell, RN does not have a history of mental illness or history of suicide attempts. And at least publicly, nobody who knew her had come forward to state she was suicidal or depressed. So based on this "victimology" I don't think she would be a prime candidate to commit suicide in such a bizarre way.

She didn't need to have a history of mental illness. The emotional turmoil that triggers suicide doesn't have to be chronic, it can be acute brought on by an event such as the death of a loved one or death of a relationship. In this case, it may be both. I'm of the opinion if Rebecca did commit suicide it was because JS ended their relationship.

 

[Quester]

8/8 Medicis CEO Plans Return To Normal Schedule In Coming Weeks

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110808-719848.html

 

[CuriousAmazon]

Quester, :gthanks:

:yourock:

8/8 Medicis CEO Plans Return To Normal Schedule In Coming Weeks

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110808-719848.html