Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #5

[pferrin]

I havent heard anything to validate that AS did hear anything. If he did..why not check it out ...unless you already know what is going on. IMO

 

[arielilane]

I don't think AS is involved, however, the music not affecting him concerns me.

 

[arielilane]

On Tuesday night, reports claimed there was a party at Spreckels mansion. The same evening, Rebecca spoke to her sister. On Wednesday morning, Jonah Shacknai’s brother Adam was staying in the guest house. He was the only person in the residence besides Nalepa.

http://news.lalate.com/category/rebecca-zahau/

There appears to be a lot of misinformation or information not verified; which is expected.

 

[scorekeeper]

The Coronado police have tentatively labeled the boy's death accidental. Investigators initially said they had found no connection between the two deaths, but this week, a Sheriff's detective said they might be related. He refused to elaborate

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/ks...s-probe-mansion-death-20110720,0,653823.story

BBM

Must have missed this. Sorry if already posted. From article in July.

 

[pferrin]

Yep there was a rumor of loud noise and some said party..police said no party. Loud music can cover up criminal activity..and has many times. Now who would be comfortable with having loud music going..My guess would be the homeowner.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I can only give you my opinions/theories/reasons....LOL

Yes, at first I was leaning toward DS due to anger.

Then got to looking closer at crime scene pictures...You really have to read back thru the thread......

Then I got to thinking that JS would want to "protect/control" GS. GS and RN knew what really happened to Maxie. He may have blamed RN or maybe she threatened to tell what really happened.

Then I got to thinking if JS was involved so was AS. AS either involved in the crime and/or cover up. Blood is thicker than water.

So, I have come full circle on the potential peep(s). I think AS knows what happened either way (meaning D'S or J'S as the peep).

My mind wonders when there is no information released from LE.

But one thing that has not wavered with me is, I truly believe it was a homicide.

so, please excuse my craziness :crazy::waitasec::crazy::waitasec:

I don't see any craziness, Score!:floorlaugh:

Its actually a pretty good theory and quite plausible.

So you think he harmed Max? Sorry I don't understand......why wouldn't he want RN to tell the truth about the accident?:waitasec: He wasnt even there at the time it happened.

I sure wish I had a down pat theory of what happened in this case. By now I am usually leaning one way or the other. Still riding that lonely fence on this one which is quite unusual for me.:fence: Just don't feel comfortable calling it a homicide or a suicide yet. Something just keeps telling me to wait. Could be a homicide though.......that is a given but I just don't see this as an undoable suicide like most do. I think she could have accomplished this all by herself if she was hell bent on doing it. I sure dont think it was made out to be a fake suicide. It is either a real suicide or a downright murder that looks exactly like a murder. I just dont believe it was staged to look like a suicide.

Bonepile's images are great but they are just small snippets in time. I just think we have to know what the entire scene entailed when LE did their full investigation there. All we can do is try to piece it together without very little facts to use when doing so imo.

I really cant see Adam being in some conspiracy with his brother.

But in the end maybe some of the great posters here...including you Score... will have gotten it correct.

As for me........I am gonna just hang back and wait on this one.

IMO

 

[CuriousAmazon]

:bedtime:

:sleep:

 

[pferrin]

The Coronado police have tentatively labeled the boy's death accidental. Investigators initially said they had found no connection between the two deaths, but this week, a Sheriff's detective said they might be related. He refused to elaborate

http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/ks...s-probe-mansion-death-20110720,0,653823.story

BBM

Must have missed this. Sorry if already posted. From article in July.

I thought I had heard this or read it..Am so glad they are looking at the entire picture. I do feel that it is all tied together. I feel that Max's accident was the catalyst for Rebecca's murder.IMO

 

[time]

BBM - exactly what one would expect from a Narcissist. He always looks like the good guy, and it would make him look bad if he 1. didn't show up to her funeral 2. if he was with someone who let his child die while babysitting, so of course in public it was an accident (which it probably was). 3. he was 'going to' propose, please he had 2 years to do that.

<respectfully snipped>

I agree with the part I snipped out. I think there are a couple of things to add to the possible narcissist thing - somewhere it was implied (by PR firm?) that he was planning two funerals. I doubt he planned Rebecca's? I have to wonder why Rebecca's family wasn't contacted - kind of begs the question why since they were not married. Did someone say there was no need? Didn't give police their contact numbers? Say they weren't close?

I had another point, but lost it!

 

[scorekeeper]

I don't see any craziness, Score!:floorlaugh:

Its actually a pretty good theory and quite plausible.

So you think he harmed Max? Sorry I don't understand......why wouldn't he want RN to tell the truth about the accident?:waitasec: He wasnt even there at the time it happened.

snipped..

No, no, no......i don't think JS harmed Maxie. I believe that GS and RN was there when the "incident/accident" happened. I think Maxie fell from the top balcony and JS knows what really happened that day. He can keep GS from talking. He cannot keep RN quiet...well I guess he did quiet her...

He will protect GS til the end (I'm not saying she was involved but knows what happened).

the dog was boarded. hard to quiet a barking dog without shooting him. I think RN was going to tell the truth (whatever that may be) about what happened to Maxie.......

 

[nanny2five]

i am still on the fence. i think we can all see how someone in that situation might commit suicide, but the way it was done is not right. maybe she tied the rope inside, letting it trial down under the rail of the balcony. and thats where i run into a wall on suicide. the next thing would be to go outside naked, tie herself up with orange electric cords (well shown in the color enhanced pics that Bonepile posted up thread) then somehow with hands and feet bound, get herself up onto the table in order to jump off or kick it from under her. and btw, how and when did the table leg get broken?

 

[time]

I'm still leaning towards some DS/JS collusion ... I know, but I think I tried to explain this once and not sure I can really explain it well.

 

[Bonepile]

and I still do not see how RS did all of this in the relative darkness of night.

(bedtime now .. see all of you here tomorrow .. night now)

 

[scorekeeper]

ullhair:

I now have realized why I am having such a "time" with the case.

This is the first "homicide or suicide" case I have sleuthed.

I have always followed "missing" persons cases. Always a "slim" change they will walk back thru that door, but here MS nor RN is not coming back.

with that, I say, Nite, y'all.

Will be gone most of the day tomorrow...brother have shoulder surgery

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Well folks, I'm heading out on a trip tomorrow for nearly two weeks, during which I will have extremely limited Web access.

So I hope if I do get to check in, or when I come back, there will be REAL news.

Thanks to all my fellow sleuthers for making this such a great online community.

:blowkiss:

One final thought: IMO Max's death was definitely, in some way, the catalyst for Rebecca's. I won't go so far as to say I don't believe in coincidences, but I am quite skeptical of them in certain circumstances. Such as this one.

Good night and goodbye for now. :wave:

 

[Inobu]

I had to come back and glad I did.

Bonepile that's the images I saw one time and they disappeared. I could not find them anywhere. I looked for a day or so. Good find!

Hey if you can't find what you need go to the bonepile.

The is where the assailant(s) screwed up.

Look at the position of the head. If AS carried her from the balcony her head would be closer to the table at the opposite angle. Envision a man carrying a women. His right arm under her knees, left arm supporting the head/shoulders. Even if he walked backward the cord would have trailed from the balcony instead of the right.

Looking at the image
His path would have been upper left to lower right. Her head and feet angled in the other direction. In all actuality he carried her from upper right of the picture to lower left direction and the cord drug behind.

That cord is saying we came from over there.

The table forced the deviation in the path onto the grass. The knees are apart and should have fell together indicating AS put her down post RM.

His account is not accurate with the visual evidence in the scene.

The rope on the lower rung or below the balcony rung does not make sense.
If she hung her self she would have had to jump directly into the wall

That is why I have been claiming "staged scene" since the beginning.

This case is about all the wrong personalities clashing together and causing a train wreck.

Now that I could see the image again up it to 93%

Oh,
I don't think EMT touched her. she was in RM and they saw it. If not they would have position her body to stabilize her.... being that we see her in that position I don't think they touch her. Look at how far everything is from her. I would guess they did a visual and backed off.

This is one thing I'll say you may hear some deep stories that may sway your opinions. I'll rate that comment at about 70% possibility.

One thing for sure all of you guys are resourceful.

Inobu

 

[10-6Mom]

Well folks, I'm heading out on a trip tomorrow for nearly two weeks,

Happy Travels! Be Safe!
:seeya:

 

[Carpe Pacem]

Inobu ~

I appreciate your logical approach very much. Also, your idea that the brother was aware of what happened and participated in a staging makes sense to me.

What a sad and sorry story this is.

 

[CuriousAmazon]

I had to come back and glad I did.

Inobu

Welcome back Inobu! Glad to see you here :great:. Hopefully we have some leaks today, this no news is not doing me any good lol!

 

[4Jacy]

So, who would he be most likely to try and place blame on? His brother? Ex wife? Daughter? Rebecca herself?

I say he would never (even if there was any tiny shread of proof), blame his daughter. That leaves three other people. Disturbing theory for sure!

And the dog. These type of dogs have lots of energy and he was still a puppy. Perhaps the dog charged (playfully) at Maxie and Maxie fell down the stairs. Perhaps that is why RN kennelled him. We just don't know yet.