Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #5

[MizStery]

I can only leave you with this.............

You cannot have darkness in light

and all people express the emotion in different manners it is up to the ones who care to learn and know their means of expression.

I always look forward to reading your point of view. Thanks for taking time to share your analysis with us. :smile:

 

[obmama]

I am not willing to believe that RN was that different than you or I ..what would we do?

What was my mindset when I thought I had finally found Mr. Right?..what if his child had a horrible accident in the home? Would I want to stay around to help the love of my life thru incredible challenge or would I hang my naked butt off the balcony for his brother to find?

Yes I do know that someone who wants to commit suicide doesnt have the most logical thinking..I have also read that alot of folks that commit suicide naked are in a mental health ward..their hands and feet are not tied.

Even if Mr. Right was furious at me ..I would try to help...If he wanted me to leave I would.

We cant ever know what anyone is thinking..in the same token I cant put myself as being that different than them.

But, RN was different than the average American woman. Her culture and the places she lived 2/3 of her beginning life, and the last two years at the end of her life, are complex.

If he wanted her to leave, where would she go? Back to who she was at Macy's? If it is a fact that a proposal was looming, her future was looking mighty attractive.

Even if marriage didn't work out, she'd be financially set for the rest of her life, to live in a style she'd grown accustomed to. Her ex said she changed, she wanted a life of luxury. JS's wealth is in the upper echelon, and it was an immense upgrade for her, both monetarily and socially. Loss of that lifestyle would be comparable to you and me going from comfortable to homeless.

My first instinct was he "snapped" and told her to leave, then she "snapped" when she realized life was over, as she knew it. And, this is the focus of LE's investigation. Her frame of mind since Max's accident.

They've boiled it down to suicide or homicide (brilliant!), and the communications between the main players is crucial. Bags of evidence were carried from the mansion, and I'm sure there's no lack of technology in these people's lives. Phone and computer records will recreate contact information, and identify Internet searches.

At this point, all we know is something very bad happened between the time of MS's accident and JN's death. That these people are so far out of our league, makes it fascinating and mind-boggling. I sense that some people reject the suicide theory, because homicide is more entertaining.

 

[justice be served]

But, RN was different than the average American woman. Her culture and the places she lived 2/3 of her beginning life, and the last two years at the end of her life, are complex.

If he wanted her to leave, where would she go? Back to who she was at Macy's? If it is a fact that a proposal was looming, her future was looking mighty attractive.

Even if marriage didn't work out, she'd be financially set for the rest of her life, to live in a style she'd grown accustomed to. Her ex said she changed, she wanted a life of luxury. JS's wealth is in the upper echelon, and it was an immense upgrade for her, both monetarily and socially. Loss of that lifestyle would be comparable to you and me going from comfortable to homeless.

My first instinct was he "snapped" and told her to leave, then she "snapped" when she realized life was over, as she knew it. And, this is the focus of LE's investigation. Her frame of mind since Max's accident.

They've boiled it down to suicide or homicide (brilliant!), and the communications between the main players is crucial. Bags of evidence were carried from the mansion, and I'm sure there's no lack of technology in these people's lives. Phone and computer records will recreate contact information, and identify Internet searches.

At this point, all we know is something very bad happened between the time of MS's accident and JN's death. That these people are so far out of our league, makes it fascinating and mind-boggling. I sense that some people reject the suicide theory, because homicide is more entertaining.

Wow, Bonepile, very well said. I'm going to put myself in her world as I sleep tonight, and ponder that one. Thank you for sharing your wise thoughts!

 

[justice be served]

Wow, Bonepile, very well said. I'm going to put myself in her world as I sleep tonight, and ponder that one. Thank you for sharing your wise thoughts!

Sorry OBMama - not Bonepile --my mistake. BTW, I also saw your insights on another blog. Well done all around.

 

[defense101]

But, RN was different than the average American woman. Her culture and the places she lived 2/3 of her beginning life, and the last two years at the end of her life, are complex.

If he wanted her to leave, where would she go? Back to who she was at Macy's? If it is a fact that a proposal was looming, her future was looking mighty attractive.

Even if marriage didn't work out, she'd be financially set for the rest of her life, to live in a style she'd grown accustomed to. Her ex said she changed, she wanted a life of luxury. JS's wealth is in the upper echelon, and it was an immense upgrade for her, both monetarily and socially. Loss of that lifestyle would be comparable to you and me going from comfortable to homeless.

My first instinct was he "snapped" and told her to leave, then she "snapped" when she realized life was over, as she knew it. And, this is the focus of LE's investigation. Her frame of mind since Max's accident.

They've boiled it down to suicide or homicide (brilliant!), and the communications between the main players is crucial. Bags of evidence were carried from the mansion, and I'm sure there's no lack of technology in these people's lives. Phone and computer records will recreate contact information, and identify Internet searches.

At this point, all we know is something very bad happened between the time of MS's accident and JN's death. That these people are so far out of our league, makes it fascinating and mind-boggling. I sense that some people reject the suicide theory, because homicide is more entertaining.

I reject the suicide theory because of what I have deduced on my own through careful analysis and discussion with other posters, not because I find homicide more entertaining.

 

[jjenny]

While homicide might be more "entertaining" I am frankly suspicious because police sometimes are too quick declare a case a suicide when in fact it is homicide. Anyone followed Joyce Chiang's case? Police claimed that was suicide at first, but now they admit it was homicide.

 

[obmama]

So, I went on a field trip to Coronado this morning. It was low tide, I've never seen so many sand dollars in my life. But they were purple (still alive), and it's a no-no to pick up living beach creatures.

After the beach walk, we headed for the "hood", covering several blocks and looking for a close-up of "the mansion." It's a "shack", in comparison to most other homes in the neighborhood. Really. I recognized a guy, walking his dog, from a media interview, and said "I saw you on TV!" He looked confused, then nodded, and just said "oh, yeah." I guess the community just wants things back to normal.

The house is unimpressive. the hedges and flowers along the front walk are no longer. All the blinds were drawn, no visible security, my friend wanted to walk up the driveway and have a lookie, but I'm not that bold! I was hoping to get a view of the courtyard from the street behind, but didn't see anything and we were winding down. I think I'll go back with binoculars next time. And, I'll look for Dina's place.

 

[StJohn]

But, RN was different than the average American woman. Her culture and the places she lived 2/3 of her beginning life, and the last two years at the end of her life, are complex.

If he wanted her to leave, where would she go? Back to who she was at Macy's? If it is a fact that a proposal was looming, her future was looking mighty attractive.

Even if marriage didn't work out, she'd be financially set for the rest of her life, to live in a style she'd grown accustomed to. Her ex said she changed, she wanted a life of luxury. JS's wealth is in the upper echelon, and it was an immense upgrade for her, both monetarily and socially. Loss of that lifestyle would be comparable to you and me going from comfortable to homeless.

My first instinct was he "snapped" and told her to leave, then she "snapped" when she realized life was over, as she knew it. And, this is the focus of LE's investigation. Her frame of mind since Max's accident.

They've boiled it down to suicide or homicide (brilliant!), and the communications between the main players is crucial. Bags of evidence were carried from the mansion, and I'm sure there's no lack of technology in these people's lives. Phone and computer records will recreate contact information, and identify Internet searches.

At this point, all we know is something very bad happened between the time of MS's accident and JN's death. That these people are so far out of our league, makes it fascinating and mind-boggling. I sense that some people reject the suicide theory, because homicide is more entertaining.

I agree with everything you have said here. In addition, LE already know whether or not they can rule out foul play by JS and/or DS, based on hospital video and interviews with hospital personnel. They probably know time of death, based on autopsy & RN's last conversation with her sister. They may have fingerprint evidence from the bindings. As outsiders on the investigation, there is very little that we know, so all we can do is speculate.

And, Obmama, your point about RN's frame of mind is spot on. She may have been devastated, thinking that if the MRI on Wed confirmed Max to be brain dead, she was about to lose everything she dreamed of. As for the statement by RN's sister that RN would never commit suicide, no family member ever wants to believe that someone they love would do such a thing. Having experienced the shock of losing a loved one to suicide myself, I know what it means to be in denial about what a family member is capable of doing.

 

[obmama]

I reject the suicide theory because of what I have deduced on my own through careful analysis and discussion with other posters, not because I find homicide more entertaining.

Sorry, I was referring to the general public, who know far less than all of us web sleuths. This story generated lots of activity on signonsandiego's comment board. I was feeling both that aspect, and the envy factor, with total lack of compassion for the families that suffered a tremendous loss.

Didn't mean to offend anyone here.

 

[jjenny]

I agree with everything you have said here. In addition, LE already know whether or not they can rule out foul play by JS and/or DS, based on hospital video and interviews with hospital personnel. They probably know time of death, based on autopsy & RN's last conversation with her sister. They may have fingerprint evidence from the bindings. As outsiders on the investigation, there is very little that we know, so all we can do is speculate.

And, Obmama, your point about RN's frame of mind is spot on. She may have been devastated, thinking that if the MRI on Wed confirmed Max to be brain dead, she was about to lose everything she dreamed of. As for the statement by RN's sister that RN would never commit suicide, no family member ever wants to believe that someone they love would do such a thing. Having experienced the shock of losing a loved one to suicide myself, I know what it means to be in denial about what a family member is capable of doing.

Then why didn't she at least wait until Wednesday for an MRI? I mean, what's the rush there?

 

[obmama]

While homicide might be more "entertaining" I am frankly suspicious because police sometimes are too quick declare a case a suicide when in fact it is homicide. Anyone followed Joyce Chiang's case? Police claimed that was suicide at first, but now they admit it was homicide.

Sorry, I was referring to the general public, who know far less than all of us web sleuths. This story generated lots of activity on signonsandiego's comment board. I was feeling both that aspect, and the envy factor, with total lack of compassion for the families that suffered a tremendous loss.

Didn't mean to offend anyone here.

 

[Paladine]

My cousin committed suicide and she called her mother and told her she was going to do it. It still left us all devastated and to this day wondering why.

My old babysitter committed suicide when she was 18 or so...still babysitting. I remember she'd lock us in a dark shed, I was 4 or so, I can't recall why or for how long but it was mean, imo, exhibiting anger...she didn't babysit for long; I told my Mom.

SHE used a gun. To the head. No note. I always thought about the gun, my Mom and Aunt described the mess it left...so sad...18 and dead.

 

[obmama]

As for the statement by RN's sister that RN would never commit suicide, no family member ever wants to believe that someone they love would do such a thing. Having experienced the shock of losing a loved one to suicide myself, I know what it means to be in denial about what a family member is capable of doing.

I saw a lot of denial there. I mean, who would be "normal, fine" the day after MS's accident? It would have been more believable if she said, "devastated, but my sister is strong."

Or, maybe RN acted "normal, fine", to throw off the suicide theory, and it was a "staged homicide". I just don't understand why a murderer would make it look like homicide. If there were no bindings, and she was clothed, we probably wouldn't even be here!

 

[defense101]

Sorry, I was referring to the general public, who know far less than all of us web sleuths. This story generated lots of activity on signonsandiego's comment board. I was feeling both that aspect, and the envy factor, with total lack of compassion for the families that suffered a tremendous loss.

Didn't mean to offend anyone here.

No offense taken, I just thought to explain myself. I did go read the signonsandiego comment board after it was mentioned, I understand where you were coming from, I didn't much care for the discussion there.

 

[jjenny]

I saw a lot of denial there. I mean, who would be "normal, fine" the day after MS's accident? It would have been more believable if she said, "devastated, but my sister is strong."

Or, maybe RN acted "normal, fine", to throw off the suicide theory, and it was a "staged homicide". I just don't understand why a murderer would make it look like homicide. If there were no bindings, and she was clothed, we probably wouldn't even be here!

Well I can't figure out as to why someone would stage their suicide in such a way either. Most naked suicides occur inside. Why bind hands and feet with an electrical cord? And the child wasn't even dead yet. What's the rush?

 

[pferrin]

obmama.. I think most here have done more than the average as far as studying this case. We have studied suicides..hangings..position of body..weather that day. Rigor timelines..etc etc.

While some would be more entertained at the thought of homicide..not sure who they are..we just study the cases and form an opinion.

My opinion is homicide..because of hours of studying all info given. Would I rather it be homicide than suicide? NO I'd rather Maxie hadnt fallen and Rebecca was still alive.

All of this being said..I'll just go back to sleuthing and reading..thats why I am on this site. All of this is IMO

 

[StJohn]

Then why didn't she at least wait until Wednesday for an MRI? I mean, what's the rush there?

That's a good question. I suspect that the family had already been told that Max was brain dead. An MRI isn't necessary to confirm brain death, there are other tests to confirm that are easier to perform on a child in the ICU. My guess is that JS & DS pushed for additional confirmation, not wanting to accept the inevitable. RN may have already accepted the truth, and she knew that it was only a matter of time before JS did so.

 

[Paladine]

But, RN was different than the average American woman. Her culture and the places she lived 2/3 of her beginning life, and the last two years at the end of her life, are complex.

If he wanted her to leave, where would she go? Back to who she was at Macy's? If it is a fact that a proposal was looming, her future was looking mighty attractive.

Even if marriage didn't work out, she'd be financially set for the rest of her life, to live in a style she'd grown accustomed to. Her ex said she changed, she wanted a life of luxury. JS's wealth is in the upper echelon, and it was an immense upgrade for her, both monetarily and socially. Loss of that lifestyle would be comparable to you and me going from comfortable to homeless.

My first instinct was he "snapped" and told her to leave, then she "snapped" when she realized life was over, as she knew it. And, this is the focus of LE's investigation. Her frame of mind since Max's accident.

They've boiled it down to suicide or homicide (brilliant!), and the communications between the main players is crucial. Bags of evidence were carried from the mansion, and I'm sure there's no lack of technology in these people's lives. Phone and computer records will recreate contact information, and identify Internet searches.

At this point, all we know is something very bad happened between the time of MS's accident and JN's death. That these people are so far out of our league, makes it fascinating and mind-boggling. I sense that some people reject the suicide theory, because homicide is more entertaining.

Back to her sister or family, perhaps? Back to her job? She did exisit before Jonah...IMO.

Rebecca was a Chin that came from Burma, which was referenced in her death/funeral notices...(links posted earlier).

IMO, if Rebecca could endure THIS, I think with her looks and education she could handle the end of the 2-3 yr relationship with Jonah, hardship makes us stronger, imo:

The new-found democracy of Chin State ended abruptly in 1962 with the onset of the military rule of General Ne Win in Burma (Center for Applied Linguistics, 2007). Ne Win remained in power until 1988 when nationwide protests against military rule erupted. These uprisings, commonly known as the 8-8-88 because of the date on which they occurred, were met by an outburst of violence by the military government. The violent government response killed approximately 3,000 people in just a matter of weeks and imprisoned many more (Human Rights Watch, 2009).

http://ethnomed.org/culture/chin/chin-cultural-profile

And I NEVER take for gospel what the EX, any EX, says...it can be sorta KC-ish...sprinkled with grains, small grains, of truth...I need more than his word to buy that.

Take it for what its worth, I have no link ...but I was with a very wealthy man and left, after 6 yrs, with nothing but what I brought or bought myself. I was with him cause I loved him, and left when I didn't, he was older and it was love; sometimes it is love, imo...Now, no, my sheets aren't as soft and silky and my spending sprees have halted ..but, man, my heart is free. I was with a controlling, powerful person...it is SO nice to be free. I've seen no proof that Rebecca would be any different. I've seen no proof she was a 'status-seeker', I haven't even read any posted rumor, here...I think many women choose leaving and self-respect over money every day...some don't...but some do.

Over the few years I've been here, I have seen theories and ideas posted here, that aren't picked up or covered by the MSM and their so-called experts, (Probation and Parole re; KC case, comes to mind) till months later...

I don't find homicide entertaining; I find it angering, it pizzes me off, badly....and those that post here, may I venture to say, do so out of a concern for victims with no voice...or a voice drowned out by an injustice of some kind, IMO...others, just like to help and it IS appreciated. The old saying, "Be a part of the solution or you're part of the problem", comes to mind...

 

[Inobu]

"Suicide is something that builds up in a persons mind. The persons will deteriorates to a point where they feel there is no alternative but death. Based on the accounts and her action she was not in that state. The sister validates in her call that all seemed ok."

Let me preface this statement.

Self preservation is the strongest drive in human nature it is innate. All suicides reaches a point where an individual will defy this natural instinct. Because of this suicide is a process. The process is the same but it is the driver of the emotion that differs from person to person.

It is my opinion that the sister has more insight to RN than all of us. I would say that their culture may differ and their knowledge of their own siblings supersedes ours, if you think you know more than her sister go right ahead. I choose to place more merit with the sister and will continue until I see other wise.

Inobu

 

[StJohn]

Well I can't figure out as to why someone would stage their suicide in such a way either. Most naked suicides occur inside. Why bind hands and feet with an electrical cord? And the child wasn't even dead yet. What's the rush?

Before responding, I want to say that I think most of the opinions posted on here that are based on known facts seem plausible to me. I am thankful for the open discussion, it helps us all to exercise our critical thinking skills. So I am not trying to defend my own conclusions, just explain them.

As for your first 2 questions, we don't know the state of the relationship between JS & RN after this accident. Was JS treating her badly? Did JS and/or DS make her feel responsible or unwelcome at the hospital? If so, and if RN had concluded the relationship was over, what better way to humiliate the CEO of a large corporation than to take yourself out in the nude, in the courtyard of his big mansion for all the world to see? Maybe even make it look like murder to complicate his life?

As for the child not dead yet, in the field of medicine, brain death is considered death. When a patient has been certified brain dead, doctors are within their rights to go ahead and disconnect that patient from life support. Ethically, though, they ususally won't do that to allow time for the family to reach acceptance. Also, they may keep the patient on life support so organs can be harvested.