Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #5

[jstwondering]

Then why didn't she at least wait until Wednesday for an MRI? I mean, what's the rush there?

First off, I don't think it was suicide, but for those that do, the answer to "what's the rush" could be that JS called her and mandated for her to be out of the house by morning... or the guilt could have been tremendous and she couldn't live with it for one second more.

 

[WestCoastLady]

Obmama, we made a trip to Coronado tonight! It's so beautiful there and we, too, saw a ton of live sand dollars

The house isn't all that impressive when you look at what's around it....but I'd still love to live in Coronado....even in the gardener's shack of one of those mega-mansions that look out on the Pacific. (a girl can dream, right?)

 

[Paladine]

Before responding, I want to say that I think most of the opinions posted on here that are based on known facts seem plausible to me. I am thankful for the open discussion, it helps us all to exercise our critical thinking skills. So I am not trying to defend my own conclusions, just explain them.

As for your first 2 questions, we don't know the state of the relationship between JS & RN after this accident. Was JS treating her badly? Did JS and/or DS make her feel responsible or unwelcome at the hospital? If so, and if RN had concluded the relationship was over, what better way to humiliate the CEO of a large corporation than to take yourself out in the nude, in the courtyard of his big mansion for all the world to see? Maybe even make it look like murder to complicate his life?
As for the child not dead yet, in the field of medicine, brain death is considered death. When a patient has been certified brain dead, doctors are within their rights to go ahead and disconnect that patient from life support. Ethically, though, they ususally won't do that to allow time for the family to reach acceptance. Also, they may keep the patient on life support so organs can be harvested.

Bolded by me

JUST the way a narcissist would think, imo...

This wasn't a 1st love. This wasn't some green-behind-the-ears woman, imo...I really don't think her sky would cave in over losing Jonah...just my opinion.

Many women lose their children, many women feel guilty, many are 'blamed'...most don't wrap themselves in electrical cord and rope and dangle from balconies...IMO.

 

[StJohn]

Back to her sister or family, perhaps? Back to her job? She did exisit before Jonah...IMO.

Rebecca was a Chin that came from Burma, which was referenced in her death/funeral notices...(links posted earlier).

IMO, if Rebecca could endure THIS, I think with her looks and education she could handle the end of the 2-3 yr relationship with Jonah, hardship makes us stronger, imo:



http://ethnomed.org/culture/chin/chin-cultural-profile

And I NEVER take for gospel what the EX, any EX, says...it can be sorta KC-ish...sprinkled with grains, small grains, of truth...I need more than his word to buy that.

Take it for what its worth, I have no link ...but I was with a very wealthy man and left, after 6 yrs, with nothing but what I brought or bought myself. I was with him cause I loved him, and left when I didn't, he was older and it was love; sometimes it is love, imo...Now, no, my sheets aren't as soft and silky and my spending sprees have halted ..but, man, my heart is free. I was with a controlling, powerful person...it is SO nice to be free. I've seen no proof that Rebecca would be any different. I've seen no proof she was a 'status-seeker', I haven't even read any posted rumor, here...I think many women choose leaving and self-respect over money every day...some don't...but some do.

Over the few years I've been here, I have seen theories and ideas posted here, that aren't picked up or covered by the MSM and their so-called experts, (Probation and Parole re; KC case, comes to mind) till months later...

I don't find homicide entertaining; I find it angering, it pizzes me off, badly....and those that post here, may I venture to say, do so out of a concern for victims with no voice...or a voice drowned out by an injustice of some kind, IMO...others, just like to help and it IS appreciated. The old saying, "Be a part of the solution or you're part of the problem", comes to mind...

But we aren't just talking about the end of a relationship & the cushy lifestyle, we are talking about a child dying from an accident that occurred on her watch. It's the totality of the events that leads me to believe that RN may have been crushed by the weight of it all.

 

[Paladine]

Then why didn't she at least wait until Wednesday for an MRI? I mean, what's the rush there?

Just wait....something will come up...

A summer sale on electrical cord, perhaps?

She was thinking of joining cirque de soliel, it was a practice session?

She was taking down Christmas lights and was accidentally wrapped in the cord...bound and naked?

Oh...I'm tired...my apologies for the display of frustration...time for some Ekhart Tolle. Night, all...

 

[Inobu]

This is like a puzzle go after the big pieces and put them together then put the smaller pieces together until you can form a picture to make a conclusion.

I'll put out a piece that I thought was important that gives us a little insight. Lets build on it.

She told the kennel guy that "Her son" had fell. Why do you think she said "her son and what does it mean?


State your logic and find supporting info. (no opinions)

 

[Paladine]

But we aren't just talking about the end of a relationship & the cushy lifestyle, we are talking about a child dying from an accident that occurred on her watch. It's the totality of the events that leads me to believe that RN may have been crushed by the weight of it all.

My late husband was quadripalegic and I felt he died on my watch....for awhile. Leaving me with 3 small children to raise. But I didn't kill myself.

It's surprising what the human soul can endure....IMO

 

[StJohn]

My late husband was quadripalegic and I felt he died on my watch....for awhile....leaving me with 3 small children to raise. But I didn't kill myself.

It's surprising what the human soul can endure....IMO

And if we all had your strength, there would be no suicides in the world. But the reality is, suicides happen every day, by good folks who feel they have no other way out of their pain. And sometimes, their families never see it coming.

 

[obmama]

After yet another look at RN's body, I have a theory about the blue thing that resembles a scarf. A review of what we know, and how it applies to what we see in the picture . . .

*AS cut RN down.
*LE reported there was a "rope" around her neck and declined to identify what bound her arms and legs, so we can assume it was "other than the rope".
*LE did not seem to know what the rope was tied to in the vicinity of the balcony.
*It looks like orange electrical cord wrapped around her ankles several times, also seen trailing to the side and away from RN's body.
*Table with one broken leg under the balcony.

My theory . . .
*I think AS stood on the table and cut RN down.
*How did the table break? The chair is balanced at the edge of the brick walkway. When AS cut the rope, dead weight fell onto him, moving the table slightly. The leg buckled when it moved from the brick surface into the grass and snapped off.
*When AS cut the "rope", it unraveled and fell to the ground. No remnants of the rope remained tied to the balcony area.
*I think the blue thing around RN's neck is the rope, which cascades to the side, in the same direction as the orange cord hat bound her arms and legs.


Google "marine supplies blue rope" and click images. Blue rope identical to the color of what's around RN's neck. There's a marina in Coronado, not far from the mansion.

 

[Inobu]

While homicide might be more "entertaining" I am frankly suspicious because police sometimes are too quick declare a case a suicide when in fact it is homicide. Anyone followed Joyce Chiang's case? Police claimed that was suicide at first, but now they admit it was homicide.

Words words it is the usage that makes the difference.

Don"t just listen but listen to the words.

While homicide might be more "entertaining" I am frankly suspicious because police sometimes are too quick declare a case a suicide when in fact it is homicide.

I'm listening/reading and understanding. Here is what's being said.

"While homicide might be more "challenging to sleuth" I am frankly suspicious because police sometimes are too quick declare a case a suicide when in fact it is homicide."

Know the person, read what they are saying to understand what they mean.

 

[Stella5]

And if we all had your strength, there would be no suicides in the world. But the reality is, suicides happen every day, by good folks who feel they have no other way out of their pain. And sometimes, their families never see it coming.

I never saw my brother's suicide coming. I too talked to him two days before he was found. He was FINE! Or so it seemed. We talked, joked, laughed and everything with him seemed normal on that Monday. Wednesday Chicago police called to tell me he had been found in a bathtub in a motel (seedy motel too, so not his style!) I denied it then, and even though I really know in my head that he did this to himself, my heart will still deny it and question the what-if's... 4 years later. I still believe it was a suicide. I don't believe JS, DS or AS had anything to do with it and I cannot imagine what pain they are all in over the loss of Maxie first, and then RN. The grief must be unbearable.

At any rate... when this story first broke I was sitting in the waiting room of the Ortho surgeon and remember the police walking around on the balcony off the master bedroom - not the bedroom of the iron balcony where the rope was. Does anyone remember that? I cannot find a picture or video of that anywhere. But I do seem to recall one of LE holding an orange cord up on the balcony. I wonder if that balcony was going to be used at first, but the roof of the lanai was in the way. We really need more info from LE.

 

[jjenny]

Blue thing doesn't look like a rope at all. It has been suggested it could be some sort of neck restraining device paramedics might have wanted to put on her before they realized she was dead. It also resembles a scarf. Does not look like a rope whatsoever. And by the way why would someone that had rope then use electrical cord to bind hands and feet? Cord is hard to work with, as already has been pointed out.

 

[obmama]

She told the kennel guy that "Her son" had fell. Why do you think she said "her son and what does it mean?

State your logic and find supporting info. (no opinions)

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/...ls-victim-less-than-24-hours-before-her-death

The kennel owner pretty much sums it up. She thought of JS's kids as "hers".

“She asked us to come get the dog, because she wanted to get to the hospital to see her child,” Greenberg said. “I understand it’s (her boyfriend's) son, but I guess she thought of him as hers.”

“She called about 4:40 pm,” he said. “She told me about the accident and said that her daughter was also injured.”

 

[jjenny]

And if we all had your strength, there would be no suicides in the world. But the reality is, suicides happen every day, by good folks who feel they have no other way out of their pain. And sometimes, their families never see it coming.

Well just because suicides happen every day, doesn't mean this was a suicide. After all, murders happen every day as well.

 

[jjenny]

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/...ls-victim-less-than-24-hours-before-her-death

The kennel owner pretty much sums it up. She thought of JS's kids as "hers".

“She asked us to come get the dog, because she wanted to get to the hospital to see her child,” Greenberg said. “I understand it’s (her boyfriend's) son, but I guess she thought of him as hers.”

“She called about 4:40 pm,” he said. “She told me about the accident and said that her daughter was also injured.”

The part about "daughter" -I find that particularly intriguing. If the kennel owner got it correctly, then how did the "daughter" (whoever that is) got injured? I mean, we haven't heard nothing about this at all.

 

[Inobu]

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/...ls-victim-less-than-24-hours-before-her-death

The kennel owner pretty much sums it up. She thought of JS's kids as "hers".

“She asked us to come get the dog, because she wanted to get to the hospital to see her child,” Greenberg said. “I understand it’s (her boyfriend's) son, but I guess she thought of him as hers.”

“She called about 4:40 pm,” he said. “She told me about the accident and said that her daughter was also injured.”

Why would she make such a claim and what does it mean?

 

[Inobu]

The part about "daughter" -I find that particularly intriguing. If the kennel owner got it correctly, then how did the "daughter" (whoever that is) got injured? I mean, we haven't heard nothing about this at all.

Remember there was something about two women going in the car. There are a lot of info and pieces scattered around unanswered.

 

[obmama]

Blue thing doesn't look like a rope at all. It has been suggested it could be some sort of neck restraining device paramedics might have wanted to put on her before they realized she was dead. It also resembles a scarf. Does not look like a rope whatsoever. And by the way why would someone that had rope then use electrical cord to bind hands and feet? Cord is hard to work with, as already has been pointed out.

None of the pictures are distinct enough to absolutely identify what's around her legs or neck.

LE identified "rope" around her neck and declined to say what tied her arms and legs, which alludes to a different material than rope was used.
WHY?
Not enough rope to do the job? Too difficult to make a noose, leg and arm bindings, out of one length of material? An unplanned incident that called for making do with available materials?

My theory is based on logic, not a blurry image.
A scarf on a nude body doesn't make sense.
EMT's would not leave equipment behind.
LE has confirmed she hung by a rope around her neck.

It's my opinion, and I think it has merit.

 

[StJohn]

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/...ls-victim-less-than-24-hours-before-her-death

The kennel owner pretty much sums it up. She thought of JS's kids as "hers".

“She asked us to come get the dog, because she wanted to get to the hospital to see her child,” Greenberg said. “I understand it’s (her boyfriend's) son, but I guess she thought of him as hers.”

“She called about 4:40 pm,” he said. “She told me about the accident and said that her daughter was also injured.”

I remember another poster suggesting that RN may have thought the kennel owner would be more apt to respond to her request if it involved an injury to her child. Theory being, if she said "I need to get to the hospital to see my boyfriend's child" he might see the request as less urgent. And she added the part about her daughter being injured to emphasize the urgency.

The truth is, I don't think we have enough information about RN to really know for certain why she called Max her son. Also, I haven't seen anything to indicate that a female child was injured, so the part about the daughter being injured is truly baffling.

 

[jstwondering]

This is like a puzzle go after the big pieces and put them together then put the smaller pieces together until you can form a picture to make a conclusion.

I'll put out a piece that I thought was important that gives us a little insight. Lets build on it.

She told the kennel guy that "Her son" had fell. Why do you think she said "her son and what does it mean?


State your logic and find supporting info. (no opinions)

Do we know whether RN had a noticeable accent?

Warning: Admittedly CRAZY thought on my part!
going with my first theory that an enraged DS was responsible for homicide of RN....could DS have called to get dog picked up so that dog wasn't there when she went to interrogate RN? She'd have every reason to be afraid of dogs since JS supposedly let the other German Shepherd attack her....