Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #5

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  • #241
Do we know whether RN had a noticeable accent?

Warning: Admittedly CRAZY thought on my part!
going with my first theory that an enraged DS was responsible for homicide of RN....could DS have called to get dog picked up so that dog wasn't there when she went to interrogate RN? She'd have every reason to be afraid of dogs since JS supposedly let the other German Shepherd attack her....

Smiling.......... look at all these little pieces of the puzzles we are finding. A staged scene will have you wasting time.

Was it a slip of the tongue? We don"t know. You have finally left the suicide area and onto something that can yield info or a lead.
 
  • #242
jstwondering,

So you are implying that DS called the kennel to get the dog and just maybe a slip of the tongue said my son? Isn't that something to ponder.

Starts to take you up stairs or something................you just might end up coming from the right side of the image...............

Read the article get the facts to confirm or dispel the notion.
 
  • #243
Obmama, we made a trip to Coronado tonight! It's so beautiful there and we, too, saw a ton of live sand dollars :)

The house isn't all that impressive when you look at what's around it....but I'd still love to live in Coronado....even in the gardener's shack of one of those mega-mansions that look out on the Pacific. (a girl can dream, right?)

You guys are funny....I was in San Diego for lunch today - and it went way long (that's what happens when you haven't seen someone for 6 years) or I would have taken my daughter over to Coronado just to peek. Now that I know there are sand dollars we will go for sure though.

I'll be wondering though who really belongs there and who is a sleuther :)

/back to topic now
 
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jstwondering,

So you are implying that DS called the kennel to get the dog and just maybe a slip of the tongue said my son? Isn't that something to ponder.

Starts to take you up stairs or something................you just might end up coming from the right side of the image...............

Read the article get the facts to confirm or dispel the notion.

in my opinion, you are still trying to lead posters to your conclusion - why?
 
  • #246
A sad story with an interesting fact:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-hanging-little-boys-dead.html#ixzz1TwdrF2s4

'As I walked up the stairs I could see Susan hanging from the door,’ he said. ‘Around her neck was my orange Next belt. I tried to get Susan down but she was too heavy.’

I have only seen one picture of Adam (at least last time I looked) he looked wiry to me, which is common on boats. I am not sure though that I understand how he cut her down standing on a table. Even if she was "only" 100 lbs or so that's still a lot to get from standing up, to off a table, he's not going to jump. Does he lay her down awkwardly on the table, jump off and then take her to the ground? That's the part that doesn't make sense about the story as I understand it.
 
  • #247
Why would she make such a claim and what does it mean?

I didn't give "my opinion" because you told us NOT to!

I do have a strong opinion about the "my son, my daughter" thing. It's built on my perception of JS's extended family and RN's goal. Also my personal experience with my bf's kids, who when we met, were the same age as JS's two eldest when he and RN got together. This and my intuition forms a vivid picture in my mind, aka "my opinion".

IMO, the "my" reference made by a two year girlfriend oversteps boundaries. If I was the former wife or child, I wouldn't like it. This is how I roll . . . before I act or speak, I consider how the message or action will be received. Divorce often causes biological parents to compete for their kid's affection and attention, who they love best and who they prefer to spend leisure time with.

The added dimension of a girlfriend vying for acceptance into the family circle, can cause resentment if the bio mother views it as an attempt to replace her at the dad's home. My goal was to reduce the strain between households, and I've gotten along just fine with my bf's ex, even during the "difficult years" with his kids. BTW, we met years after his divorce. RN was implicated in the JS/DS split, according to DS's personal assistant.

It's possible JS encouraged the "my" thing. I can see it. What I also see is RN doing things for the sake of appearance, partly learned by JS, but more significantly to express her maternal role as permanent. A woman can convey her wishes silently, hers was to be JS's wife and to have his children. She displayed her motherly instincts and love for children. I think he chose a much younger woman because he wanted more children, perhaps because his teenagers grew independence, and he wanted another young child like Maxie.

Bottom line, I saw the "my" thing as phony, with ulterior motive. Some think the "wicked stepmonster" was an inside joke. Inside jokes aren't splashed across the Internet for all to see. RN and JS strived for an appearance of perfection, without drama. The nasty reference lends truth to the real deal at the Shacknai homestead, and I don't think "my daughter" was well received. If I was on the receiving end, I'd feel uncomfortable. And, I'm talking about this specific relationship, not a stepmom who'd been part of my life for a long time.
 
  • #248
And if we all had your strength, there would be no suicides in the world. But the reality is, suicides happen every day, by good folks who feel they have no other way out of their pain. And sometimes, their families never see it coming.

She made it out of Burma...I gotta feeling: she was not a quitter.

You seem to feel differently...so be it. :)

And good night.
 
  • #249
I didn't give "my opinion" because you told us NOT to!

I do have a strong opinion about the "my son, my daughter" thing. It's built on my perception of JS's extended family and RN's goal. Also my personal experience with my bf's kids, who when we met, were the same age as JS's two eldest when he and RN got together. This and my intuition forms a vivid picture in my mind, aka "my opinion".

IMO, the "my" reference made by a two year girlfriend oversteps boundaries. If I was the former wife or child, I wouldn't like it. This is how I roll . . . before I act or speak, I consider how the message or action will be received. Divorce often causes biological parents to compete for their kid's affection and attention, who they love best and who they prefer to spend leisure time with.

The added dimension of a girlfriend vying for acceptance into the family circle, can cause resentment if the bio mother views it as an attempt to replace her at the dad's home. My goal was to reduce the strain between households, and I've gotten along just fine with my bf's ex, even during the "difficult years" with his kids. BTW, we met years after his divorce. RN was implicated in the JS/DS split, according to DS's personal assistant.

It's possible JS encouraged the "my" thing. I can see it. What I also see is RN doing things for the sake of appearance, partly learned by JS, but more significantly to express her maternal role as permanent. A woman can convey her wishes silently, hers was to be JS's wife and to have his children. She displayed her motherly instincts and love for children. I think he chose a much younger woman because he wanted more children, perhaps because his teenagers grew independence, and he wanted another young child like Maxie.

Bottom line, I saw the "my" thing as phony, with ulterior motive. Some think the "wicked stepmonster" was an inside joke. Inside jokes aren't splashed across the Internet for all to see. RN and JS strived for an appearance of perfection, without drama. The nasty reference lends truth to the real deal at the Shacknai homestead, and I don't think "my daughter" was well received. If I was on the receiving end, I'd feel uncomfortable. And, I'm talking about this specific relationship, not a stepmom who'd been part of my life for a long time.

How can it be both ways? How could she have "DISPLAYED HER MOTHERLY INSTINCTS AND LOVE FOR CHILDREN"...(sounds so real, btw...)

If she's also the "WICKED STEP-MONSTER" ?

Perception, perhaps?
 
  • #250
How can it be both ways? How could she have "DISPLAYED HER MOTHERLY INSTINCTS AND LOVE FOR CHILDREN"...(sounds so real, btw...)

If she's also the "WICKED STEP-MONSTER" ?

Perception, perhaps?

I know some kids impacted by a very ugly divorce (he fits the CEO part mentioned earlier). To their mom and her circle, they hate their step mom (the nanny that broke up the marriage), but in reality, they love her it's all fun (and almost all the money stayed) at the dad's house....
I can easily see it both ways, wicked stepmother to those that are friends with the mom, and warm and motherly in person.
:twocents:
 
  • #251
in my opinion, you are still trying to lead posters to your conclusion - why?

Not asked of me but I must pipe up on this topic in general but not this post in particular...

Doesn't it get so much better when we have evidence? And links? And facts?
Can't wait...

Until then, imo, reading this thread has gotten alot more, let's say, 'intriguing' this last week or so...;)
 
  • #252
Not asked of me but I must pipe up on this topic in general but not this post in particular...

Doesn't it get so much better when we have evidence? And links? And facts?
Can't wait...

Until then, imo, reading this thread has gotten alot more, let's say, 'intriguing' this last week or so...;)

Ayep! Some awesome potential scriptwriters are born on true crime forums every day, starting with the JBR case in early 1997.

We most definitely need more facts with which to work; otherwise, the threads fill-up too fast with wild speculation, guessing...posters who are so SURE with their theories, others who post about personal experiences not necessarily relevant.

I've taken to reading Latest. Still same.

Carrion! ;->

jmo
 
  • #253
obmama.. I think most here have done more than the average as far as studying this case. We have studied suicides..hangings..position of body..weather that day. Rigor timelines..etc etc.

While some would be more entertained at the thought of homicide..not sure who they are..we just study the cases and form an opinion.

My opinion is homicide..because of hours of studying all info given. Would I rather it be homicide than suicide? NO I'd rather Maxie hadnt fallen and Rebecca was still alive.

All of this being said..I'll just go back to sleuthing and reading..thats why I am on this site. All of this is IMO

As I explained to others, my comment was aimed at ignorance and ill will displayed in media comment boards, by people who don't have an inkling of knowledge, other than their biased view of a news report.

I routinely read on-line news from several local sources, but joined this discussion group because opinions are valued, and I can write an essay without getting criticized by those who view comment boards as a place for humorous one-liners, or degrading and insensitive comments.

You are one of the most valuable resources here. Your recount of the chain of events after MS's accident is akin to the 911 call that is inaccessible to the media. The regular contributors put serious effort into the research and compilation of relevant data, to justify their opinions. And, it's good to see a willingness to change an opinion, because they are persuaded to see things from different perspective.

When I read the comments here, I look at input, not opinion, and I appreciate yours.
 
  • #254
How can it be both ways? How could she have "DISPLAYED HER MOTHERLY INSTINCTS AND LOVE FOR CHILDREN"...(sounds so real, btw...)

If she's also the "WICKED STEP-MONSTER" ?

Perception, perhaps?

"Wicked Stepmonster" was GS's perception. Not saying RN deserved the title.
 
  • #255
There are tests done prior to a family being told that their family member is brain dead. This is not a light or easily given diagnosis. An MRI does not show if a patient is 'brain dead'. It can show an injury and extent of that injury within the brain. It can show bleeding to the brain. It can show any damage done to the skull and if there are objects that have embeded themselves into the brain.

It can not show brain waves or brain patterns and whether or not they exist. An MRI would have been done immediately, to assess what/if/any damage, swelling etc had occured. It would have been done to diagnose WHY Max needed to be put on a ventilator. What the underlying problems and diagnoses were. It would also be the information LE needed to determine whether this was an accident or something more sinister. Or, does the injury match the explanation of the description of the event and the scene of the accident.

To assess brain function, there would have to be an EEG. This is the machine that monitors the brain and makes the squiggly lines, when the brain responds to stimulation. Noise, light, touch, both outside and with probes, inside rhe brain. For a brain to be 'dead', there is no response to stimulation.

When the brain no longer is 'alive' that means that the brain does not do even the most basic functions of life, such as breathing or regulating temperature well, or having purposeful movement. Here is a dictionary explanation:

Brain death is the irreversible end of all brain activity (including involuntary activity necessary to sustain life) due to total necrosis of the cerebral neurons following loss of brain oxygenation. It should not be confused with a persistent vegetative state.
Brain death, either of the whole brain or the brain stem, is used as a legal indicator of death in many jurisdictions.

This is what differentiates between brain death and a vegetative state. IE: a patient in a long coma type state. Think Karen Anne Quinlan (sp?), although her case is controversial and I am not making a statement as to my beliefs in her case.

JS and DS would not have KNOWN that their son was brain dead and still be awaiting MRI results. I knew something about this had been niggling at my brain and THIS is it. Makes NO sense, as if the MD knew this child was brain dead, there would be no further need for MRI's. Maybe for other areas of the body, for organ donations (?), but that is usually handled by blood work and xrays, or individual tests on the specific organ, but usually blood work. Not a brain MRI.


But we aren't just talking about the end of a relationship & the cushy lifestyle, we are talking about a child dying from an accident that occurred on her watch. It's the totality of the events that leads me to believe that RN may have been crushed by the weight of it all.

An accident on a caregivers watch is MUCH different than an 'accident' or injury caused BY the caregiver. Rebecca was thought to be capable and able bodied to watch Max and the family has said that she was VERY good with him and to him. I do not think that anyone would think that Rebecca would hurt Max purposely. I have not seen any reports that it was an issue or a concern.

If a report or statement surfaced that indicated that was a strong possibility, I would re think my homicide stance and maybe feel that Rebeccas state of mind, guilt, fear of reprisal could lead her to consider suicide. What I see is a woman who loved and cared, maybe beyond her 'place'. for her boyfriends children. GS was also there willingly and old enough to state if she didn't want to be.

I would want to see PROOF that she was responsible for Max being in the state he was in.

I have even considered that Rebeccas dog may somehow be responsible, but the most a dog may have been able to do, would be to accidentally push a child down the staircase. A carpeted staircase, that had a landing. Not enough to cause brain death imho.

I said at first something stinks and I stand by that still today.
 
  • #256
"Wicked Stepmonster" was GS's perception. Not saying RN deserved the title.

It was noted by another poster, that the only person who could give the name 'step-monster' on the site, as the person who donated the money and filled out the form. There was speculation upthread, or in the previous thread, that it may have been DS who donated the money and gave herself the title. There is no proof that the title referred to Rebecca in any way.
 
  • #257
Also, where was DS when she couldn't be found after Max's accident? She obviously wasn't too worried about how well Rebecca took care of Max. She didn't have her cell phone on, didn't leave word where she would be. She must have felt comfortable that Max was safe.

Didn't they try to contact her through several sources? Work, cell, home, neighbors? Wonder where JS was? I know they were not together, as he would have told DS and he beat Rebecca and GS to the hospital.
 
  • #258
Been on vacation for a some days and rushed back to see the developments.

Frustrating indeed because there's none. How can that be? :-/
 
  • #259
If my calculations are right it has been three weeks today since the homicide/suicide and those lab tests should be coming back anytime now.

I wonder what new discussions they will bring about, and what doors will be opened, and others closed??
 
  • #260
Snipped: Her ex said she changed, she wanted a life of luxury.

I searched but was unable to find any quotes from NN regarding this. Do you have this anywhere?
 
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