Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #5

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  • #421
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Theforeigner can you check something out. It appears that the FPS (frames per second) in the videos will distorts and leaves the alleged rope from the balcony missing.

Can you catch the frame where to rope can be seen (I cannot understand why that happens Note) but the rope drapes in an obscure position which would have the body behind the shrubbery. There is a pipe or branch that looks as if it could be something to stand on.

Inobu[/QUOTE]

Hi Inobu

I did it the best I could (Im no wiz in this area), and I think it´s possible that media blurred thise particular areas were the rope is, maybe police gave instrcuctions to do that, to protect eveidence?
But here are the links to the video and photos werefrom I took the images, maybe you can get a better image extracted?

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15145114/zahaus-sister-talks-about-her-familys-loss?redirected=true

The 3 images of the balcony area taken from the video in this link



http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/ph...ad-at-mansion-20110715,0,6503880.photogallery

The 3 close up photos of RN lying on the lawn taken from still photos in this link
 
  • #422
That is the video where I saw rope in. Odd point is the barely seen as you zoom in.

It puts the rope just behind or on the edge of the tree leaves.

Inobu
 
  • #423
I don't think DS was or is thinking about $$$$ then or even now. I suspect she is still greiving, poor thing. That being said, when the dust settles, DS may go after JS in a civil suit, claiming Maxie's death was due to his or his babysitter/girlfriends negligence.

Good Point!

From the beginning I could only come up with 3 possible perps.....DS, JS or AS. So I was trying to see why/how each of them may have commited the crime and for what reason.

I'm think JS - DS - AS (as helper); unknown perp......or suicide.

Just going in circles with no new information :treadmill::Banane45::rollercoaster:
 
  • #424
Are there any video or pictures of RN facedown? I know there were initial reports that AS laid her facedown first but if so was it on the other side of the table (near the wall) or near the walkway?

If she had flung herself and/or jumped off the balcony, would there have not been "blood" on the white wall? Would she not have "swung" out and then back into the wall?

TIA
 
  • #425
lauriej my theory cuts to the bone. Just based on your response to this trivial issue you would have a fit if I were to post it so to avoid the issue I just wait where as the media would say it not me and I avoid the negative backlash

Being a Sleuth is about thinking, reasoning, applying logic and deduction.

I will repeat one fact or clue however you want it...... "Two Alpha males or females cannot co-exist and do not share their young".

Take it for what it is worth and if it is true "i could care less" then there shouldn't be an issue...........

Inobu

But isn't the reason we're here to be a sounding board for each other? Heck, I could say I studied reports and based on some eye witnesses there was UFO activity in area, hence she was a victim of abduction gone bad. I may get a few "you have got to be kidding" and the like, but I expect to still be treated with respect regardless of my thoughts. That is the nature of WS, mutual respect and no bashing. Cruel attacks should be reported to stealthy Mods to be resolved.

I get your Alpha statement. I think Alphas usually react when pushed, they are more the enforcer if that makes sense. I fear beta-wanna be alphas more, they can be loose cannons. Taking your statement, the strong personalities seemingly belonged mainly to JS and a bit lessor (IMO) DS.
 
  • #426
Slightly off topic, but this is a story about a suicide by drowning with arms and legs bound.

This is a very sad story about a family of four who died as a result of suicide/murder. The autopsy results were released and published by local media yesterday, which is disturbing for a couple of reasons. The obvious is the graphic descriptions of the condition the bodies were found.

But even more disturbing, is the fact that the suicide victim was bound, much the same as RN was, yet it was not investigated as a "suspicious death".

"Police and firefighters arrived and pulled the bodies from the water. Alfredo was fully clothed. His hands were secured behind his back with rusty handcuffs. He had a yellow rope tied around his ankles on one end and an overhanging house beam on the other end. His head was weighted down in the water by a tow hitch attached to a wire fastened around his neck."

Here's a link to the story, and a synopsis.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/aug/03/deaths-pimienta-family-detailed-report/

The family was discovered by a nephew, who was called to the home by his uncle, supposedly to discuss a business transaction. He arrived to find the entire family drowned. There were several suicide notes, and writings on an easel, in Spanish and English, that pointed to a suicide pact between the parents. Two days earlier, the family hosted a pool party for their daughters, the oldest was a high school senior who looked forward to her prom the next weekend. She had a bright future, with plans to attend college in the fall.

Family and friends were absolutely shocked, theorizing that "financial problems" led to this family's demise. After reading the autopsy results, I'm having a problem with it myself. If it was indeed a suicide pact, why did the mother put up a struggle? And, why did the nephew find a conversation with the uncle the night before, so odd that he told his father and they contemplated calling police?

Most upsetting is the bindings on RN were cause to investigate her death as a possible homicide, when the bindings on a man who killed his entire family did not raise the same questions. The family was Mexican, and lived only a few miles from the Mexican border. I'm sure everyone has heard about the violent killings and kidnappings by Mexican cartels, some of which have spilled across the border. I wonder if the guy's financial problems included a debt owed to the wrong people, which would explain his acute anxiety. I just have a hard time accepting a father doing this to his kids, especially with a culture that is so family oriented.

I question why bindings found on RN's arms and legs are thought to be so unusual to cause a full blown investigation that implicates a millionaire and his family, when a similarly bound man who does the unthinkable doesn't generate the same thorough investigation.

The reasoning behind my comment is perhaps bindings aren't as unusual as we think. It seems this open and shut case was not given the same attention as the Coronado case, with just as questionable circumstances. LE was quick to surmise the mother was a co-conspirator, yet the trauma to her body and ME's cause of death (homicide) says differently. The sad thing is, two weeks later, in this same suburb, a father shot his two teenaged sons in the head, then himself, before setting his house on fire. You have to wonder if this highly publicized case set the wheels in motion for the second family tragedy. San Diego County averages one suicide per day, and there's been a disturbing trend of suicide/homicides this year.
 
  • #427
But isn't the reason we're here to be a sounding board for each other? Heck, I could say I studied reports and based on some eye witnesses there was UFO activity in area, hence she was a victim of abduction gone bad. I may get a few "you have got to be kidding" and the like, but I expect to still be treated with respect regardless of my thoughts. That is the nature of WS, mutual respect and no bashing. Cruel attacks should be reported to stealthy Mods to be resolved.

I get your Alpha statement. I think Alphas usually react when pushed, they are more the enforcer if that makes sense. I fear beta-wanna be alphas more, they can be loose cannons. Taking your statement, the strong personalities seemingly belonged mainly to JS and a bit lessor (IMO) DS.

Very nice post! I'll add my :twocents:. I can't imagine a more real example of a wanna-be alpha turning into a loose cannon than a successful wife/mom who lost everything in her world to another younger woman, who then has to let this woman be a part of her child's life. While she may have held it together for the last couple of years, (or moved on, as some have suggested...) when she gets presented with the news that her baby boy just suffered a critical injury while this younger woman was babysitting, well, who knows how one would react. Anything is possible.
 
  • #428
I don"t think there are any "wanna be" Alpha's they are...

Hence my comment the personality pool in this story was a train wreck just waiting to happen.

Inobu
 
  • #429
Thank you pferrin, I knew there was a reason I posted what I posted. LE was unable to contact/find DS for several hours. As I said in my previous point, being a Mom, I would not have left my children with someone I didn't trust and not had a way to be contacted immediately. This leads me to believe GS was comfortable with Maxie being watched by Rebecca. Speaks to the fact that she did a good job of it.[/QUOTE]

BBM

I wanted to comment on this too. I work in CA Family Law, and from my experience and having been divorced myself, I know that if there is a court order for a vistation schedule, a parent cannot just "not take their child" to the non custodial parent's home for the ordered visitation.

It literally takes copius amounts of blatant evidence of negligence or even criminality to prevent that a child should not be at that home or in the care of that person. It also takes a lot of time and money to prove it. Sad but true.

DS was under a court order and without an emergency order, she could not refuse (not without an ex parte order or subsequent serious legal consequences in Family Court) to take MS to his dad's house because of her opinion of RN or her opinion of RN's ability to look after MS. She was obligated by the visitation orders to comply with visitation.

This issue is one of the most frustrating aspects of my job.
 
  • #430
Very nice post! I'll add my :twocents:. I can't imagine a more real example of a wanna-be alpha turning into a loose cannon than a successful wife/mom who lost everything in her world to another younger woman, who then has to let this woman be a part of her child's life. While she may have held it together for the last couple of years, (or moved on, as some have suggested...) when she gets presented with the news that her baby boy just suffered a critical injury while this younger woman was babysitting, well, who knows how one would react. Anything is possible.

Hence, explosion! But if it was DS I don't think she could have done it alone. RN was very strong, worked out, in good health, no I feel RN would have needed help.

Frankly, if it had been me, I just would have killed her (no staging) and then called the police. I wouldn't care what happened to me after my child died.
 
  • #431
Theforeigner can you check something out. It appears that the FPS (frames per second) in the videos will distorts and leaves the alleged rope from the balcony missing.

Can you catch the frame where to rope can be seen (I cannot understand why that happens Note) but the rope drapes in an obscure position which would have the body behind the shrubbery. There is a pipe or branch that looks as if it could be something to stand on.

Inobu

snipped for space

BBM

The rope is seen in the pictures bonepile did. And in her pictures, it does look like some sort of pipe that someone could stand on.

Sorry, I don't know how to get pictures to post....
 
  • #432
The rope is seen in the pictures bonepile did. And in her pictures, it does look like some sort of pipe that someone could stand on.

Sorry, I don't know how to get pictures to post....

It might be a drain pipe of some sort. Most likely black PVC but that is just too much of a guess for it to be of any value. Just have to leave it in question.

Lot of information missing or missed and LE black out forces you to wait.

Second table proves they are looking else where.

Inobu



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  • #433
I don"t think there are any "wanna be" Alpha's they are...

Hence my comment the personality pool in this story was a train wreck just waiting to happen.

Inobu

Somewhat agree, the beta may have been AS-but not a wannabe. I kinda see him as just someone in wrong place at wrong time. It's obvious JS is Alpha (status, position, go getter attitude and marriage docs). DS seems a strong personality, but most insight, if not all, comes from stormy marriage docs, would like to know more.

If there was ever a catalyst death of a child has to be one of the top things to make someone go ballistic.

Touching on something that was said earlier, believe Dr Klein, JS had a sex addiction. I don't think there is any docs stating infidelity in marriages, but it's something that I believe is related to his power trip. Don't know why this is popping into my mind today.
 
  • #434
I agree with many of the thoughts here today. I am an alpha ..so are my brothers and my husband was also.

When my bother..the ME is around..he had a very strong dominant personality and sometimes rules alll...with a little exception..his tiny little wife.

She is sweeter than puddin and when she wants something done..he does it. Funny how many alpha types will cave to betas sometimes. Just including this because most alphas can be dealt with in a normal manner. Here we are not dealing with normal.

It is difficult to figure the mindset of the folks here..I am with Jacy as far as if someone was respondsible for the death of any child in our family ..I would not have any control.
Nor would I have staged anything ..I would have called the police myself.

I am sure there are no pics of RN face down..it was reported that she was face down when police arrived on scene.

I doubt DS was really concerned about Maxie that day. I am certain Maxie had spent time alone with RN many times.

I think he was just doing what little boys do..playing and taking a few risks on the stairwell. I use to slide down bannister all the time ..I could have easily taken a tragic fall.

I cant imagine DS pain..my heart go out to her for her loss.

I keep coming back to the person that would be most comfortable to commit this crime..the homeowner...
 
  • #435
Thank you pferrin, I knew there was a reason I posted what I posted. LE was unable to contact/find DS for several hours. As I said in my previous point, being a Mom, I would not have left my children with someone I didn't trust and not had a way to be contacted immediately. This leads me to believe GS was comfortable with Maxie being watched by Rebecca. Speaks to the fact that she did a good job of it.[/QUOTE]

BBM

I wanted to comment on this too. I work in CA Family Law, and from my experience and having been divorced myself, I know that if there is a court order for a vistation schedule, a parent cannot just "not take their child" to the non custodial parent's home for the ordered visitation.

It literally takes copius amounts of blatant evidence of negligence or even criminality to prevent that a child should not be at that home or in the care of that person. It also takes a lot of time and money to prove it. Sad but true.

DS was under a court order and without an emergency order, she could not refuse (not without an ex parte order or subsequent serious legal consequences in Family Court) to take MS to his dad's house because of her opinion of RN or her opinion of RN's ability to look after MS. She was obligated by the visitation orders to comply with visitation.

This issue is one of the most frustrating aspects of my job.

THANK YOU!!!!! This is the absolute truth, it happens everyday!

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43984...oman-who-killed-her-own-children#.TjryUL_wO6k

This woman is forced to let her ex-husband and wife have custody with her children, even though wife killed her own kids years ago. Judge said its fine because the woman hasn't hurt anyone since 2008!
 
  • #436
I don"t think there are any "wanna be" Alpha's they are...

Hence my comment the personality pool in this story was a train wreck just waiting to happen.

Inobu

Alpha Traits:

Never Qualifies Himself
Talks Slow
Doesn’t Look Around
Is The Focus of Attention
Take The Glory
Are Never Impressed
Enjoy a Challenge
Don’t Answer Questions
Don’t Care About You
Can Show A Nicer Side and Get Away With It
Is Comfortable In His Own Skin Side and Get Away With It

http://www.subliminal-messaging.com/alpha-male-traits/

The first 20 or so sites for "alpha males" have to do with "dating tips".

I would say JS wins this hands down. I don't know much about AS. And DS only appears to have become 'aggressive' during the divorce and when she was going to lose JS. But her anger and jealousy still plays a part (in my opinion) for her being a possible perp........
 
  • #437
It might be a drain pipe of some sort. Most likely black PVC but that is just too much of a guess for it to be of any value. Just have to leave it in question.

Lot of information missing or missed and LE black out forces you to wait.

Second table proves they are looking else where.

Inobu



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That is not a table they removed from the home as evidence.....it was one of their work tables....no gloves on.....
 
  • #438
Pferrin, I am still on the fence as to murder or suicide. That said, I can see JS coming to house. If seen he could easily say he was changing clothes, taking a shower, ect. Would AS leave out that little detail to LE to protect brother if he thought he was involved?

Geez, I wish LE would throw us a bone.
 
  • #439
Somewhat agree, the beta may have been AS-but not a wannabe. I kinda see him as just someone in wrong place at wrong time. It's obvious JS is Alpha (status, position, go getter attitude and marriage docs). DS seems a strong personality, but most insight, if not all, comes from stormy marriage docs, would like to know more.

If there was ever a catalyst death of a child has to be one of the top things to make someone go ballistic.

Touching on something that was said earlier, believe Dr Klein, JS had a sex addiction. I don't think there is any docs stating infidelity in marriages, but it's something that I believe is related to his power trip. Don't know why this is popping into my mind today.

BBM

But it doesn't seem he waste any time after a separation/divorce before he has another woman on his arm........I think he is a cheater....I can't see him waiting on himself or spending any time alone........
 
  • #440
Pferrin, I am still on the fence as to murder or suicide. That said, I can see JS coming to house. If seen he could easily say he was changing clothes, taking a shower, ect. Would AS leave out that little detail to LE to protect brother if he thought he was involved?

Geez, I wish LE would throw us a bone.


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love it!!!! Your avatar!!!
 
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