Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #6

[elementry]

Yes, I agree it could be the balcony overlooking the stairwell plus, it would be DS boyfriend's daughter, possibly the man that the press spoke to at DS's house.

Guess you can put him down as a possible "person of interest". If he was enthrall to DS, and his daughter's heart was broken by the tragedy of MS, and either DS or he may have blamed RN for the calamity, and/or possibly he was influenced by DS to summarily "end" the life of RN in hot blooded retribution, and maybe even to create a PR mess for and/or even a frame-up of JS, who might have been blamed for placing MS in RN's care on that fatal morning of the "fall", and as he was already reviled by DS for dumping her for the young Asian hottie......aww, never mind......

 

[sdcali]

There are so many question to that table that does not correlate to the implied event. As you mentioned the tables table should not have remained an upright position after losing its leg. Based on the direction of force (outward) the leg should have been swept away from the table not under it.

For the leg to end up in the opposite direction of force it goes against physics.

To answer your point ".................., perhaps AS did NOT, in fact, use the table to cut her down. But going with that story, instead he held the edge of the table and kicked the leg and broke it?"

Still the legs break direction is opposite of its rest position. The kicking action would have been from the inside outward.

I wonder if the investigator took notice to AS physical condition. If he was rested or looked as if he had not slept? There are so many answers to questions that could really narrow the leads down.

Inobu

Thanks, Inobu. You are right. I read your post about the direction the table leg was broken after I posted. That makes it even more puzzling to me.

 

[Sharyne]

I wonder if those boys that knew GS and communicated with her spent a lot of time up on that roof. And if so, I wonder how much more info they may have about what happened that night. In the summer, with no school, kids stay up much later than usual, I bet they heard the music and may have been checking it out from the roof. imo

 

[jwporetenus]

Thanks for the warm welcome, all! Websleuths was my news source for the Casey Anthony slog, you guys kept the commentary and insights hot. I finally had to jump in there with you!

It's early, early days in this sad case, but my preliminary prediction is that this will be another JonBenet unsolved case. Despite what I insinuated about JS's grief carrying him to a dark place, my first instinct was that there was something else going on-- someone out to get JS by killing MS and then RN. If so, we will never find out what happened. Professional.

But of course, I can see the alternative scenarios.

Alternative one -- revenge kill. If RN was, or was perceived to be, at fault for MS's death (more accurately, his brain-death at that point), then all bets could have been off. JS or DS could have flipped out. Or maybe they both flipped together. My ex and I stand united against all foes when it comes to our boys -- maybe it's easier for us since our split didnt involve broken fingers, attacking dogs, etc., but maybe JS and DS let bygones be that and united against a common enemy. JS and DS released a joint statement regarding MS's death, and JS's statement addressing the stories about their domestic violence was written to protect DS, too. This was probably perfectly normal and correct -- if there is ever a time for letting go of petty fights and coming together, it's when you and your ex have lost your child. But perhaps it's because they have, to some degree, both been complicit, even if only to keep silence for the other. One point seems clear to me in the revenge-kill scenario --if it was JS, DS or both, they did NOT do it themselves. NOBODY would leave their breathing child for any reason, knowing he was about to be gone forever. Murder could wait-- unless they had someone to do it for them.


Other alternative, and sadly, perhaps the most likely -- blaming it on suicide. Money can buy a lot, and I think JS has MORE influence outside of Coronado than inside it. Big Pharm makes the Mafia look like a soccer team (a really rough soccer team, but still).

I respect all other opinions here for sure, and what do I know anyway(especially given the total news blackout)? But I will stake it all right now that Rebecca has no more committed suicide than I have. Murder, pure and simple -- but only MOO.

 

[Charlie09]

Same link/page as noted previously, but some new photos, if anyone wants to watch it.

Made me very, very sad to watch this.

http://www.meierhoffer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/zahau_rebecca.swf

There was a picture with what appeared to be a teenage sister? I don't remember seeing it the first time....did anyone notice?

 

[Charlie09]

Thanks for the warm welcome, all! Websleuths was my news source for the Casey Anthony slog, you guys kept the commentary and insights hot. I finally had to jump in there with you!

It's early, early days in this sad case, but my preliminary prediction is that this will be another JonBenet unsolved case. Despite what I insinuated about JS's grief carrying him to a dark place, my first instinct was that there was something else going on-- someone out to get JS by killing MS and then RN. If so, we will never find out what happened. Professional.
.

This was really my thought...except it just seems so personal.
Although if it was a payback for the son, it could be both -

I totally agree - don't think it was suicide

Also - welcome!

 

[jwporetenus]

First, i lurk and never post, now I won't shut up.

But one more thing about the theory that MS and RN are related kills that were intended to warn or punish JS for some Big Dark Business Thing.

Something is odd about Medicis's activities before and since the deaths. First there are the big Medicis stock trades by JS just prior to the deaths. Then the deaths occur. Stock fluctuates briefly, then drops. The company is immediately targeted for takeover. Then the murder investigation is delayed while JS appears to be working out an exit strategy from the company.

(Somebody is being paid, ordered, forced, etc. to delay this investigation. JMO, but a very strong opinion.)

That's a lot of action for Medicis in a short time, and the takeover developments seem to be working toward a close at about the time that the results of the investigation may be announced. Maybe it's all totally coincidence. But maybe we should looking more closely at the Medici angle, see what the last few months have looked like with stock trades, trends in Medicis's positioning in the industry and the trajectory of the seemingly-sudden targeting of Medicis for takeover.

 

[StJohn]

When I first heard this story, my immediate thought was, this woman was murdered. Hands and feet bound, nude, that's got to be murder. Then I heard experts say that there have been cases of suicides found in just this manner. Then I thought of the awful mental suffering RN must have been experiencing when she heard how serious little Max's injuries were, she may even have been told he would likely not survive. I know this is not a popular opinion, because some refuse to believe that someone with RN's positive, sunny dispostion could ever commit suicide. For some reason, I started thinking tonight of the many people who jumped from the WTC towers after the planes hit the buildings & fires were burning. I would guess that few, if any, of those folks who jumped had been depressed or suicidal when they entered those buildings to begin their work day. I did some research and found an article by a forensic suicide expert, Ronald Maris, and this is what he had to say about why anyone would commit suicide

The primary motive of all suicides is escape. What are they fleeing from? In this case, they have escaped from terrible thoughts of being crushed to death, or burned to death, by annihilating their consciousness in a way that is nearly instantaneous

http://www.werismyki.com/artcls/falling.html I can see how RN could have been in such mental anguish over Max that she needed to choose the ultimate escape, death. Is that what she did? Time will tell. Many of you have made strong arguments that RN was murdered, and I have to say that I am truly now "on the fence" as to which way this investigation will go.

 

[Theforeigner]

I want to know EXACTLEY what day, and time of day, the doctors stated that Max was braindead, and when Rebecca got this message.

If the "braindead" diagnosis wasen't claimed yet previous to Rebecca beeing found wedensday morning July 13th, then suicide is no option at all IMO.
You do not kill yourself because somone MIGHT die, at least not IMO.

Max was not pronounced dead until July 17th, 4 days after Rebecca's death.



And; Welcome to "jwporetenus", GREAT posts, looking forward to read more from you

 

[Bonepile]

Nudity and suicide?

it really bothers me even though we found our co-worker nude and hanging years ago it bothers me in this case.

If you look at those photos of Rebecca and her perfect clothes, her color selections, her exactness in ear rings, jewelry, that genuine smile I do not see her presenting herself one final time in the nude to the world, her family or her friends. It just simply does not add up.

... and if it turns out that Rebecca was murdered maybe the killer's achilles heel will be the body left minus her clothes. It certainly looks "suspicious" to me, or so it seems.

 

[arielilane]

Same link/page as noted previously, but some new photos, if anyone wants to watch it.

Made me very, very sad to watch this.

http://www.meierhoffer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/zahau_rebecca.swf

Thank you,CuriousAmazon for posting this.

 

[arielilane]

First, i lurk and never post, now I won't shut up.

But one more thing about the theory that MS and RN are related kills that were intended to warn or punish JS for some Big Dark Business Thing.

Something is odd about Medicis's activities before and since the deaths. First there are the big Medicis stock trades by JS just prior to the deaths. Then the deaths occur. Stock fluctuates briefly, then drops. The company is immediately targeted for takeover. Then the murder investigation is delayed while JS appears to be working out an exit strategy from the company.

(Somebody is being paid, ordered, forced, etc. to delay this investigation. JMO, but a very strong opinion.)

That's a lot of action for Medicis in a short time, and the takeover developments seem to be working toward a close at about the time that the results of the investigation may be announced. Maybe it's all totally coincidence. But maybe we should looking more closely at the Medici angle, see what the last few months have looked like with stock trades, trends in Medicis's positioning in the industry and the trajectory of the seemingly-sudden targeting of Medicis for takeover.

Welcome,jwporetenus! Glad to have another person's perspective. Where are you getting the stock information from? I found it interesting. I was unable to locate " a takeover". The investigation has been ongoing. tia

 

[Lawgirl]

Whether JS is utlimately found to have any involvement in RN's death, I must say that I have NEVER been so impressed with a PR firm as I am with the entity that he has retained. When JS retained his PR firm, the articles about the murder went from 1467 to 45 in TWO DAYS. Prior to PR, if you Googled "Jonah," the browser would fill in his last name for you. After PR, you'd have to type his whole name to even get the 45 news articles.

Those 45 leftover articles were total retreads about poor little MS and about JS's grief (there is no sarcasm in that, I say "poor Max" with total sincerity and ditto for JS's grief. In fact, I think that grief may have driven him to some bad, bad place. As a parent, I could see it).

And so it continues -- a modern miracle as here, in the age of HLN and Casey Anthony, there is silence where the outcry should be. Google JS's name and see how few hits you get. The hits that do appear come in two flavors: (1)JS is THE greatest dad EVER and also a tremendous contributor to good causes and society in general; and (2) suicide most certainly IS being considered as a cause of death for RN, and anyone who says otherwise is quite wrong, thank you very much.

Maybe the first flavor has merit, hope it does. The second flavor is, in my opinion, steaming BS and I'm sure not downing it. But no matter what, reasonable minds can agree that Jonah Shacknai has nerves of steel and the sharpest of survival skills. Even in the darkest moment that a parent can ever know, the guy still has his wits about him and spends the cash where it will do the most good -- keeping the media on a tight leash and totally at heel for him. A public relations triumph.

Poor Rebecca. That woman was absolutely murdered. IMOO, of course.

I think she was murdered too.

 

[Lawgirl]

First, i lurk and never post, now I won't shut up.

But one more thing about the theory that MS and RN are related kills that were intended to warn or punish JS for some Big Dark Business Thing.

Something is odd about Medicis's activities before and since the deaths. First there are the big Medicis stock trades by JS just prior to the deaths. Then the deaths occur. Stock fluctuates briefly, then drops. The company is immediately targeted for takeover. Then the murder investigation is delayed while JS appears to be working out an exit strategy from the company.

(Somebody is being paid, ordered, forced, etc. to delay this investigation. JMO, but a very strong opinion.)

That's a lot of action for Medicis in a short time, and the takeover developments seem to be working toward a close at about the time that the results of the investigation may be announced. Maybe it's all totally coincidence. But maybe we should looking more closely at the Medici angle, see what the last few months have looked like with stock trades, trends in Medicis's positioning in the industry and the trajectory of the seemingly-sudden targeting of Medicis for takeover.

I like this post. It is a different perspective. I also have gotten a sense of a delay in the forensics/investigation result. I did also see the articles about an intended takeover. Interesting...The reason this case fascinates is because there is not one angle -- there are many! Your perspective definitely is interesting!

I've never been trusting of pharmaceuticals based on all the garbage that I read the tactics they are willing to employ.http://www.bnet.com/blog/drug-busin...cis-may-contemplate-life-without-its-ceo/9201

 

[Lawgirl]

This is a good article which explains some of the activity surrounding Medicis, the proposed takeover, etc.

http://www.bnet.com/blog/drug-busin...cis-may-contemplate-life-without-its-ceo/9201

 

[Quester]

First, i lurk and never post, now I won't shut up.

But one more thing about the theory that MS and RN are related kills that were intended to warn or punish JS for some Big Dark Business Thing.

Something is odd about Medicis's activities before and since the deaths. First there are the big Medicis stock trades by JS just prior to the deaths. Then the deaths occur. Stock fluctuates briefly, then drops. The company is immediately targeted for takeover. Then the murder investigation is delayed while JS appears to be working out an exit strategy from the company.

(Somebody is being paid, ordered, forced, etc. to delay this investigation. JMO, but a very strong opinion.)

That's a lot of action for Medicis in a short time, and the takeover developments seem to be working toward a close at about the time that the results of the investigation may be announced. Maybe it's all totally coincidence. But maybe we should looking more closely at the Medici angle, see what the last few months have looked like with stock trades, trends in Medicis's positioning in the industry and the trajectory of the seemingly-sudden targeting of Medicis for takeover.

There sure are alot of interesting angles to these cases and am enjoying reading your perspective and thoughts!

RE: Medicis - A company with financials and market share as Medicis would be in the cross-hairs of many competitors' vision and for some time. As a public company, and depending on the publicly available shares, they would also be at risk for a hostile takeover.

Interestingly, I read recently that a change in JS' employment agreement (effective June 24 2011) included a waiver of the standard non-compete clause in the case of termination based on take-over or sale of company.

[A non-compete clause typically states that an executive cannot work or create a new company that would compete with Medicis for a standard period of one year post termination.]


BBM in the following:

On June 24, 2011, the Stock Option and Compensation Committee (the "Compensation Committee") of the Board of Directors (the "Board") of Medicis Pharmaceutical Corporation ("Medicis" or the "Company") approved an amended and restated employment agreement (the "Employment Agreement") between Medicis and [JS], the Company's Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer, extending [JS]'s contract term through June 30, 2016.
...
Additionally, [JS] is subject to customary restrictive covenants including non-competition, non-solicitation, and protection of confidential information covenants during his employment and for one year following termination of employment; provided, however, that, the non-competition and non-solicitation covenants will not apply in the event of [JS]'s termination of employment in connection with a change in control of the Company.

http://seekingalpha.com/news-article/1360470-medicis-pharmaceutical-corp-files-8-k-disclosing-change-in-directors-or-principal-officers

 

[scorekeeper]

When I first heard this story, my immediate thought was, this woman was murdered. Hands and feet bound, nude, that's got to be murder. Then I heard experts say that there have been cases of suicides found in just this manner. Then I thought of the awful mental suffering RN must have been experiencing when she heard how serious little Max's injuries were, she may even have been told he would likely not survive. I know this is not a popular opinion, because some refuse to believe that someone with RN's positive, sunny dispostion could ever commit suicide. For some reason, I started thinking tonight of the many people who jumped from the WTC towers after the planes hit the buildings & fires were burning. I would guess that few, if any, of those folks who jumped had been depressed or suicidal when they entered those buildings to begin their work day. I did some research and found an article by a forensic suicide expert, Ronald Maris, and this is what he had to say about why anyone would commit suicide http://www.werismyki.com/artcls/falling.html I can see how RN could have been in such mental anguish over Max that she needed to choose the ultimate escape, death. Is that what she did? Time will tell. Many of you have made strong arguments that RN was murdered, and I have to say that I am truly now "on the fence" as to which way this investigation will go.

StJohn,

Thanks for a great post. One of the great things about WS is that everyone should have their own opinions and be able to post those opinions without any fear. Yes, sometimes we do have "little heated discussions" but a good argument once in awhile is good for you (mentally) :floorlaugh:.

We can always agree to disagree......:waitasec:

I have been on the "murdered" side of the fence :fence: but I hope that once LE makes their final determination, all the evidence is released so that all our questions will be answered.

Hope we get some answers this week.

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[scorekeeper]

There sure are alot of interesting angles to these cases and am enjoying reading your perspective and thoughts!

RE: Medicis - A company with financials and market share as Medicis would be in the cross-hairs of many competitors' vision and for some time. As a public company, and depending on the publicly available shares, they would also be at risk for a hostile takeover.

Interestingly, I read recently that a change in JS' employment agreement (effective May 2011 ??) included a waiver of the standard non-compete clause in the case of termination based on take-over or sale of company.

[A non-compete clause typically states that an executive cannot work or create a new company that would compete with Medicis for a standard period of one year post termination.]


BBM in the following:

BBM

The non-compete clause is pretty standard in all business contracts. I would think with JS being an attorney, that would have been in there from the get-go. But due to the economy and the talk of "take over", it makes since for it to be added.

It is known as "Merger Mondays" in the financial world. A lot of the mergers and acquisitions (M & A) are announced on Mondays. IF JS's company is taken over, perhaps he will be glad he has "a year off" to reflect and re-evaluate his life........or he could be spending years some place not as sunny as CA or AZ........

 

[Quester]

Originally Posted by Quester ... snipped and added for clarity ...

Interestingly, I read recently that a change in JS' employment agreement (effective June 24 2011) included a waiver of the standard non-compete clause in the case of termination based on take-over or sale of company.

BBM

The non-compete clause is pretty standard in all business contracts. I would think with JS being an attorney, that would have been in there from the get-go. But due to the economy and the talk of "take over", it makes since for it to be added.

It is known as "Merger Mondays" in the financial world. A lot of the mergers and acquisitions (M & A) are announced on Mondays. IF JS's company is taken over, perhaps he will be glad he has "a year off" to reflect and re-evaluate his life........or he could be spending years some place not as sunny as CA or AZ........

BBM - Yes score - BUT the recent change is a WAIVER from this clause in the case of termination due to sale of the company.

In other words, it was a sign that he might have been anticipating and preparing for a sale of the company.

 

[scorekeeper]

BBM - Yes score - BUT the recent change is a WAIVER from this clause in the case of termination due to sale of the company.

Quester,

Thanks for the added info...........that makes it more interesting!!

Perhaps, there was rumor in the company that JS was thinking of selling....

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