Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #6

[StJohn]

As for the recent news reports, I am very skeptical of anything I read these days, even if it is reported in MSM. I have seen so many cases of misinformation, misleading information and outright lies reported as fact, it is a shame but it is what it is. Even where I live, I read a press release from our local police dept reporting on the shooting death of a suspect that included inaccurate information. I know that because our local news had a video that clearly refuted what was in the press release.

Will we ever know for sure what happened to RN? Maybe, if the autopsy, search warrants, etc, are ever released, but I have my doubts.

 

[jjenny]

Hi Ocean!

That "naked" news was from yesterday's article put out by the PR Firm, strike that, NBC. It stated:

While it’s unusual for a woman to commit suicide while naked and out in the open, sources said Zahau slept in the nude.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Coronado-Mansion-Mystery-a-Suicide-Source-128124368.html

The fact that she might sleep in nude has exactly zero relevance to proving she committed naked suicide.

 

[defense101]

The fact that she might sleep in nude has exactly zero relevance to proving she committed naked suicide.

I agree jjenny, I think the point being made was that the only one who would have that kind of personal information on RN is the source close to the investigation in the article. Possibility of PR spin.

 

[CalElliot]

Dr. Arnold Klein comment Wall Street Journal:"as 'JS' wealth increased so did his satyriasis --- his excessive, often uncontrollable sexual desire. Maybe this was his desire to remain forever young. But this illness may very well account for what happened at the Spreckles mansion as it did for the action at Dupont Estate in Deleware".

What is Dr Klein referring to by "the action at Dupont Estate in Deleware"?

IMO intimates a parallel between Shacknai and John duPont, who shot and kiled friend in driveway of his historic Delaware mansion. May also suggest the convoluted business practices and shareholders problems of Alfred duPont. Or may just be salacious red herring from a bitter rival?

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_duPont[/ame]

 

[CalElliot]

We all have lots of questions regarding this "very suspicious death".
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Has anyone made Timeline:


JMO

I asked the same question re apps or software. #218. Perhaps WS can at some point integrate Google Cloud into its format? That way sleuthers could post into a timeline, clarify erroneous reportage, and share information/links outside of and in addition to the linear thread format. A thought.

 

[CalElliot]

http://www.examiner.com/us-headline...millionaire-who-s-silent-about-mansion-deaths

Perhaps I read this wrong, but isn't KJ the ex-wife of JS? This article does not read that way to me. Just being curious .. SO many questions and interpretations .. JMO

You read it as stated, which is wrong...faulty reporting.

 

[Quester]

... added for clarity ...

Hi Ocean!

That "naked" news was from yesterday's article put out by the PR Firm, strike that, NBC. It stated:

While it’s unusual for a woman to commit suicide while naked and out in the open, sources said Zahau slept in the nude.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Coronado-Mansion-Mystery-a-Suicide-Source-128124368.html

The fact that she might sleep in nude has exactly zero relevance to proving she committed naked suicide.

I agree jjenny, I think the point being made was that the only one who would have that kind of personal information on RN is the source close to the investigation in the article. Possibility of PR spin.

That and I think the PR Firm was trying to connect un-connectable dots.

Here's the sentence again:

While it’s unusual for a woman to commit suicide while naked and out in the open, sources said Zahau slept in the nude.

Perhaps they were arguing that since RN "slept in the nude" (which implies ongoing habit), that when she decided to commit suicide in the middle of the night she was, therefore, nude and just went forward with her final act.

So, despite the fact that "it’s unusual for a woman to commit suicide while naked", she was already nude so it may not be so unusual in her case.

And, notice the additional lumping in of the "out in the open" phrase. Connecting another awkward dot.

[Again, this is speaking from the possible perspective of the PR Firm.]

 

[time]

Oh that is new information to me, time. I had not heard it confirmed that she slept naked.

imo

that was stated in the last article about sources saying it was a suicide. Many of us went, huh? Seems more curious they mentioned it in the article as info from a 'source' than as related to a reason she would have committed suicide naked. I don't know, her sleeping naked also seems more of a reason this would be a murder than a suicide also, e.g., she was grabbed in her sleep and perps are not going to bother putting clothes on a victim

 

[MyBelle]

Please note: The following links have all been posted before. Just adding them here for illustrative purposes.


So, as other posters have already put together:

8/18 SDCSD press release: “Information that didn’t come from this website or the Sheriff’s Homicide and Public Affairs Division, or the Coronado Police Department should not be relied upon.” http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/0818.pdf

- 8/18 CBS article: "Coronado mansion death: The suicide scenario" http://www.cbs8.com/story/15294873/coronado-mansion-death-the-suicide-scenario

- 8/20 NBC article: "Coronado Mansion Mystery a Suicide: Source" http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Coronado-Mansion-Mystery-a-Suicide-Source-128124368.html

- ? 8/22 So are we to expect the ABC “suicide” version tomorrow?

= ? Is the PR firm getting the suicide scenario out with possible supporting facts to “educate” potential jurists?

I'm a retired journalist and legit news organizations must follow guidelines that are in place with law enforcement. An unnamed source about a police investigation is someone within the police or city hall, imo. They're trying to diffuse those who are insisting it is a crime being covered up.

 

[deanna82437]

IMO intimates a parallel between Shacknai and John duPont, who shot and kiled friend in driveway of his historic Delaware mansion. May also suggest the convoluted business practices and shareholders problems of Alfred duPont. Or may just be salacious red herring from a bitter rival?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_duPont

Interesting read and comparison .. thanks for that link.

 

[time]

That and I think the PR Firm was trying to connect un-connectable dots.

Here's the sentence again:

While it’s unusual for a woman to commit suicide while naked and out in the open, sources said Zahau slept in the nude.

Perhaps they were arguing that since RN "slept in the nude" (which implies ongoing habit), that when she decided to commit suicide in the middle of the night she was, therefore, nude and just went forward with her final act.

So, despite the fact that "it’s unusual for a woman to commit suicide while naked", she was already nude so it may not be so unusual in her case.

And, notice the additional lumping in of the "out in the open" phrase. Connecting another awkward dot.

[Again, this is speaking from the possible perspective of the PR Firm.]

Excellent analysis ... but now I have to go look for that other connection you noted!

 

[time]

Ok Quester I looked it up

While it’s unusual for a woman to commit suicide while naked and out in the open, sources said Zahau slept in the nude.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44214448/ns/local_news-san_diego_ca/

Next thing maybe they will claim she slept naked out on the balcony.

My rearrangements: "While it’s unusual for a woman to commit suicide out in the open, sources said Zahau slept in the nude." or "While it’s unusual for a woman to sleep naked, sources said Zahau additionally commited suicide while naked and out in the open."

 

[jjenny]

That and I think the PR Firm was trying to connect un-connectable dots.

Here's the sentence again:

While it’s unusual for a woman to commit suicide while naked and out in the open, sources said Zahau slept in the nude.

Perhaps they were arguing that since RN "slept in the nude" (which implies ongoing habit), that when she decided to commit suicide in the middle of the night she was, therefore, nude and just went forward with her final act.

So, despite the fact that "it’s unusual for a woman to commit suicide while naked", she was already nude so it may not be so unusual in her case.

And, notice the additional lumping in of the "out in the open" phrase. Connecting another awkward dot.

[Again, this is speaking from the possible perspective of the PR Firm.]

I realize that is what implied. It doesn't make sense to me.
A lot of thought went into this supposed "suicide." She had to go get electrical cord, bind her hands and feet (and why feet?). Are they suggesting she wouldn't take time to put some clothes on? And by way, why feet? It would be hard to get on the table or jump of the balcony with bound feet. So why would she do it?

 

[jjenny]

that was stated in the last article about sources saying it was a suicide. Many of us went, huh? Seems more curious they mentioned it in the article as info from a 'source' than as related to a reason she would have committed suicide naked. I don't know, her sleeping naked also seems more of a reason this would be a murder than a suicide also, e.g., she was grabbed in her sleep and perps are not going to bother putting clothes on a victim

Exactly. If somebody attacked her as she was sleeping, she would be in the nude. And if that somebody bound her hands and feet, they wouldn't even be able to put her clothes on.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Hi Ocean!

That "naked" news was from yesterday's article put out by the PR Firm, strike that, NBC. It stated:

While it’s unusual for a woman to commit suicide while naked and out in the open, sources said Zahau slept in the nude.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Coronado-Mansion-Mystery-a-Suicide-Source-128124368.html

Hi there Quester!:seeya:

Thanks. I had missed reading that article.

IMO

 

[MyBelle]

I realize that is what implied. It doesn't make sense to me.
A lot of thought went into this supposed "suicide." She had to go get electrical cord, bind her hands and feet (and why feet?). Are they suggesting she wouldn't take time to put some clothes on? And by way, why feet? It would be hard to get on the table or jump of the balcony with bound feet. So why would she do it?

Why do you believe she had to "go get" the electrical cord? Maybe she used what was right in the room. Wasn't a scarf around her neck? I don't know why her feet were bound but I also don't know if she was under the influence of drugs.

 

[Morag]

Several posts have mentioned the PR effort to influence "potential jurists."

Jurist is a word used to refer to judges, generally.
A juror is not a jurist.



Pompously yours,

The Vocabulary Police

 

[Inobu]

More and more the bits and pieces of the story makes a scene. Everyone wonders how she ends up nude.

Based on a few tidbits in the last 24 hours one can reason and better understand the final images.

One would question if the assailant(s) forcing her to strip. The comment made by her sister concludes she spoke to her before/as she was preparing to sleep. If she sleeps in the nude then the situation is laid out.

If the assailant(s) barged in while she was asleep or preparing too then the circumstances are set. We can understand how or why she was nude. The question what happened next?

The Nude factor only has 4 options.

1. She took her close off.
2. She was forced to disrobe.
3. She was in/preparing to shower.
4. She was asleep in the nude.

So the simple question is did she take off her close to go to sleep or commit suicide?

Inobu

 

[Quester]

Several posts have mentioned the PR effort to influence "potential jurists."

Jurist is a word used to refer to judges, generally.
A juror is not a jurist.



Pompously yours,

The Vocabulary Police

Thanks, Morag!

That was my error and I appreciate the gentle and humorous correction!

 

[MyBelle]

More and more the bits and pieces of the story makes a scene. Everyone wonders how she ends up nude.

Based on a few tidbits in the last 24 hours one can reason and better understand the final images.

One would question if the assailant(s) forcing her to strip. The comment made by her sister concludes she spoke to her before/as she was preparing to sleep. If she sleeps in the nude then the situation is laid out.

If the assailant(s) barged in while she was asleep or preparing too then the circumstances are set. We can understand how or why she was nude. The question what happened next?

The Nude factor only has 4 options.

1. She took her close off.
2. She was forced to disrobe.
3. She was in/preparing to shower.
4. She was asleep in the nude.

So the simple question is did she take off her close to go to sleep or commit suicide?

Inobu

Simple answer is that she removed her clothes but couldn't sleep.