Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #6

[Kimster]

I'm still on the fence with this case. However, I'm going to ask Trish and the Mods to start a general thread about suicide. This thread alone (and I'm on the fence suicide/homicide) is indicative of the "generalizations" about suicide.

eta: each suicide is as unique as a fingerprint or DNA.

The Resource Center is a great place for that. Or if the thread is of a more personal nature, try the Jury Room in the private forums.

 

[defense101]

Great, the cops could have interviewed her then. The hospital still had a duty under Cali's Mandatory Reporting statute.

JMO.

Yes, but that is neither here nor there in this case, the police responded to the house.

 

[Kimster]

Kimster, this is such complex territory. If a community member posts regarding a opinion-based blog or citizen journalism site posting what are in essence rumors/unattributed statements about the case, or rumors embedded in fact, how is that not a rumor?

I ask this in all sincerity.

Blogs are reviewed by moderators on a case by case basis. Sometimes they run across these links on their own and other times members ask us to approve them. It depends on what Tricia calls "using common sense".

 

[CalElliot]

I'm still on the fence with this case. However, I'm going to ask Trish and the Mods to start a general thread about suicide. This thread alone (and I'm on the fence suicide/homicide) is indicative of the "generalizations" about suicide.

eta: each suicide is as unique as a fingerprint or DNA.

I suppose we could also go with a new thread limited to homicide, but why make this discussion partisan?

 

[CalElliot]

Well LE set up a special website for this particular case. So I have no doubt if LE rules this a suicide they will announce it.

Just out of curiosity, what makes the website "special"?

 

[jjenny]

Just out of curiosity, what makes the website "special"?

Not every case has a website set by police to watch for announcements. That makes it pretty special, don't you think?

 

[MyBelle]

Again, the hospital has to call cops if they suspect abuse. If the hospital called cops for every injured child brought in, parents would be afraid to bring their kids to the hospital.

It's a Mandatory law designed to protect children, not their parents or caregivers.

Why wouldn't the hospital suspect child abuse in Maxie's case? He was unconscious, had massive injuries that happened in his home while in the care of a non-parent.

If parents or anyone caring for a child are more afraid of their own hides than to obtain aid for a critically injured child, they will be prosecuted. That's a crime.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

If that is true, that's sad. Unless there was a legal reason to run it through his legal dept....

I think it has everything to do with the fact he runs a company. Don't want shareholders too nervous.

JMO

 

[jstwondering]

They are also allowed to say things that aren't true for their own purposes. I am in the "I believe it was a murder camp" and believe that if it were a suicide, LE would have made an announcement by now, not set up a specific web page to direct inquiries for this incident.

IMO, LE knows it was not a suicide and are carefully laying the groundwork for an arrest. My opinion is that LE is throwing out breadcrumbs and based on what information is "leaked off the record" someone may lower their defenses and slip up.

If you were the murderer and you thought that LE thought it was a suicide...you would act differently than if you thought LE was actively investigating and pursuing a suspect. But this is just all my own opinion, of course.

IMO. Agreed. So hypothetically, if someone responsible for a murder checked herself/himself into a psychiatric hospital and was ready to get back to her/his life, they might just do that if they though LE considered the murder a suicide.

 

[sdcali]

Well LE set up a special website for this particular case. So I have no doubt if LE rules this a suicide they will announce it.

I agree 100%. I'm speaking about other suicides and am only saying that when the average Joe kills himself without harm to anyone or garnering any publicity in that act, will not be published. And it happens every day.

 

[defense101]

It's a Mandatory law designed to protect children, not their parents or caregivers.

Why wouldn't the hospital suspect child abuse in Maxie's case? He was unconscious, had massive injuries that happened in his home while in the care of a non-parent.

If parents or anyone caring for a child are more afraid of their own hides than to obtain aid for a critically injured child, they will be prosecuted. That's a crime.

JMO

To be honest we don't know what MS's injuries were, he wasn't breathing when LE arrived, that could be as simple as a broken neck, not that that isn't a massive injury. When I was young a friend of mine fell off a motorcycle, it wasn't moving but because of a rock on the ground it broke his neck and he died instantly. If we hadn't been so far out in the country they could have probably done the same thing they did with MS and kept him alive but the end result would have been the same. imo the police who responded to the call could detect from what they were told at the house whether the injuries were consistent with what they were told by the two females and believed it to be an accident. The fact remains they did not investigate MS's accident until after the death of RN.

 

[MyBelle]

They are also allowed to say things that aren't true for their own purposes. I am in the "I believe it was a murder camp" and believe that if it were a suicide, LE would have made an announcement by now, not set up a specific web page to direct inquiries for this incident.

IMO, LE knows it was not a suicide and are carefully laying the groundwork for an arrest. My opinion is that LE is throwing out breadcrumbs and based on what information is "leaked off the record" someone may lower their defenses and slip up.

If you were the murderer and you thought that LE thought it was a suicide...you would act differently than if you thought LE was actively investigating and pursuing a suspect. But this is just all my own opinion, of course.

Cops are not allowed to use the media to say things that are not true. That's why it is called Freedom of the Press. No link so jmo.

IMO, the delays in this case aren't about Rebecca's death, they are about Maxie's. His death was entirely preventable imo.

 

[sdcali]

IMO. Agreed. So hypothetically, if someone responsible for a murder checked herself/himself into a psychiatric hospital and was ready to get back to her/his life, they might just do that if they though LE considered the murder a suicide.

Hypothetically...BINGO.

 

[jjenny]

Cops are not allowed to use the media to say things that are not true. That's why it is called Freedom of the Press. No link so jmo.

IMO, the delays in this case aren't about Rebecca's death, they are about Maxie's. His death was entirely preventable imo.

His death was preventable? And how so? It's called an accident for a reason. And frankly there is absolutely nothing to suggest the delays in the case of RN have anything at all to do with Max's death. Police seem to believe it was an accident, nothing more.

 

[defense101]

Cops are not allowed to use the media to say things that are not true. That's why it is called Freedom of the Press. No link so jmo.

IMO, the delays in this case aren't about Rebecca's death, they are about Maxie's. His death was entirely preventable imo.

SDSD are investigating RN's death not MS's.

 

[MyBelle]

To be honest we don't know what MS's injuries were, he wasn't breathing when LE arrived, that could be as simple as a broken neck, not that that isn't a massive injury. When I was young a friend of mine fell off a motorcycle, it wasn't moving but because of a rock on the ground it broke his neck and he died instantly. If we hadn't been so far out in the country they could have probably done the same thing they did with MS and kept him alive but the end result would have been the same. imo the police who responded to the call could detect from what they were told at the house whether the injuries were consistent with what they were told by the two females and believed it to be an accident. The fact remains they did not investigate MS's accident until after the death of RN.

Mandatory reporting is law in California. To determine if it was an accident required police to at least ask questions. Has it occurred to you that the reason they decided to investigate Maxie's accident is because they didn't believe RN's version of events? If I was his parent, I sure wouldn't just accept that it was an accident. RN wasn't his parent and kids don't routinesly suffer massive, fatal injuries in their own homes.

JMO

 

[sdcali]

Cops are not allowed to use the media to say things that are not true. That's why it is called Freedom of the Press. No link so jmo.

IMO, the delays in this case aren't about Rebecca's death, they are about Maxie's. His death was entirely preventable imo.

"off the record" I think they can.

Maxie's death may have been preventable, but IMO, there was not criminal basis for an investigation. I believe that they are looking at Maxie's death in connection with RN's death and possible motive.

 

[MyBelle]

His death was preventable? And how so? It's called an accident for a reason. And frankly there is absolutely nothing to suggest the delays in the case of RN have anything at all to do with Max's death. Police seem to believe it was an accident, nothing more.

Where have police said Maxie's death was an accident and nothing more? Link please. Thanks.

 

[sdcali]

Okay folks...gotta hit the hay...5 a.m. comes too soon as it is. G'night!

 

[MyBelle]

"off the record" I think they can.

Maxie's death may have been preventable, but IMO, there was not criminal basis for an investigation. I believe that they are looking at Maxie's death in connection with RN's death and possible motive.

I think they can't and we'll have to agree to disagree.