Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #6

[Inobu]

That's just your opinion.

I haven't seen LE or ME rule Maxie's death a tragic accident. I have seen the reports they decided to look into his death and are investigating. You are stating facts that haven't even been released.

I don't think it is an opinion. Tragic accidents happen a lot. There was a story where a mom left the house got into the SUV and backed over her child. No one knew the child went behind the car. Tragic. I personally know someone that did the same thing. There is nothing you can do or say it was an accident.

Inobu

 

[jjenny]

That's just your opinion.

I haven't seen LE or ME rule Maxie's death a tragic accident. I have seen the reports they decided to look into his death and are investigating. You are stating facts that haven't even been released.

I've provided a link already with a quote from a police spokes person stating they are approaching his death as an accident. I don't know why that is not satisfactory to you.

 

[MyBelle]

Firstly RN wasn't the only person there, there was another female there as well. I never stated MS's accident the way you wrote, but in the end it was an accident and in accidents justice isn't looked for, and if it was then you could look to those who wanted justice ie "witnesses" imo

Was the other female present an adult? I'm sorry but I don't automatically believe any event that results in lethal injuries to a child is an accident and I seriously, seriously doubt cops would have decided to take a relook without good reason to do so.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

I've provided a link already with a quote from a police spokes person stating they are approaching his death as an accident. I don't know why that is not satisfactory to you. Do you know any information the rest of us don't?

I was hoping for a more recent link. Just because a cop says they are approaching it as an accident doesn't mean they have concluded it was.

 

[jjenny]

I was hoping for a more recent link. Just because a cop says they are approaching it as an accident doesn't mean they have concluded it was.

Well we can probably thank a PR firm for not having many articles recently, can't we?

 

[MyBelle]

I don't think it is an opinion. Tragic accidents happen a lot. There was a story where a mom left the house got into the SUV and backed over her child. No one knew the child went behind the car. Tragic. I personally know someone that did the same thing. There is nothing you can do or say it was an accident.

Inobu

Accidents are still investigated and cops haven't released their findings about Maxie. Max died inside the house so I'm not seeing the comparison. I know of many cases where child care providers have been prosecuted for the deaths of children in their care. I know of many cases where parents were not prosecuted even though the accident was their fault. Losing the child is considered punishment enough in many cases and I'm okay with that. But Max was not RN's child and he and his parents also deserve justice imo.

 

[MyBelle]

Well we can probably thank a PR firm for not having many articles recently, can't we?

PR firms don't control the release of info from cops and they sure don't control the media, imo.

 

[Inobu]

Was the other female present an adult? I'm sorry but I don't automatically believe any event that results in lethal injuries to a child is an accident and I seriously, seriously doubt cops would have decided to take a relook without good reason to do so.

JMO

You touch on a point that I can attest to. I recalled getting yelled at for playing around the stairs as a child. My mom told me that "you can kill or paralyze yourself and then what are you going to do". She even said that she might take here time tending to me because she warned me.

With stairs children see a slicky slide while adults see it as a potential death trap.

Inobu

 

[MyBelle]

You touch on a point that I can attest to. I recalled getting yelled at for playing around the stairs as a child. My mom told me that "you can kill or paralyze yourself and then what are you going to do". She even said that she might take here time tending to me because she warned me.

With stairs children see a slicky slide while adults see it as a potential death trap.

Inobu

It IS a potential death trap. A fall involving stairs is what killed Max. That's why children require supervision. Lack of supervision is considered negligence.

JMO

 

[jjenny]

Accidents are still investigated and cops haven't released their findings about Maxie. Max died inside the house so I'm not seeing the comparison. I know of many cases where child care providers have been prosecuted for the deaths of children in their care. I know of many cases where parents were not prosecuted even though the accident was their fault. Losing the child is considered punishment enough in many cases and I'm okay with that. But Max was not RN's child and he and his parents also deserve justice imo.

I am really curious as to how do you think his parents could have possibly gotten justice if police has viewed his death nothing but a tragic accident?

 

[defense101]

I have not seen any LE or ME recently state that MS's death was an accident so how about a link? Thanks.

I can only go by what LE has released: RN was the only adult home at the time his injuries took place and LE decided to investigate Maxie's incident. I also know from my own experience that LE does not re-investigate an accident unless they have reason to believe it wasn't an accident.


JMO

coronado police say at this link

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15075598/...ths-of-coronado-mansion-owners-son-girlfriend

on page 5 first video, there is and interview with the coronado police chief in which he said that then they didn't believe it was anything but an accident and that they now don't believe it was anything but an accident

 

[jjenny]

It IS a potential death trap. A fall involving stairs is what killed Max. That's why children require supervision. Lack of supervision is considered negligence.

JMO

There are many many people who die or severley injured in all kind of accidents. I assure you in plenty of these cases there is no justice to be gotten, <modsnip>? Again, how would someone get justice for an accident?

 

[MyBelle]

I am really curious as to how do you think his parents could have possibly gotten justice if police has viewed his death nothing but a tragic accident?

I don't believe police have concluded Max's death was a tragic accident.

 

[Inobu]

It IS a potential death trap. A fall involving stairs is what killed Max. That's why children require supervision. Lack of supervision is considered negligence.

JMO

As we have this conversation I reflect back. My mom and dad made my little sister walk down the stairs one step at a time and she had to hold the rail. I was older and remember they made a big deal out of it.

I forgot all about that.

Stair safety starts with the parents as I said I can attest to it.

Getting late for me................

Inobu

 

[Salem]

STOP the bickering NOW or I'll lock the thread.

Salem

 

[MyBelle]

As we have this conversation I reflect back. My mom and dad made my little sister walk down the stairs one step at a time and she had to hold the rail. I was older and remember they made a big deal out of it.

I forgot all about that.

Stair safety starts with the parents as I said I can attest to it.

Getting late for me................

Inobu

Stairs as a hazard without question, imo.

Good night...

 

[CalElliot]

Perhaps there will be new LE information tomorrow. Meanwhile, below an interesting comment coming from Coronado Patch reader (see comments). Putting myself in the Zahau family's shoes, and going with RZ's sister's POV that RZ did not commit suicide, how would I begin to deal with this situation? How would I possibly be able to represent RZ in lawsuit against, say, any of the POI should they turn out to be charged?

If LE says it's suicide, can the family challenge that? Will a high-profile lawyer step up to take on RZ cause on contingency basis?

"Maybe it is time for us to reach out to Rebecca's family to help them navigate through all this BS and get to the bottom of things?"

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/...ves-reasonably-confident-zahau-killed-herself

 

[dasqm]

http://www.examiner.com/us-headline...millionaire-who-s-silent-about-mansion-deaths

Perhaps I read this wrong, but isn't KJ the ex-wife of JS? This article does not read that way to me. Just being curious .. SO many questions and interpretations .. JMO

I concur with you, KJ was the 1st wife of JS. Prior to marriage, JS & KJ were employed at competitive pharmaceutical companies. On their Honeymoon JS suggested to DS/DR that perhaps their marriage had been a mistake. JS & KJ have 2 teenagers...a boy and a girl. I do believe KJ stated that despite a long and acrimonious divorce JS was a good Father. As I recall, it was JS's 2nd wife DS/DR who has the PSY D. Sounds like some of the familial info got scrambled up here.

 

[dasqm]

Insightful, comprehensive, informative, succinct, synopsis. Great reference sheet. Two facts I wasn't cognizant of are the following:

-Fri July 15 GS posts on FB "Maxie RIP"
-Wed Aug 17 FB page: " Gabby Shacknai Photograph" posted picture of MS
-? date/whom FB page: "The Shacknai Shack "(? JS Scottsdale home?)
Did she really call RN "evil" - if so, did she want RN gone? Why did she fly home so soon rather than staying at bedside?

IMO, often teenagers assume the position of a parent rather than forming their own opinions. Based on that sentiment, did you know whether GS's mother KJ harbored ill will/disgust toward RN?
This is also the first that I've learned that GS posted a picture of MS on MS

I'd be interested in further elaboration of the above 2 comments for a myriad of reasons. In part: If GS considered RN "evil" I can't help but conjecture from whence her opinion originated. Regardless, it must have been sheer misery for RN & GS to be in each other's company. IMO, negative tension/stressors are perceptible to all family members regardless how young a sibling/child may be. If GS made that comment about RN, I can't imagine the family unit was healthy & well adjusted but instead I would expect dysfunction involving all the estranged and current members. I don't perceive how GS feeling RN was evil could be isolated. IMO, other family members would be privy to GS's feelings about RN. In which case, why would JS leave them alone together without other adult supervision? Not a good idea, IMO.
There is speculation that GS may have been present during the MS's accidental fall. If that's the case, it would make sense that she would be overwhelmed by the experience & perfectly understandable that she would try to memoralize MS in her own teenage way (i.e.) fb.

 

[dasqm]

Wasn't the child scheduled for an MRI for that morning? If she supposedly killed herself because she felt so guilty, the child was not even dead yet.

IMO, I believe it was undeniably evident to all family members from the moment emergency personnel made their medical assessment of MS as a result of his fall, if not sooner, that MS was brain dead. IMO, the medical diagnosis was equivalent to death; perhaps, even more painful to process than death because JS & DS knew full well it was their call to pull MS's life support. I believe ultimately JS & DS/DR understood immediately they would be responsible for determining how much longer MS lived based on the medical decisions they made on behalf of MS from that point forward. Because JS & DS/DR decided to have MS donate his organs, I believe they had no other option but to keep MS alive until his organs were removed and all respective compatible recipients were contacted. What a terrible burden for parents. I imagine JS & DS/DR were devastated emotionally, physically & psychologically yet despite their desperate state of being it was necessary for them to proceed with the task of MS's final arrangements immediately. IMO, the reason MS was kept alive beyond the date of his balcony fall was because of the decision that JS & DS made to donate MS's organs. Therefore, when I read comments that MS died after RN...well, I think for all intents and purposes the fall really killed MS right then and there. After that point, JS & DS were consumed with making MS's final arrangements. So, I think JS & DS clearly knew MS's fate was death before the passing of RN. IMO, MS died immediately from the fall from the balcony...his actual date of death was almost symbolic in my mind.