Rescue at sea for sick baby

[Linda7NJ]

No words for those two. We lost our boat! We lost our DREAMS and TRAJECTORY! They should be grateful their daughters are alive.

They never expected to find themselves in such a situation? Really? I would think that anyone who intentionally put themselves in the situation of galavanting around the ocean with two very ill toddlers and no crew in a less than seaworthy boat would think that MAYBE, just MAYBE, such a thing could happen.

And another thing, responsible adults can purchase something called insurance. You can insure your car, home, apartment, or your life. Shoot, you can even get insurance for your pets. But sailing across an ocean it never occurred to them that they could get into trouble? Or that they should insure their "home, dreams, and trajectory?"

Yet they still feel they did nothing wrong and we should all feel sorry for them. And you know what? I WOULD feel sorry for them if they weren't such entitled, arrogant, irresponsible, and the world owes them kind of people.

Chase your dreams but be able to afford them and don't endanger your children or other people. If you want to run with the big dogs you can't pee like a puppy.

GROW UP

Had to add the irony isn't lost on me that I said I had no words for those two and then proceeded to have a LOT of words for them lol

Any normal parent would be shaken to their very core ....and feeling guilty.....with the realization that their decisions could have killed them all. That they're incredibly lucky to be alive, especially the child that was so ill.
A normal person would have difficultly processing that fact.


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[MyBelle]

That blog entry annoys me to no end....it sounds like nothing but a sympathy ploy for money. tugging at the public's heart strings, expecting everyone to rally around them with contributions. Maybe I'm jaded and cynical but I sure am suspicious of their motives in all of this.

I'm wondering why other adults don't step in and help this clueless mother connect the dots.

 

[Lilibet]

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No words for those two. We lost our boat! We lost our DREAMS and TRAJECTORY! They should be grateful their daughters are alive.

And another thing, responsible adults can purchase something called insurance.

Discussion about insurance on Cruisers Forum. http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f109/insurance-124296.html

If you want to run with the big dogs you can't pee like a puppy.

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Any normal parent would be shaken to their very core ....and feeling guilty.....with the realization that their decisions could have killed them all. That they're incredibly lucky to be alive, especially the child that was so ill.
A normal person would have difficultly processing that fact.

Agreed.

I'm wondering why other adults don't step in and help this clueless mother connect the dots.

She won't listen and doesn't think she needs help. According to Charlotte's blog, people who gave her advice before the trip were "unsupportive." I suspect that no one is allowed into her life who will "rock her boat." (Sorry, I couldn't resist). Her friends are telling her what a strong person and wonderful mother she is. She has been quite nasty both before and after the trip to anyone who questions her. She doesn't appear to be capable of the self-examination required to "change course." (There I go again!) All punning aside, I just don't see that she would accept help, unless she is forced.

 

[MyBelle]

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Discussion about insurance on Cruisers Forum. http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f109/insurance-124296.html



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Agreed.



She won't listen and doesn't think she needs help. According to Charlotte's blog, people who gave her advice before the trip were "unsupportive." I suspect that no one is allowed into her life who will "rock her boat." (Sorry, I couldn't resist). Her friends are telling her what a strong person and wonderful mother she is. She has been quite nasty both before and after the trip to anyone who questions her. She doesn't appear to be capable of the self-examination required to "change course." (There I go again!) All punning aside, I just don't see that she would accept help, unless she is forced.

She had a baby so ill she was airlifted just three weeks ago yet she posts a photo of the same child asleep on top of her sister with her head and hands within inches of her sister's bare feet. Her friends apparently are her enablers as is her husband. Such attitudes endanger children.

I have a feeling the woman is rapidly reaching the point where she will not be given choices when it comes to the health and care of her children.

 

[redheadedgal]

how odd if there was no insurance... eric even blogs about helping a friend obtain insurance for his boat and then mentions asking the agent about "cruising insurance":

http://www.therebelheart.com/blog/2010/10/25/good-bluewater-boat-insurance-guy.html

if they had insurance, is it possible the insurance co. wouldn't pay out b/c the boat was purposely sunk?

 

[1&2&3]

That blog entry annoys me to no end....it sounds like nothing but a sympathy ploy for money. tugging at the public's heart strings, expecting everyone to rally around them with contributions. Maybe I'm jaded and cynical but I sure am suspicious of their motives in all of this.

You said this so well! Plus, the picture with the two girls in the same pack-n-play?! Give me a break, Cora is old enough to sleep on a pile of blankets in the floor if nothing else is available. That crib is way too small for both girls. Wonder whose crazy idea this was? :banghead:

 

[Lilibet]

how odd if there was no insurance... eric even blogs about helping a friend obtain insurance for his boat and then mentions asking the agent about "cruising insurance":

http://www.therebelheart.com/blog/2010/10/25/good-bluewater-boat-insurance-guy.html

if they had insurance, is it possible the insurance co. wouldn't pay out b/c the boat was purposely sunk?

I read a comment on a different CF thread that you can't get insurance for an ocean crossing unless you have three competent crew members. If this is true, they couldn't have gotten it. I imagine purposely sinking the boat would also invalidate the policy. Several friends on CF offered to help bring it back, but by then it was already gone.

 

[Snoods]

I read a comment on a different CF thread that you can't get insurance for an ocean crossing unless you have three competent crew members. If this is true, they couldn't have gotten it. I imagine purposely sinking the boat would also invalidate the policy. Several friends on CF offered to help bring it back, but by then it was already gone.

Ahhh, okay, thanks for that information. That's quite a risk for them to take.

 

[Hoosgirl]

Heads up that This American Life on NPR may have a story/interview on Rebel Heart weekend of May 10th!

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[Hoosgirl]

Update: will air May 9th

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/525/seeking-outside-help

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[Lilibet]

Another person's blog post about the Kaufman's was shared today on Rebel Heart's FB page. My personal opinion is that all the advantages of cruising with kids could have been achieved by waiting a few more years and getting more experience by sailing closer to shore. Unfortunately, those of us taking a reasonable approach to the Kaufman's situation are accused of wanting to keep our kids in a bubble. That simply isn't true. You can expose your kids to lots of experiences at an appropriate age. Taking them on grand adventures when they are in diapers and dependent on you for everything teaches them nothing except that Mom and Dad put their own goals first. Even Charlotte said in one of her blogs that three years old would be the best minimum age for a trip like theirs.

This quote really exemplies the either/or thinking of the Kaufman's supporters. Such flawed logic.

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[SophieRose]

Years ago I was hiking with friends in the Sierras when we encountered a group of people coming down the mountain. A woman was carrying a baby and we asked what was wrong. They said that they had backpacked into a camp and the baby was fine the first day but the second day started getting altitude and heat sickness. There were probably about six in the group and the father was carrying his and his wife's backpacks while she carried the baby. Now who goes up into the mountains with a baby, especially for several days, a baby that wasn't even walking.

 

[MyBelle]

Years ago I was hiking with friends in the Sierras when we encountered a group of people coming down the mountain. A woman was carrying a baby and we asked what was wrong. They said that they had backpacked into a camp and the baby was fine the first day but the second day started getting altitude and heat sickness. There were probably about six in the group and the father was carrying his and his wife's backpacks while she carried the baby. Now who goes up into the mountains with a baby, especially for several days, a baby that wasn't even walking.

Does nobody except my adult children park the kiddies with Grammie while they go hiking, sailing, etc? I'm pretty adept at providing a pots and pans drawer to quench that 'sense of adventure.'

JMO

 

[SwampMama]

Another person's blog post about the Kaufman's was shared today on Rebel Heart's FB page. My personal opinion is that all the advantages of cruising with kids could have been achieved by waiting a few more years and getting more experience by sailing closer to shore. Unfortunately, those of us taking a reasonable approach to the Kaufman's situation are accused of wanting to keep our kids in a bubble. That simply isn't true. You can expose your kids to lots of experiences at an appropriate age. Taking them on grand adventures when they are in diapers and dependent on you for everything teaches them nothing except that Mom and Dad put their own goals first. Even Charlotte said in one of her blogs that three years old would be the best minimum age for a trip like theirs.

This quote really exemplies the either/or thinking of the Kaufman's supporters. Such flawed logic.

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BBM, without judging the parenting, we can look at the SITUATION that E&C CHOSE to put their children in. Most parents want the BEST for their child, including SAFETY. They would not put their children at risk in such a situation.

E&C were heckbent on putting their children in a very sketchy (at best) situation so daddy could have bragging rights and mommy could write a blog about being an adventurer.

What possible benefit does and infant get from being on a cramped, rocky boat where her sleep is disrupted because the boat is rocking so violently. Infants need proper sleep as do young children. If the baby was nauseated, could she tell mommy? NO because she is too young. Does the baby see this as an adventure? NO, babies don't want adventure, they want security.

Had E&C been competent, experienced sailors, AND had a larger and seaworthy boat, then I would not have such an objection. Most parents love to spoil and pamper their children, and sacrifice so that their children are comfortable.

But E&C aren't about to let a lil thing like their children's comfort bother them.

 

[redheadedgal]

eric's most recent blog entry, including sharing about the $20,000 of unsolicited funds raised for them

http://www.therebelheart.com/blog/2014/4/30/captains-log-april-30-2014.html

 

[CHERIE.T]

BBM, without judging the parenting, we can look at the SITUATION that E&C CHOSE to put their children in. Most parents want the BEST for their child, including SAFETY. They would not put their children at risk in such a situation.

E&C were heckbent on putting their children in a very sketchy (at best) situation so daddy could have bragging rights and mommy could write a blog about being an adventurer.

What possible benefit does and infant get from being on a cramped, rocky boat where her sleep is disrupted because the boat is rocking so violently. Infants need proper sleep as do young children. If the baby was nauseated, could she tell mommy? NO because she is too young. Does the baby see this as an adventure? NO, babies don't want adventure, they want security.

Had E&C been competent, experienced sailors, AND had a larger and seaworthy boat, then I would not have such an objection. Most parents love to spoil and pamper their children, and sacrifice so that their children are comfortable.

But E&C aren't about to let a lil thing like their children's comfort bother them.

SMA.
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[momrids6]

eric's most recent blog entry, including sharing about the $20,000 of unsolicited funds raised for them

http://www.therebelheart.com/blog/2014/4/30/captains-log-april-30-2014.html

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[JerseyGirl]

eric's most recent blog entry, including sharing about the $20,000 of unsolicited funds raised for them

http://www.therebelheart.com/blog/2014/4/30/captains-log-april-30-2014.html

Oh please, he's still crying over that boat. Boo-hoo-hoo.

Grow up, get a job, and sink that $20k into the kids' college education.

... Don't worry, we have a bigger bed for Cora now:

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[LaLaw2000]

I've mostly been silent on this thread, but just have to ask a question. Does it bother anyone else that those kids were in a carrier strapped to Charlotte and Eric so much of the time? Baby L. was in a carrier so much of the time that in a pic where she was lying on the seat at the table on the boat, her little feet and legs were still turned outward as if still in the carrier. She seemed to either be pressed to Charlotte's chest or back or to Eric's most of the time. And I won't even get started on the playpen pic where those babies were having to sleep all over each other! At least little Cora had grown enough to be able to get about on her own.

I have absolutely no problem with the amount of money the rescue cost for the babies' sake. Their little lives cannot be measured in money. I do have a major problem with those babies having been where they were to begin with.

It seems to me that Charlotte was enabling Eric to live his dream without really being that into it herself. They were both selfish, IMO, and never gave a thought about how their children might be able to 'weather' the storms that might arise. They were all running headlong into the unknown and dragging their precious babies along with them.

I'm still very angry at Eric and Charlotte at placing their babies in such adverse circumstances. They should have to take parenting classes, IMO.

Now this is all I have to say about that!

MOO"S

 

[Lilibet]

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I'm still very angry at Eric and Charlotte at placing their babies in such adverse circumstances. They should have to take parenting classes, IMO.

Now this is all I have to say about that!

MOO"S

Your comment about parenting classes reminded me of the experience of a young Mom I know in San Diego. The has three boys and is a wonderful mother to them. One day, with a houseful of relatives visiting, she ran to the store, and forgot that her one year old was in the back seat. She came out to find the police there and her car surrounded by angry people. Her baby was fine, thankfully. She was absolutely crushed that she had made such a terrible mistake. She could not believe that she had gotten so distracted that she had forgotten him.

CPS got involved. She was monitored by a social worker, and as I recall, for awhile she wasn't allowed to be alone with him. Although she was mortified and heartsick about what she had done, she wasn't defensive or angry. She understood that they were being protective of her baby because of her potentially tragic mistake. CPS had no way of knowing that she hadn't left him in the car on purpose.

At the very least, I would hope that CPS would interview the Kaufmans. Taking their baby on this voyage was a choice, not an awful mistake by a distracted Mom.