Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 1/15 thru 1/20 Break

[Madeleine74]

I'm in the minority, I guess, of people who believe that it's never okay to hit a child for any reason. My parents did not believe in spanking, either. All of their children grew up with plenty of self discipline and respect for others.

That said, I don't believe JA was abused by her parents. I don't believe anyone—ever—choked her into unconsciousness and I have real doubts about the wooden spoons in her mom's purse and her mom's acrylic nails.

I believe the same thing, my kindred spirit friend. That goes for children AND pets, btw. It is never, never never okay to ever hit an animal. Ever. They learn absolutely nothing from it. That's abuse. As for spanking kids, I was spanked as a child and it was absolutely humiliating for me. Violence doesn't teach anyone anything but to use violence to deal with problems. There are so many techniques available to teach a child not to do something ever again. However, even if you want to spank your children, which is your purview as a parent, do not ever do that to any pet. /offSoapBox.

As for Arias specifically, she probably was hit and slapped and other things too. HOWEVER, that still doesn't give license to murder someone. That's the connection. Lots of kids were mistreated by their parents but the law doesn't give anyone the right to then go out and murder. And to drive 1,000 miles with a plan to do it. No. Just no.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Absolutely not where I grew up. Kids were (rarely) spanked by their parent's hand, but hitting a child with anything else was seen as unacceptable - though not unheard of. And I worked in a school in the 80s and teacher or principal would have been fired for using a wooden paddle (or any such instrument) on a student. Rightly, so, IMO.

Funny. My children grew up in the 80's. And the principals in all the schools had paddles and the support of parents touse them if needed. Most had parents who took care of the spanking and it wasn't needed. No school shootings, knifings, and such.

 

[Luvrosco]

Won't be a mistrial. If the jury doesn't vote to give her Death, JSS sentences her to life.

If they hang, are you saying it automatically goes to JSS to decide?

 

[ZoeyW]

Linda Ballard reads a poem Travis wrote to her. Linda is the girl he bought the engagement ring for, that Jodi Arias "took" from him. Dr. De Marte got that in. Love her.

All The Best by Travis Alexander

http://youtu.be/w8o8w5QraIU?list=PLDPHBTvpaRXgs8DzmU2d0f-H8JNUhXW6A

 

[LinasK]

If they hang, are you saying it automatically goes to JSS to decide?

Yes it does.

 

[cindymac]

BBM

Her parents should have known that it's all about Jodi.

I agree with the previous poster who finds it remarkable that her parents are still alive.

Hey, maybe that's mitigating factor #10; i.e., Jodi didn't butcher or shoot her parents.

BBM

... after checking their life insurance.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Linda Ballard reads a poem Travis wrote to her. Linda is the girl he bought the engagement ring for, that Jodi Arias "took" from him. Dr. De Marte got that in. Love her.

All The Best by Travis Alexander

http://youtu.be/w8o8w5QraIU?list=PLDPHBTvpaRXgs8DzmU2d0f-H8JNUhXW6A

Wow never heard it before. I wish she could read that to this jury!

 

[ZoeyW]

If the jury cannot come to a unanimous decision, the judge will give her Life Without Possibility of Parole. There will be years and years of appeals, regardless. Plus the family has a wrongful death suit pending too. For the family this will never end. Ever.

For trial watchers, we are looking at mid March.
Neither mom, pop nor a sibling will take the stand.

Juan has a computer expert,

Dr. DeMarte, PHD
http://youtu.be/JKa6MxK9FOg?list=PL_Rz53XTtnkEf4qetcdaEwSY00mKCOoYo
Jodi does not have PTSD, she does not have Battered Women's Syndrome
She diagnosed her on Axis II with Borderline Personality Disorder

Dr. Jill Hayes, PHD, testimony
http://youtu.be/EoH54JODwMQ?t=21m40s
( she took Jen to school about a number of things including floating profiles, and disproved Jen's assertion that Dr. De Marte scored tests wrong and had a poor understanding of the tests. Indeed she confirmed Dr. De Marte's position. Jen argued with her. She shut her down by quoting the test publisher who she spoke to prior to trial. )

a couple of Travis' friends
then rebuttal....only God knows what that will be.
This time the defense gets the last word.
Due to the fact they do not have full work weeks let alone full work days, I do think this is going into March.

http://youtu.be/oStZf6IEHJ8?list=PLDPHBTvpaRXgs8DzmU2d0f-H8JNUhXW6A

I have NEVER for one second thought this judge favored Jodi. She will come down as hard on her as the law allows. That I have faith in. She cannot stand Kirk Nurmi either. Just my opinion, of course.

 

[Deleted member 122533]

See I think JM will bat clean up and the jury will see through this mess. I don't think there is any choice but to give her death. If she doesn't deserve death for the heinous over kill and torture she put him through, who does??? Juan has put a woman on Death Row in AZ and I think he'll do it again.

I agree. The jury will have no trouble seeing through her lies and torturous manipulations. I have had some criticisms of Judge Stephens, losing patience with her on timing issues but I genuinely believe she is trying her very best. I like her very much and hope that the outcome provides insight and validation for JSS' actions.

Reading CMJA' descriptions of childhood abuse was excruciating for me. She isn't a 'Convicted Murderer Called It'. I felt that she was betraying children from abusive families in the same way she insulted genuine victims of domestic violence. I wouldn't smack a child but some parents do. Her home life and schooling sound stable. She was well provided for. There were no hospital visits or doctor's reports of abuse for Arias. Parental discipline was within normal family ranges and does not excuse a traffic violation, never mind slaughter of an innocent man.

 

[LinasK]

I have NEVER for one second thought this judge favored Jodi. She will come down as hard on her as the law allows. That I have faith in. She cannot stand Kirk Nurmi either. Just my opinion, of course.

I completely agree.

 

[Love Never Fails]

If the jury cannot come to a unanimous decision, the judge will give her Life Without Possibility of Parole. There will be years and years of appeals, regardless. Plus the family has a wrongful death suit pending too. For the family this will never end. Ever.

For trial watchers, we are looking at mid March.
Neither mom, pop nor a sibling will take the stand.
Juan has a computer expert, Dr. De Marte, Dr. Haynes, a couple of Travis' friends
then rebuttal....only God knows what that will be.
This time the defense gets the last word.
Due to the fact they do not have full work weeks let alone full work days, I do think this is going into March.

http://youtu.be/oStZf6IEHJ8?list=PLDPHBTvpaRXgs8DzmU2d0f-H8JNUhXW6A

I have NEVER for one second thought this judge favored Jodi. She will come down as hard on her as the law allows. That I have faith in. She cannot stand Kirk Nurmi either. Just my opinion, of course.

I have forgotten. Who is Dr. Haynes? Thanks.

 

[bsk]

I have to tell you something, ask you all something actually. Wasn't it quite common in the 60s, 70s and 80s for a parent to paddle or spank a child? It was where I grew up. Indeed all the way up through the 80s the principals were permitted to spank, with......a wooden paddle. Why does Jodi think this will sound like child abuse?

Every time I see your avitar of the spoon it makes me wonder didn't kids get spanked with worse? My mom didn't actually go purchase a paddle, she would tell us "Bring me a switch". Literally we would go pull down a switch, she could remove those leaves with one quick swoop. On top of that...we often got our spanking right on the front porch. "If you want to act up / show off in front of your friends then you can take your punishment in front of them", she told us. It worked! Additionally, a couple of the neighbor mom's had permission to correct us as well. One time my brother skipped school and he was made to be on the very public city strip of our yard digging holes with a shovel. They were just mindless holes, dig them, fill them up. It only went on for fifteen minutes but since it was at the time the kids were walking home from school, he would have much rather just got her a switch. Certainly. She told him if you don't do well in school.....this is the type of work you will be doing. He is successful and well regarded. He tells that story publicly now, with a fondness only time can bring. Times have changed since then I know and people don't correct their children this way. Now.

The thing is....as Maya Angelou once beautifully put it, "You did what you knew, THEN. When you knew better, you DID better". In those times of her youth, getting a swat with a spoon would have been acceptable. Right?

NSFW warning. As I recall, right after this he said if your grandma told you to bring her a switch and you didn't bring back one that was big enough, she'd go out and come back with the whole tree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPMwN1_vEjM

 

[DebinGA]

I have forgotten. Who is Dr. Haynes? Thanks.

Dr. Jill Hayes was JM's last witness in first trial. Very Southern, on faculty at LSU, charming, attractive blonde who demolished Samuels' PTSD diagnosis ... among other things

 

[Nali87]

Won't be a mistrial. If the jury doesn't vote to give her Death, JSS sentences her to life.

Wel mistrial as in hung jury. It will be considered a mistrial if this jury hangs, won't it? And then JSS will decide?

 

[MeeBee]

I believe the same thing, my kindred spirit friend. That goes for children AND pets, btw. It is never, never never okay to ever hit an animal. Ever. They learn absolutely nothing from it. That's abuse. As for spanking kids, I was spanked as a child and it was absolutely humiliating for me. Violence doesn't teach anyone anything but to use violence to deal with problems. There are so many techniques available to teach a child not to do something ever again. However, even if you want to spank your children, which is your purview as a parent, do not ever do that to any pet. /offSoapBox.

As for Arias specifically, she probably was hit and slapped and other things too. HOWEVER, that still doesn't give license to murder someone. That's the connection. Lots of kids were mistreated by their parents but the law doesn't give anyone the right to then go out and murder. And to drive 1,000 miles with a plan to do it. No. Just no.

BBM: I completely, 110% agree!!!

I have a daughter and have never once hit, spanked, or slapped her, not even a swat on the hand. That's not how kids learn, IMO. It's unecessary. She's a wonderful, well-behaved child. Her progress report at school included "she is very sweet and loving." I was also spanked HARD as a child and it was awful and it didn't teach me anything but pain and fear. I learned so much better when my step dad just sat down and talked to me. I retained the lessons he taught me when he did. Whenever he spanked me (it was actually more hitting and sparking, it was too hard) I never retained the lesson, just the memory of pain and resentment.

 

[MeeBee]

Wel mistrial as in hung jury. It will be considered a mistrial if this jury hangs, won't it? And then JSS will decide?

Yes it would be.

 

[DebinGA]

See I think JM will bat clean up and the jury will see through this mess. I don't think there is any choice but to give her death. If she doesn't deserve death for the heinous over kill and torture she put him through, who does??? Juan has put a woman on Death Row in AZ and I think he'll do it again.

IIRC that woman was an anti-illegals extremist who'd organized a hit that resulted in the death of a father and his child. I think there was a death of a child in all the AZ death row females' cases, except the one whose youngish husband wasn't dying from cancer fast enough to suit her, so she poisoned him and beat him to death with a chair to finish him off.

 

[ZoeyW]

Chris and Sky wrote a book called Our Friend Travis , Chris talks about it here

http://youtu.be/AJlKxjYb3pA

"If it weren't for Travis Alexander, Sky and I would not be married," Chris Hughes explains

 

[bsk]

If the jury cannot come to a unanimous decision, the judge will give her Life Without Possibility of Parole. There will be years and years of appeals, regardless. Plus the family has a wrongful death suit pending too. For the family this will never end. Ever.

For trial watchers, we are looking at mid March.
Neither mom, pop nor a sibling will take the stand.
Juan has a computer expert, Dr. De Marte, Dr. Haynes, a couple of Travis' friends
then rebuttal....only God knows what that will be.
This time the defense gets the last word.
Due to the fact they do not have full work weeks let alone full work days, I do think this is going into March.

http://youtu.be/oStZf6IEHJ8?list=PLDPHBTvpaRXgs8DzmU2d0f-H8JNUhXW6A

I have NEVER for one second thought this judge favored Jodi. She will come down as hard on her as the law allows. That I have faith in. She cannot stand Kirk Nurmi either. Just my opinion, of course.

I completely agree.

I don't think she has a Samuels/ALV-like crush on JA or anything like that at all - I just think she has bent over too far backward in letting the DT slow the trial down due to "appeal paranoia" or whatever it is that drives her. She could reduce the sidebars by about 80% for starters even if she did nothing else. Just a few exchanges like this would give us all a warm feeling:
DT: Objection. The prosecutor is--
JSS: Please state your objection without making a speaking objection.
DT: Lackoffoundationoutofscopebadgeringmisstates--
JSS: Overruled.
DT: (While striding toward the bench.) Your honor may we approach?
JSS: No, please sit down. Mr Martinez, please continue.

Jeez - even the unbelievable reserved Alexander siblings might rise in a standing ovation. I mean what the heck, does she fear that her verdict will get overruled if she doesn't grant a sidebar for 2/3 of the questions Juan asks?

For example, in this instance from the first trial (which moved along like lightning in comparison) Juan wanted to end this day with ALV on a simple, key question. You can tell the judge already knew what was up from earlier sidebars. To get her to answer this question, it took:
- three sidebars
- an overnight recess
- a morning recess for the DT to further coach ALV

The judge knew the sidebars were needed because she did not want to answer this question and the defense did not want her to answer this question, but it's a key point that Juan was going to press her on. She could have let Juan press her on it at the end of the day until she finally answered without having any sidebars since both parties and ALV knew exactly what was happening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asj-6JTsVes

 

[LinasK]

IIRC that woman was an anti-illegals extremist who'd organized a hit that resulted in the death of a father and his child. I think there was a death of a child in all the AZ death row females' cases, except the one whose youngish husband wasn't dying from cancer fast enough to suit her, so she poisoned him and beat him to death with a chair to finish him off.

No, the one Juan sent to Death Row was the one who killed her husband because he wasn't dying fast enough from Cancer- Wendy Andriano. She was featured on an episode of Snapped.