Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 1/15 thru 1/20 Break

[ElleElle]

Not Mexico with a gun. Look at the US Marine that made the wrong turn into Mexico at the border. He had a gun in the back of his truck. They detained him for 6 months before giving him back to us. It is illegal to enter Mexico from the US with a weapon. Plus the rental car. Unless she planned on killing someone in the US and then crossing over to Mexico, then Costa Rica as she was familiar with that country. More likely, she knew the law was after her and would get her revenge on whomever before getting caught. She had nothing to lose. CMJA would not fare well in a Mexican jail.

BBM ~ Exactly! In Jodi's head she would been able to charm her way into Mexico. Speaking of women getting it easier ...

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't automatically think all killers should get the DP, not even every 1st degree murderer. Some I think yes, and others I think no. With Arias I don't have a strong opinion either way. If the jury gives her death, then fine. If the jury decides otherwise or hangs and the judge gives her LWOP, then fine. For me that guilty verdict for 1st degree murder was *the* most important thing, the verdict that will lock her away forever. That put my mind at ease. I know she'll be in Perryville and her only way out will be in a pine box. I can deal with that.

I was thrilled when Richard Ramirez got the DP (though he died from cancer and not being executed), Scott Peterson, David Alan Westerfield, and ditto the Petit Family murderers (2 of them), as well as Richard Allan Davis, Alejandro Avila, and other child kidnappers & murderers. Can't think of one case where I felt strongly about the killer getting the DP but the killer only got LWOP.

I cant say I would honestly be 'fine' with it if she received anything less than death.. for if I did say that, I would be lying, and that is not what I do. If it happens, I wont like it one bit........just like I haven't liked other injustices I felt happened in other cases. That's one of the great things about being from America. No one has to agree with what 12 people decide to do in a courtroom. They can still have the same opinions they had before a verdict is rendered. If I didn't care, one way or the other,I wouldn't even keep up with this part of the trial.

While I certainly felt justice was done when the defendants you have mentioned got death, I also believe that Travis Alexander's murderer deserves the same fate.

While the age of young defenseless victims do cry out for the harshest punishment allowed so does murders that have happened to defenseless adults including adult men.

Imo, Travis was a victim of domestic violence homicide, and his life is worth no less than any other adult DVH victim who was viscously murdered for the same reason where their murderer received the death penalty and rightly so. There are countless inmates on death row who murdered because of domestic violence. Travis' murderer should not be treated any differently than all of those on death row for the same reasons.

My opinion of death for Arias have always been strong since I first learned the details of the case.... although the more this drags on because of her manipulation games, and the more she lies she tells about the victim she slaughtered.... my opinion only grows stronger. And I would have the same opinion if the roles were reversed, and if Travis had plotted, and planned to kill a female in this inhumane way.

This is not a run of the mill murder case. In this one she not only preplanned it for days or weeks.. she drove a thousand miles to carry it out. And the manner in which she murdered him is not often seen. In fact I cant remember another case at the moment where the murderer killed the victim three times over. It goes way beyond just murdering him.........and even overkill seems to not even encompass the evil that happened the day of the murder and has lingered on for years after murdering him, imo. She overkilled him when she murdered him, and then she overkills his good name for years on end to cause as much pain, and suffering as she can for those who love him. Arias is like no other defendant I have ever seen. There is no end to the evilness she continues to do. It has permeated the courtroom like a deadly virus.

It takes a special kind of murderer to do the things this one convicted female has done.

She certainly deserves death and I hope the jury gives her what she rightly deserves.

 

[Reagan]

Somewhat off topic, but I just read this on court chatter about the aurora theater shooting..

Judge Carlos Samour ruled Wednesday that defense attorneys have had sufficient time to prepare for trial.

"This case is ready to proceed to trial," Samour wrote bluntly in the order. "The Court will not allow it to be unnecessarily and improperly delayed simply because it is a death penalty case."

How refreshing. Will be interesting to see how long it takes this case to conclude.

 

[ICit]

Have you seen what mannequins look like lately? Va-va-voom!!

Just kidding of course. :innocent:

I was just talking about her face - it's okay besides her eyes, though she has aged a lot these 6.5 years. The skin on her arms is really pasty, but I figure that's due to being locked up most of the time and not seeing much of any sun.

She will never need sun block again where she is going.

 

[Niner]

snipped for purpose....

Overall she seemed to be shooting for a Barbie kind of pretty, which does nothing for me. My husband took one look at one photo of her, shrugged, and told me she looked like a <modsnip> I don't know about that, but no, not pretty to me. Just isn't.

Oh too funny - my Huz said the same thing!! LOL! But a High-Class <modsnip>

 

[katydid23]

I am so shell shocked that I don't really care that much if she gets the DP or she doesn't. I am not even sure that the DP is that much worse than LWOP, in the long run. LIFE with no possibility of parole is a horrendous thing to deal with. Knowing one will never walk free, see the ocean, watch a sunset with a glass of wine and ones partner, cook a Thanksgiving dinner for one's family...NEVER EVER being free again. I will be okay if that is what she is left with. It is not a piece of cake. :jail: :denied:

 

[Deleted member 122533]

Exactly. I can't rationalize it otherwise. They probably wouldn't have checked her hood either. She could have made it.

I think it is very simple. She hid the gun and knives because they were the exact weapons used to slaughter Travis Alexander. She probably knew she was about to be arrested and identical weapons choices to the ones used in the murder would not have looked good. She didn't know exactly what police knew before her arrest. I don't believe she was immediately making a run for it, although I acknowledge the possibility. My instinct is that she would have headed for The Hughes. The nonsense in her journal about loving Sky Hughes was nauseatingly deceitful. She blamed Chris and Sky for the humiliation of her relationship with Travis being driven underground. She also blamed Travis, of course. The tension and simmering hatred towards Sky and Chris was written all over her face and demeanour in court. After settling scores, she may very well have made a run for it. Arias was too full of hatred to let The Hughes get off unpunished, in my opinion.

 

[TexMex]

I think it is very simple. She hid the gun and knives because they were the exact weapons used to slaughter Travis Alexander. She probably knew she was about to be arrested and identical weapons choices to the ones used in the murder would not have looked good. She didn't know exactly what police knew before her arrest. I don't believe she was immediately making a run for it, although I acknowledge the possibility. My instinct is that she would have headed for The Hughes. The nonsense in her journal about loving Sky Hughes was nauseatingly deceitful. She blamed Chris and Sky for the humiliation of her relationship with Travis being driven underground. She also blamed Travis, of course. The tension and simmering hatred towards Sky and Chris was written all over her face and demeanour in court. After settling scores, she may very well have made a run for it. Arias was too full of hatred to let The Hughes get off unpunished, in my opinion.

She knew her time was limited. She gave them a DNA sample and knew she had bled at the scene. Everyone was pointing fingers at her, "fatal attraction", "stalker'. The police had called her work to investigate the gun theft (according to Jodi) The walls were closing in

FLORES. Your husband mentioned something about her not going to work and quitting her job. She was upset because someone like a police officer called her work for some reason.

MOTHER: Somebody called her -- she told me that somebody called her yesterday and wanted to question her about the break in at my mom and dad`s house. She did tell me that, and she said why don`t you want to talk to my grandma and grandpa? Because it was their house. And she did tell me that, but no mention of anything else. I don`t know if that scared her. I don`t know.

 

[MeeBee]

I think it is very simple. She hid the gun and knives because they were the exact weapons used to slaughter Travis Alexander. She probably knew she was about to be arrested and identical weapons choices to the ones used in the murder would not have looked good. She didn't know exactly what police knew before her arrest. I don't believe she was immediately making a run for it, although I acknowledge the possibility. My instinct is that she would have headed for The Hughes. The nonsense in her journal about loving Sky Hughes was nauseatingly deceitful. She blamed Chris and Sky for the humiliation of her relationship with Travis being driven underground. She also blamed Travis, of course. The tension and simmering hatred towards Sky and Chris was written all over her face and demeanour in court. After settling scores, she may very well have made a run for it. Arias was too full of hatred to let The Hughes get off unpunished, in my opinion.

Well the gun was a .9 caliber, not the .25 used to kill Travis and I believe it was determined the knives found in her books were not compatible with the one used to kill Travis. She obviously got rid of those and is telling no one any time soon where she ditched them.

I just can't see her needing or caring at that point about needing to settle scores. I don't think that was her thing. Besides she knew she was being blamed for the murder already and to kill the Hughes' would he stupid. When she packed up her rental she told her family she was leaving because she was about to be blamed for something (iirc she had already been indicted by then although I'm not sure if she knew that). Sure sounds like she was fleeing. IMO she knew they would be coming for her and thought she had time to make a run for it. But they were watching her...so she didn't get too far.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Disagree. Speaking only for myself, as a female. I'm not "piling on" because I fear I could be like Jodi. Even if I thought I could slit a man's throat or shoot someone, neither of which I'm psychologically capable of, I'm not a stalker, I don't slash tires, I wouldn't torture my victims' family by sending them flowers, and I'm not a liar.
This woman is a sicko who deserves to be put to Death!!! I felt the same way about Scott Peterson, Oscar Pistorius, Joran Van Der Sloot, and Casey Anthony.

I always wondered , because of my home life, if I could of become a Manson follower. Another lonely person being wanted no matter what it might cost.

 

[MeeBee]

She knew her time was limited. She gave them a DNA sample and knew she had bled at the scene. Everyone was pointing fingers at her, "fatal attraction", "stalker'. The police had called her work to investigate the gun theft (according to Jodi) The walls were closing in

FLORES. Your husband mentioned something about her not going to work and quitting her job. She was upset because someone like a police officer called her work for some reason.

MOTHER: Somebody called her -- she told me that somebody called her yesterday and wanted to question her about the break in at my mom and dad`s house. She did tell me that, and she said why don`t you want to talk to my grandma and grandpa? Because it was their house. And she did tell me that, but no mention of anything else. I don`t know if that scared her. I don`t know.

Right. Seemed she had bigger things to worry about than killing more people. Travis was the only one she cared about killing.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I am so shell shocked that I don't really care that much if she gets the DP or she doesn't. I am not even sure that the DP is that much worse than LWOP, in the long run. LIFE with no possibility of parole is a horrendous thing to deal with. Knowing one will never walk free, see the ocean, watch a sunset with a glass of wine and ones partner, cook a Thanksgiving dinner for one's family...NEVER EVER being free again. I will be okay if that is what she is left with. It is not a piece of cake. :jail: :denied:

Not me, Katy. I don't want her in general population one day where she can gather more enablers at her beckoning call. Psychopaths are very good at adapting in prison and they know how to lure others in so that their life is better.

I want her locked down 23 out 24 hours every single day of her worthless life.

I want that because IMO that is what she truly deserves.

IMO

 

[5bigfish5]

Yes. I guess all that matters is that, sadly, Travis found her beautiful

Unfortunately until Travis was all alone in his shower, with soap and water in his eyes, he never met the "real" Jodi.

 

[RickshawFan]

I am so shell shocked that I don't really care that much if she gets the DP or she doesn't. I am not even sure that the DP is that much worse than LWOP, in the long run. LIFE with no possibility of parole is a horrendous thing to deal with. Knowing one will never walk free, see the ocean, watch a sunset with a glass of wine and ones partner, cook a Thanksgiving dinner for one's family...NEVER EVER being free again. I will be okay if that is what she is left with. It is not a piece of cake. :jail: :denied:

Doesn't an LWOP inmate in AZ get solitary for the first few years of confinement anyway? To settle them down and get them orientated?

 

[Deleted member 122533]

Sure, she knew her time was running out, Tex Mex. if she was just going on the run, why the need for an identical choice in weapons? Same point to MeeBee. I didn't say the weapons were matching, just identical in type. Knives and guns. Why hide the gun? If for protection, it would be far safer in her reach. None of us can prove our points, they are mere speculation. It just seems obvious to me that most criminals wouldn't deem it smart to be caught with the exact same type of weapons they had previously used in a muder. Even one as stupid as Arias. Hiding the weapons doesn't point to defence. Neither does it show a need for instant protection. It suggests another attempt to cover her back, in case stopped by police.

 

[Luvrosco]

Common mistake since I changed my avatar to that of my missing cousin.

Wow ! I've always noticed that you are a verified insider for Mark. I didn't know he was your cousin. I'm so sorry for you and the rest of the family.

 

[MeeBee]

Sure, she knew her time was running out, Tex Mex. if she was just going on the run, why the need for an identical choice in weapons? Same point to MeeBee. I didn't say the weapons were matching, just identical in type. Knives and guns. Why hide the gun? If for protection, it would be far safer in her reach. None of us can prove our points, they are mere speculation. It just seems obvious to me that most criminals wouldn't deem it smart to be caught with the exact same type of weapons they had previously used in a muder. Even one as stupid as Arias. Hiding the weapons doesn't point to defence. Neither does it show a need for instant protection. It suggests another attempt to cover her back, in case stopped by police.

Not saying she wanted protection right away or a gun that was easily accessible. Again, she was trying to hide it so she could get it to Mexico (or Canada). I don't think it had to do with being caught with the same type of weapons. Most peolple CA own knives and guns are not illegal. And after she was arrested one of the first things she told Flores was she just bought a gun.

It just doesn't make sense. She knows they're on to her so she starts planing more murders? If all she cared about that point was getting to her next kill then why hide them? So the police wouldn't find them? Well if the police have her then they're gonna find the knives and she told them about the gun. Don't see it. She was on the run.

 

[Madeleine74]

Sure, she knew her time was running out, Tex Mex. if she was just going on the run, why the need for an identical choice in weapons? Same point to MeeBee. I didn't say the weapons were matching, just identical in type. Knives and guns. Why hide the gun? If for protection, it would be far safer in her reach. None of us can prove our points, they are mere speculation. It just seems obvious to me that most criminals wouldn't deem it smart to be caught with the exact same type of weapons they had previously used in a muder. Even one as stupid as Arias. Hiding the weapons doesn't point to defence. Neither does it show a need for instant protection. It suggests another attempt to cover her back, in case stopped by police.

What other weapon choices should she have utilized? A club? An axe-bow? A hatchet? Knives are readily available and free, especially when one's family runs a restaurant. A gun of a decent caliber will stop anyone without them getting close, and though it costs money, one can be obtained relatively cheaply. Both a gun and knives can be hidden easily. Hiding a weapon or weapons means the person thinks there is reason to believe they could be stopped by authorities. If a gun was obtained without a permit then that alone can get one arrested.

 

[IfIMay]

Unfortunately until Travis was all alone in his shower, with soap and water in his eyes, he never met the "real" Jodi.

I think he met her before that. "You are the worst. thing. that. ever. happened. to. me" Unfortunately, he wasn't capable of imagining just how evil she truly was until the shower. He was a good person that believed the best in people. God rest his soul.

 

[Deleted member 122533]

MeeBee, I feel that she hid them to avoid being caught with weapons by the police. I've seen no reason to justify her hiding the weapons. You state they are legal, so no need to hide unless trying to conceal future intentions. Seems like she told Detective Flores about the gun because she knew it would be traced. Similar tactic to her telling him about using Travis' computer passwords, after she knew she would be linked to accessing his computer information. She was offering nothing, posturing. Did she have a passport? The ability to cross countries in a rental car? The annoying thing is, will we ever know?