Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 1/15 thru 1/20 Break

[bsk]

Oh yes...ALV said Jodi told her she had cut the finger cutting green apples. I remember I spit pop all over my computer with that one.

She also testified that both JA hands and feet were tied on the bed. My favorite mistake she made was she told Juan in an interview that he played and impeached her with that Jodi said she busted Travis looking at child on his computer. When Juan called her on it she said oh I must have inferred that as that is how the kids these days do things.

She also was impeached because she had written a question on her notes about wait a minute.....I thought Jodi said the trip to Mesa was unplanned, why is Darrell saying Jodi asked for gas cans because she was going to MESA.


She made a lot of mistakes. Or she lied. Either way I can't stand her. God's gonna get me, but I always say if so he's coming for my sister first.

BBM - Change "Or" to "And" and I think you've got it.

 

[T-4-2]

Nurmi is actually yelling at the top of his lungs that it was so egregious, the misconduct of Juan bullying ALV, and that the court was there in chambers and heard it, and saw how upset Miss LaViolette was and how intimidated because of Juan's behavior toward her that day in chambers.

Juan says well if there is an allegation that ALV was upset, fine she should be upset, considering the topic! Love him.

The discussion with ALV happened in chambers.

After Nurmi finally sits down here, you will hear the judge say JM did NOTHING wrong with how he treated ALV

http://youtu.be/YAg61ML1MPo?t=59m2s

"Furthermore, this court finds that the prosecutor was in NOT, IN ANY WAY outside the bounds of proper behavior regarding Miss La Violette. I find there was a legitimate basis for the questions being asked during that in chambers hearing".

Oh lordy lordy. I just listened to the whole Samuels interview. The word "emasculate" comes to mind. Hm. Wonder why. I do almost feel sorry for these bottom-of-the-barrel sham-experts that the defense dredged up basically as cannon fodder for Martinez. They're unprofessional, unconvincing, incompetent and WOEFULLY ill-prepared by Willmott and Nurmi!

All of the defense "experts" may have actually had bush league careers of sorts prior to this case. Those are probably pretty much over.

 

[bsk]

Nurmi is actually yelling at the top of his lungs that it was so egregious, the misconduct of Juan bullying ALV, and that the court was there in chambers and heard it, and saw how upset Miss LaViolette was and how intimidated because of Juan's behavior toward her that day in chambers.

Juan says well if there is an allegation that ALV was upset, fine she should be upset, considering the topic! Love him.

The discussion with ALV happened in chambers.

After Nurmi finally sits down here, you will hear the judge say JM did NOTHING wrong with how he treated ALV

http://youtu.be/YAg61ML1MPo?t=59m2s

"Furthermore, this court finds that the prosecutor was in NOT, IN ANY WAY outside the bounds of proper behavior regarding Miss La Violette. I find there was a legitimate basis for the questions being asked during that in chambers hearing".

It was funny to watch JSS. She was speaking on the fly and considering her words carefully. You could picture her mind churning as she was thinking: "How do I say in a way that won't be appealable that if you wouldn't put liars on the stand they wouldn't face such a grilling from the state?"

 

[salberg7]

I too believe the killer was about to take off from Yreka with the intent of murdering someone else. Why purchase a 9mm gun when you have no money to your name, rent a car, and be packing your belongings in that rental car. And knives hidden in books she said were Darryl's or Matt's or whoever. Who does that? She actually bought the gun, waited the required 10 day period & registered it. What was to be her next move? I too have my theories on her next victims but won't speculate. Thank heavens she was under police surveillance while in Yreka as it is my understanding that is why they decided to pick her up and arrest her, because she was about to leave town. I wonder where or how she got the money to buy a $600 gun & pay for registration. This was only 5-6 weeks after Travis' murder. Even her mom & dad knew she boughta gun. Bizarre.

 

[runningwater]

I guess in 2008 you didn't have to register to buy a gun, yes?
Wonder where she got it from?

 

[atthelake]

I have been AFK for days due to family/RL... just read this http://reallybigmeandog.com How did the files get changed if the computer wasn't checked out at the time? If it's been in evidence how are the changes being done at 11 pm (or 10 pm, whatever).... Is Juan saying it could not have happened since the computer was back in the police evidence room. Or was this just the working copy of Tony/Mr. Smith that was being referred to… just don’t understand why Juan brought this up?

“Juan looked at his feet and rocked back imperceptibly. He waited patiently for Flores to give it back and he agreed he recognized it. Juan then marched over to the projection screen and displayed the paper for the Jury to see. “What is this, Detective Flores?” he asked as he turned to face the witness. “It is a Chain of Custody receipt,” Flores answered. “It’s a voucher from the Mesa Police Department dated June 19, 2009. Is that right?” Juan asked. “It is,” Flores answered. “Would I be correct in saying that this is a log of any movements of the Compaq Presario? It goes in and out of computer forensics evidence room, right?”

“Yes,” Detective Flores answered while his hands rested comfortably in his lap. “Can anybody come in off the street and look at evidence?” “No, they can’t.” ‘Can anybody access computer forensic evidence without a Chain of Custody form being filled out?” “No.” “You always give notice if you or anyone on the case needs to look at it?” “Correct.”
“This form says you returned it around five o’clock. Is there any reason to believe that’s not true?”
“The personnel who check it in and out of the property room fill out the form and are in charge of making sure items are logged. This has a bar scan on it which shows it was returned at 16:51,” Flores explained. “You check it out over a counter?” “Yes.” “Are they open twenty four hours?” Juan Martinez asked. “No. I believe they stop around nine in the evening.” “Is anyone there to check out computer evidence at eleven o’clock at night?” “No, Sir,” Flores answered. “Do you know of any computer that turns on and off on its own?” Juan asked. There were nine Jurors busily taking notes.“No.” “You are familiar with computer operating systems as an investigator?” “Yes,” Flores answered dutifully. Juan moved in for the attack. “Doesn’t a computer have to be on for an operating system to work?” “Yes.” Juan Martinez opened his palm and looked at it as if he was holding an invisible computer. “So, if the operating system is not on, can it access files within the browser?” “No,” Flores answered. “It would be like running a car without a key.”

 

[MeeBee]

I have been AFK for days due to family/RL... just read this http://reallybigmeandog.com How did the files get changed if the computer wasn't checked out at the time? If it's been in evidence how are the changes being done at 11 pm (or 10 pm, whatever).... Is Juan saying it could not have happened since the computer was back in the police evidence room. Or was this just the working copy of Tony/Mr. Smith that was being referred to… just don’t understand why Juan brought this up?

Juan is saying the changes did not happen at 11:00 PM AZ time but at 11:00 UTC. That's about 7 hours ahead of MST, which lines up with when the computer was checked out and being viewed by the defense. That's why when Nurmi was saying no amount of math matters. Well, yeah it does. Because one looks oddly suspicious and one is in sync with when the modifications occurred on June 19th when the computer turns on.

BN testified the computer was only on for 12 minutes before they ripped the cord out of the wall. Now JS is throwing out different times and his assertion that modifications were made at 11 doesn't make sense. If the computer was turned on again it would show that. That's why Juan and Flores were saying you can't make changes to a computer while it's off.

 

[daisydomino]

Oh lordy lordy. I just listened to the whole Samuels interview. The word "emasculate" comes to mind. Hm. Wonder why. I do almost feel sorry for these bottom-of-the-barrel sham-experts that the defense dredged up basically as cannon fodder for Martinez. They're unprofessional, unconvincing, incompetent and WOEFULLY ill-prepared by Willmott and Nurmi!

All of the defense "experts" may have actually had bush league careers of sorts prior to this case. Those are probably pretty much over.

I agree! I listened to it too. I only vaguely remember that hearing so it was good to refresh.

Wow, Mr. Samuels was a jerk. He was interrupting and talking over JM's questions. He was combative and defensive. Juan was actually pretty patient with him, I thought, but he had to raise the volume of his voice to get his complete questions out.

ALV was the same way on the stand.

 

[Truth Detector]

Thank you DGC and daisydomino!

The boy named Sue did not sport a paper bag but since the judge's own ruling said she is willing to come up with alternate ways the DT witnesses could testify anonymously in open court--I suggest calling each one by an assigned number and having each testify with a bag over their head.



Problem solved.

I think you're six bags shy of a full mitigation witness list load.

​

Didn't LKN promise that they had 14? :liar:

 

[atthelake]

Juan is saying the changes did not happen at 11:00 PM AZ time but at 11:00 UTC. That's about 7 hours ahead of MST, which lines up with when the computer was checked out and being viewed by the defense. That's why when Nurmi was saying no amount of math matters. Well, yeah it does. Because one looks oddly suspicious and one is in sync with when the modifications occurred on June 19th when the computer turns on.

BN testified the computer was only on for 12 minutes before they ripped the cord out of the wall. Now JS is throwing out different times and his assertion that modifications were made at 11 doesn't make sense. If the computer was turned on again it would show that. That's why Juan and Flores were saying you can't make changes to a computer while it's off.

:doh:

:tyou:


:yourock: .... to show that JS shall be considered :bricks:

:laughcry:

:seeya:

 

[ZoeyW]

Oh lordy lordy. I just listened to the whole Samuels interview. The word "emasculate" comes to mind. Hm. Wonder why. I do almost feel sorry for these bottom-of-the-barrel sham-experts that the defense dredged up basically as cannon fodder for Martinez. They're unprofessional, unconvincing, incompetent and WOEFULLY ill-prepared by Willmott and Nurmi!

All of the defense "experts" may have actually had bush league careers of sorts prior to this case. Those are probably pretty much over.

My favorite moment regarding "Dr." Samuels was a quiet one and Juan was very very kind not to laugh aloud when it happened. It was a little odd the way he just let it go. I suppose he knew the jury was already with him on this.

http://youtu.be/LD-PwoGW8RQ?t=40m30s

Dr. Samuels was going on about how even thought she lied on the sub-question of number 14.....( attack, by a stranger )
he did not discount all of her answers as lies. He opined that although she was lying about why, she absolutely was not lying about the trauma and the symptoms of PTSD she had. Jen looked up like oh.....that was a quick save/ She started writing very fast when he came up with that answer.

In his expert opinion

Jodi was creating an alternate reality for herself as a way to deal with this horrific crime. She was thinking as if it truly had not have been her. It was so much so he considered diagnosing her with ( I forget the technical term ) multiple personalities.

Juan simply said "She testified she WAS MAKING IT UP TO COVER HER TRACKS, just making it up".

"Dr." Samuels seemed legitimately shocked and taken aback, disillusioned. "That was not told to me. I didn't know she said that."


Jodi Arias entire hope for ANYTHING less than murder one was lost with this next exchange

http://youtu.be/LD-PwoGW8RQ?t=28m43s

JM: "The validity depends on person being truthful in their answers, correct?"
Samuels: "Yes"
JM "Wouldn't you agree that if a person lied on the test that would invalidate the results?
Samuels "Yes"
JM: "If it were used for a PTSD doagnosis, that would be a faulty diagnosis?
Samuels: "Yes".

He had no idea he of the career suicide that little exchange would turn out to be.
Buckle up!

JM" Isn't it true that on this PDS the defendant lied on it?"
Samuels "No. That is not true" , he seemed to believe what he was saying. Honestly.

At that point Moses came down from the mountain with question number FOURTEEN. It was absolutely over at that particular moment on that particular day in the courtroom. It was a defining moment

SHE LIED ON THE TEST!

Even the Mormons were thinking What The F? Are we being punked?

Never Let Them See You Sweat. No matter how horrible it is for your case what is happening at any moment one should never let on to the jury. Jen nor Nurmi are any good at this.

Dr. Samuels was shockingly naive about how to testify.

Remember this gem.....

"I was speculating that ...." he said.

Juan did not quietly let that one go. He was lit up! "Speculating could mean made it up!" he yelled out for the trial going on in courtroom 501 on floor five to hear.

Samuels wanted to argue about the definition of speculate.

Juan nailed his coffin shut tight with "You made it up right now, you just made it up!"

Samuels shrugged his shoulders resigned to his defeat, "OK. I used the word." He looked longinly at the defense table for help; but all hope was lost.

Here is Juan pointing out Samuels crossed an ethical guideline sending her a self help book when he is there to be an impartial investigator. Jodi wound up using several passages out of the book to incorporate into her testimony. ( She was sent FOUR self help books by ALV and one by Samuels , the jury picked up on the fact that her jargon was often not that of a lay person ).

http://youtu.be/LD-PwoGW8RQ?t=10m4s

JM "There is an appearance here that you are trying to help the defendant get better with whatever problem she has. Isn't that creating an issue of bias".

Samuels "I'm a compassionate man".

Jodi looks on, now hopeless.

http://youtu.be/LD-PwoGW8RQ?t=22m52s

JM Regarding a rebuke on his record. "Isn't it true you had to sign an agreement with the State of New Jersey agreeing to cease and desist crossing boundaries with clients and entering into relationships which may create conflict of interest with the client?"

Samuels being evasive tries to say that was due to him bartering his services

JM, very animated now, demands "YES, or NO!"
Samuels "Yes"
JM"That is the same issue we are having HERE ; because, you are crossing boundaries with the defendant?" He didn't even wait for an answer. His question itself is the answer.

Juan Martinez literally printed out a page of Webster's dictionary and entered it into the record to help "Dr." Samuels understand the word compassion.

Samuels was arguing with him compassion does not mean he had sympathy for Jodi. Lights on the projector and sure enough not only does it mean he had sympathy for her, it means he was trying to help her .


"dictionary.reference.com/browse/compassion
Dictionary.com
a feeling of deep sympathy and sorrow for another who is stricken by misfortune, accompanied by a strong desire to alleviate the suffering. verb (used with object)."

Woopsie Daisy.

JM "You don't have any memory problems do you?"
RS "No"
JM "I am asking you to think back....to five minutes ago".

 

[wenwe4]

I saw something in this video that took me aback for a minute.

@ about 4:34 in this video - he comments about how Jodi spent the entire day copying from "one journal to another journal"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmmF2Ry-xDw&feature=youtu.be

Could she have had access to her "journals" during the first trial?
Would it have mattered since copies were taken in 2008 or 2009 and both sides had copies of the original?
Did she not have access to someone who could make a copy for her (of whatever she was copying) or was this just something to keep her occupied during testimony?

It just seemed strange after the journals were released and many opined that she may have altered her journals at some point.

I believe she also had access to pens while in court instead of being stuck with those little golf pencils. (although I have seen her using those in court as well) IIRC she got in trouble for trying to smuggle a pen back to jail and then she was banned from having access to pens during court.

 

[Midnight Rambler]

She didn't buy a $600 gun. She bought an off brand $200 dollar gun. But the cost isn't the point. It would still kill you. And she did buy it for a purpose. She was short on money after she got back to Yreka and the "normal" person wouldn't buy a gun when other things were needed. There is certainly something else going on with that story. And that camping trip had nothing to do with it.

 

[ZoeyW]

During her stint as Pro Per she had access to everything, and of course.....this is when the on the computers was found after all of these years.

During her first stint at Pro Per up popped the forged letters from Travis that even the National Enquirer refused!

Mike Walker, Sr.Editor, Nt'l Enquirer http://youtu.be/o6qO0vrHgrg

 

[ZoeyW]

She didn't buy a $600 gun. She bought an off brand $200 dollar gun. But the cost isn't the point. It would still kill you. And she did buy it for a purpose. She was short on money after she got back to Yreka and the "normal" person wouldn't buy a gun when other things were needed. There is certainly something else going on with that story. And that camping trip had nothing to do with it.

She had to borrow money from men, often. You are right , she was in dire straights.

Paul Stern http://youtu.be/sLUizc-cklg

"She was frantic to go see Travis in Mesa. She said he was seeing someone else. She was frantic to go fix the relationship. She asked me to borrow money, over three hundred dollars, so I loaned it to her. "

 

[atthelake]

I saw something in this video that took me aback for a minute.

@ about 4:34 in this video - he comments about how Jodi spent the entire day copying from "one journal to another journal"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmmF2Ry-xDw&feature=youtu.be

Could she have had access to her "journals" during the first trial?
Would it have mattered since copies were taken in 2008 or 2009 and both sides had copies of the original?
Did she not have access to someone who could make a copy for her (of whatever she was copying) or was this just something to keep her occupied during testimony?

It just seemed strange after the journals were released and many opined that she may have altered her journals at some point.

I believe she also had access to pens while in court instead of being stuck with those little golf pencils. (although I have seen her using those in court as well) IIRC she got in trouble for trying to smuggle a pen back to jail and then she was banned from having access to pens during court.

When the journals were released, I was :thinking: why are so many "traced over" as to the writings? Then it led me down a rabbit hole with the letters that were forgeries were tracings perhaps and that is why the originals were never produced... only images. Again, a rabbit hole.

 

[ZoeyW]

Dr. Samuels "Perhaps I should have re-administered that test."

http://youtu.be/LD-PwoGW8RQ?t=48m39s

 

[rose222]

They eye rolls heard around the world

http://youtu.be/Ou3Hk0_wF5c

The most difficult part of the trial for me was when Travis' siblings presented the Victim Impact Statetments. I don't know how the foreman had the heart to conveniently ignore their guttural sorrow and post-murder devastation. I have seen families speak directly to the defendants but in this case Travis' family did not do so. It would have been satisfying to watch but AZlawyer explained the State's strategy in avoiding that sort of presentation.

I wonder whether the family is hoping for the best but preparing for the worst. I don't know how they are coping. I pray that they are able to begin the healing process regardless of the verdict. I know it's easier said than done but I want so badly for them to move on with their lives and be happy. I don't want Arias to have the cruel satisfaction of thinking that she has permanently destroyed Travis' family. Someday I hope it dawns on her that everyone else has moved on. She, of course, will not be given that opportunity; she will be caged like a rabid beast for the rest of her life.

 

[grammieto5]

ZoeyW, My thanks button isn't working :/ I've been wanting to thank you for all your posts. They are amazing. I love the way you write!

 

[MarVa]

She didn't buy a $600 gun. She bought an off brand $200 dollar gun. But the cost isn't the point. It would still kill you. And she did buy it for a purpose. She was short on money after she got back to Yreka and the "normal" person wouldn't buy a gun when other things were needed. There is certainly something else going on with that story. And that camping trip had nothing to do with it.

Perhaps someone close to her gave her money and actively assisted her to attempt to leave the country. That someone would not be able to testify for her because they would not be able to withstand Martinez's cross examination.