Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 1/15 thru 1/20 Break

[MeeBee]

Whether or not we were spanked as children, I'm glad we can all agree that in JA's case, whatever did (or did not) happen to her as a child doesn't in any way mitigate stabbing, slashing and shooting someone she claimed to love.

I'm adding spanking to the number of topics that should probably not be discussed with online friends. I'm not going to mention the Hitler spoof video.

I don't know if you meant it this way but the "Hitler reacts" meme is a very old and popular one where Hitler reacts to [insert current event] usually with disbelief. It's just a scene from the German movie Downfall.

 

[Wagara]

No one here who was spanked as a kid has claimed they only survived by the skin of their teeth. That's great that you have no emotional scars from any spankings you received. Spanking is physical violence, whether people choose to acknowledge it or not. You learned fear, as did I or anyone who was spanked. You learned you would be physically touched in a negative and painful way if you didn't do as you were told or did something you shouldn't have done. And it's not just physical pain, it's also humiliating for a child.

Yes, fear sure can be a great motivator, but it's not a very good teacher, and it has nothing to do with respect at all. Respect is earned, not demanded, and not threatened. One can feign what appears to an unenlightened adult as 'respect,' which is really obedience obtained through coersion and fear. A lot of parents don't care how they obtain compliance and obedience, certainly not in the generation when I was a kid. Parents were fairly clueless back then and did not have much guidance into other ways of dealing with an errant child. Their parents probably spanked them. It's a cycle that repeats (hey, just like abuse repeats).

No, just because Jodi is a murderer today does not mean she should have been hit, beaten, spanked or anything else violent when she was a child. Hitting doesn't cure BPD or other personality disorders, which she surely had way back then. She has no excuse for murdering Travis, but violence solves nothing and doesn't change a disordered person into a mentally healthy person.

No one here is a very broad term. There are claims here and elsewhere. I have my opinion as does everyone. I don't view my parents or my childhood as others might. I was spanked. I was fine. Jodie should have been beat within an inch of her life. As I said it might not have helped but in my opinion it wouldn't have hurt.

 

[T-4-2]

I agree, she's double-jointed. Ryan Burns said she came with bandages on her fingers, so yeah she injured it by cutting herself with the knife, but for Juan she was using her ability to be double-jointed. My daughter & I have the same ability.

Does double-jointedness show up on an x-ray, MRI, or CT scan? Could the State compel Jodi to submit to one or more of these or are they considered invasive? I'm guessing she has the right not to be "scanned," or we'd also know for sure whether her finger was ever broken. IIEC, though, she only said she "thought" it was broken, so I guess whether or not it actually was wouldn't matter.

No scans, but there is this:

 

[MeeBee]

Could someone refresh my memory about one of his roomates saying he stayed up all night on June 3rd because he was afraid?

That didn't happen on June 3rd. It was an old room mate describing an earlier time. I find it relevant though because in that story Jodi just shows up. She calls and says she's outside and needs to be let in and his room mate remember Travis was genuinely surprised and was not expecting her at all. He'd been up all night before she arrived doing a cleansing ritual because he felt an evil presence. This demonstrates Jodi's pentiant for just showing up unannounced and IMO is what happened on the morning of June, 4th.

 

[MeeBee]

No one here is a very broad term. There are claims here and elsewhere. I have my opinion as does everyone. I don't view my parents or my childhood as others might. I was spanked. I was fine. Jodie should have been beat within an inch of her life. As I said it might not have helped but in my opinion it wouldn't have hurt.

If it wouldn't have helped then what's the point? To hurt her?

 

[daisydomino]

Does double-jointedness show up on an x-ray, MRI, or CT scan? Could the State compel Jodi to submit to one or more of these or are they considered invasive? I'm guessing she has the right not to be "scanned," or we'd also know for sure whether her finger was ever broken. IIEC, though, she only said she "thought" it was broken, so I guess whether or not it actually was wouldn't matter.

No scans, but there is this:

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Nice! Those are some straight fingers!

 

[Deleted member 122533]

In terms of why JA wanted to testify in secret and whether or not JA will get back on the stand, I say she got on the stand in an attempt to show/express remorse (several of the jurors who voted for death after the trial said two things--they didn't believe her lies and she did not show any REMORSE), and to give alternate explanations of the facts JM will present. And no, I believe 100% that she will not take the stand again. Because IMO she got exactly what she wanted; express remorse and offer excuses for her behavior without ever having to be cross examined by Juan.

Objective #1--show/express remorse,

Great post, MindMatters, one of many I've enjoyed of yours. Reading the transcripts, she failed again to show remorse for the killing. The same doublespeak was evident. Dancing around apologising directly for murdering Travis showed the same shameless psychotic manipulation. There was nothing new in the transcripts. It was a calculated tactic which added a level of pretentious preciousness to her testimony. Some of it made me laugh. It smacked of previous ludicrous lines such as 'Mortal terror' and 'I pissed him off the worst I've ever seen him pissed off'. Risible, ridiculous lies.

Defense have managed to embroider and present the lies better but they are still screamingly obvious. Arias has enjoyed the power trip of excluding the media and the public. Better still, if Martinez is denied the opportunity to cross, she wins again, in her sick mind. I'm glad JSS allowed her to testify because she is indeed a terrible witness. Will any jurors fall for it? I sincerely hope not.

 

[cindymac]

Whether or not we were spanked as children, I'm glad we can all agree that in JA's case, whatever did (or did not) happen to her as a child doesn't in any way mitigate stabbing, slashing and shooting someone she claimed to love.

I'm adding spanking to the number of topics that should probably not be discussed with online friends. I'm not going to mention the Hitler spoof video.

When Arias gets to the Big Girls Prison, she's (eventually) going to be rubbing shoulders with people who had no hope in life from the day they were born, who experienced real abuses and cruelty of every kind in their tenderest years. So much so that anger, violence, cruelty, lawlessness - you name it - became and remain their normality. So here comes Miss Middle Class, who had every advantage and opportunity in life, but threw it all away because she was hit with a wooden spoon and had a boyfriend who grabbed her wrist and called her mean names. Somehow I don't think that's going to play well to that particular jury.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I don't know if you meant it this way but the "Hitler reacts" meme is a very old and popular one where Hitler reacts to [insert current event] usually with disbelief. It's just a scene from the German movie Downfall.

Thank you. I, in no way meant for it to offend anyone.

 

[daisydomino]

When Arias gets to the Big Girls Prison, she's (eventually) going to be rubbing shoulders with people who had no hope in life from the day they were born, who experienced real abuses and cruelty of every kind in their tenderest years. So much so that anger, violence, cruelty, lawlessness - you name it - became and remain their normality. So here comes Miss Middle Class, who had every advantage and opportunity in life, but threw it all away because she was hit with a wooden spoon and had a boyfriend who grabbed her wrist and called her mean names. Somehow I don't think that's going to play well to that particular jury.

It's that law of attraction at work I guess. She should have called the cops and confessed instead of trying to record an alibi message on TA's voicemail.

 

[Madeleine74]

No one here is a very broad term. There are claims here and elsewhere. I have my opinion as does everyone. I don't view my parents or my childhood as others might. I was spanked. I was fine. Jodie should have been beat within an inch of her life. As I said it might not have helped but in my opinion it wouldn't have hurt.

Jodi should have been beaten when and for what, exactly? It wouldn't have hurt? She was hit as a child, that's not in dispute. It is not an out for killing someone when she was 27 though, as the defense is trying to claim.

BTW, should all or most children be beaten within an inch of their lives? You know...because it wouldn't hurt even if it might not help? Anyone's kid could grow up and eventually kill someone someday, especially those little BPD afflicted. So what the heck...beat them now; maybe one can beat the future evil outta them?

 

[LinasK]

Does double-jointedness show up on an x-ray, MRI, or CT scan? Could the State compel Jodi to submit to one or more of these or are they considered invasive? I'm guessing she has the right not to be "scanned," or we'd also know for sure whether her finger was ever broken. IIEC, though, she only said she "thought" it was broken, so I guess whether or not it actually was wouldn't matter.

No scans, but there is this:

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Don't know, never had any of those done to our hands. I just know I discovered my ability learning to play chords on the piano. I would inevitably lock my middle fingers up.
If Juan needed to prove her injuries, I'm sure they could compel some type of x-ray, just like in the Justin Ross Harris case- they could verify his hearing loss with an audiogram.

 

[LinasK]

I think the paddles in schools ended by the late 70's or early 80's in most of the country but I remember kids bending over in front of the class (or Principal's office) and getting "hacks" from a large wooden paddle with large holes (for less air resistance and more pain). I got it once (for being tardy) from the girl that got hacked last (that was the class rule).

BBM. Actually I think it was more like by the late 60's. I was in Jr. High in the early 70's and nobody used paddles anymore. I think it ended when I was in elementary school.

 

[Madeleine74]

Thank you. I, in no way meant for it to offend anyone.

As someone with a sense or humor as well as a fan of irony, I appreciated it. No offense here.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I recognized that meme right away. I'm sorry that some folks were upset, I know it's meant to do the opposite. Hey, je suis Charlie and all that, right? We have to laugh. It's when we take things meant to be funny too seriously that all heck breaks loose.

I was not aware that anyone was upset, I wish they had voiced that on here, and I would have taken it off. I know I sometimes get carried away with my raw sense of humor, but that's just me... I am a very happy person. Regardless, I have asked the mods to delete it. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

 

[MeeBee]

I was not aware that anyone was upset, I wish they had voiced that on here, and I would have taken it off. I know I sometimes get carried away with my raw sense of humor, but that's just me... I am a very happy person. Regardless, I have asked the mods to delete it. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

There's nothing wrong with the video I don't see how it could be offensive. I've been seeing Hitler reacts videos for years and years now and never considered it could be offensive because it's a scene from a movie about Hitler. It was funny! Oh well.

 

[ZoeyW]

http://t.co/Ukjr1ukiGS


Jodi Arias trial sidebars released

 

[MeeBee]

Sidebars http://t.co/Ukjr1ukiGS

Just saw these. I like the one where the judge tells the defense Laviolette is just digging herself deeper by volunteering information. And I'm still dying to know what happened in those chambers when she got in trouble. I suppose we will never know.

 

[LinasK]

There's nothing wrong with the video I don't see how it could be offensive. I've been seeing Hitler reacts videos for years and years now and never considered it could be offensive because it's a scene from a movie about Hitler. It was funny! Oh well.

I'm one of those who didn't say anything because I didn't want to create a big scene, but since I'm Jewish, I found it mildly amusing, but tacky. Hitler was long before Jodi's generation, so there's no way it would have ever taken place. Just as happy it's gone.

 

[MeeBee]

I'm one of those who didn't say anything because I didn't want to create a big scene, but since I'm Jewish, I found it mildly amusing, but tacky. Hitler was long before Jodi's generation, so there's no way it would have ever taken place. Just as happy it's gone.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/downfall-hitler-reacts