Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 1/15 thru 1/20 Break

[MeeBee]

Evidence that hyperbole is not exclusive to Jodi:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-10-Day-45-sentencing&p=11088652#post11088652

 

[MeeBee]

BBM

"Not even close."

No woman posted "in a deviant class of her own."

I did.

"Despite the actual facts"?

Here are the actual facts.

Twenty-nine stab wounds to an unsuspecting and unarmed naked man:

Wounds to his back in a cluster, sharp force trauma, tight wounds in rapid progression;
Wounds to the neck;
Wounds to the chest;
Wounds to the abdomen;
Wounds to the fingers and hand;
Wounds to the forearm;
Wounds to the leg, feet, and knee; and
Wounds to the head.

But those are only most of the stab wounds.

She also slit his throat and finished him off with a gunshot through the head as testified by the autopsy-performing medical expert.

Those are the facts.

"very run of the mill"?

I'd second guess your "experts".

"Experts"?

"Not even close."

The attempt to portray this extremely violent murderer as mediocre or not particularly evil requires the suppression and ignorance of facts.

So she hasn't yet killed again while awaiting sentence?

When your 'impatience' is rewarded, you read it here first.

I'm sorry truth. I don't know why I thought you were a man.

 

[rose222]

OMG...Jodi did torture her cat! I suspected that when she told Flores the cat had scratched her all over her arms....and I thought, what did Jodi do to the poor cat!

I wonder why she continues to call herself an animal lover? Does she get a kick out of fooling others? Or, does she want to be animal lover but just cannot help taking out her anger on those innocent creatures? I hope Juan is able to present the animal abuse evidence to the jury. Oh, how I would love to hear Demarte address this issue in court! It baffles me that ALV would cater to someone who has hurt animals.

 

[MeeBee]

I wonder why she continues to call herself an animal lover? Does she get a kick out of fooling others? Or, does she want to be animal lover but just cannot help taking out her anger on those innocent creatures? I hope Juan is able to present the animal abuse evidence to the jury. Oh, how I would love to hear Demarte address this issue in court! It baffles me that ALV would cater to someone who has hurt animals.

I think he will get to address it through Demarte. I think the rules are relaxed for both sides and her hurting animals certainly seems to be a perfectly valid counter to her mitigation. I was watching video of Demarte in the Devault sentencing and she was able to get a lot of stuff out there about MD that would not have been allowed in the guilt phase. I really look forward to Demarte.

 

[Nali87]

I was just thinking that the DT's need to over analyze every single thing, over dramatize certain things that have happened, can really have an opposite effect of what they had in mind. So far some of the things that I think might backfire are:

Their need to refer to Travis Alexander as T-Dogg. It's very disrespectful to refer to a victim in that way. They could have made their points clear without having to do this. Jodi Arias murdered Travis Alexander and in some way they are even trying to take his name away from him. Not too sound to dramatic but that's how it comes across to me. And second to that, it's just plain annoying after a while.

Focusing on his reputation as a "player" and turning it into being abusive. I'm sorry but men being "players" is not regarded as something hugely scandalous in society. A woman is quick to be labeled a but when it comes to men, people just shrug and go "Well he's a young and healthy red blooded male. Of course he would have tried to get sex." Next to that, Travis Alexander is not the first human being that experienced conflict in his personal life due to his religion. If there are religious people on that jury, I'm sure they will be more inclined to sympathize with a fellow religious person struggling than they would be to condemn him. After all "He who is without sin, cast the first stone."

Their focus on the Hughes e-mail. Now personally I think the Hughes were way too involved in Travis Alexander's life. I mean, their need to call Jodi Arias "Deanna" on purpose as some sort of warning alone was very childish and uncalled for. I think Juan will do a good job in explaining that the Hughes chose to live their lives a certain way and frowned upon anyone who lived theirs differently and were (too) quick to turn that behavior into "abuse". Words like "abuse" should be used when there's actual ABUSE! Not when a guy is casually dating women or has a weird thing when it comes to commitment.

The . Who cares? Like seriously? Who cares?

The pedophile lie. In the first trial JM made it clear to the jury that this was another lie by Jodi Arias to turn the victim into some type of monster. I think if he can convince this jury that the pedophile lie was another way for Jodi Arias to ruin Travis, even after death, than this could really backfire. She wasn't content just to have him death, she spitefully went about turning him into someone/something many consider despicable. That's a horrible thing to do.

Jodi's abuse at the hand of her parents. Yeah, that's not abuse. But the worst thing about this is having Jodi Arias herself testify about it. She just does not come across as being believable! They would have been better of having their "experts" testify to this abuse because Jodi Arias lies without blinking an eye, yes, but she's a horrible liar at the same time. Her stories contain way too much extra detail and she just cannot express the emotion necessary to support some of her statements.

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They would have had a better chance just going for her being remorseful and blaming her mental health!

 

[Deleted member 122533]

T

I have a question.

Do y'all think some of the "Jodi is the most evil killer ever, like ever" has anything to do with her being female, even partially?

Now before people jump on this and react, just please stop and think about it.

My working theory (which may or may not be a very good theory), is that female killers are often judged harsher especially by.

In terms of how female prisoners are treated by the system, in certain countries, there is evidence that suggests unfairness. Arias could not have had a fairer trial. It has cost a fortune, endless motions have been raised, appeals launched. The American justice system has been scrutinised globally, the judge put under a microscope. Perversely, it appears that the more notorious the murderer, the greater the chance for justice in terms of funding and access.

 

[Zinvestigator]

The time to appeal has not started yet. They can file a special action if they want--one, because there was one order that they would be challenging. IMO there is a 99.999% chance of denial at this stage. These issues will be decided on appeal after sentencing. Everything will be filed in one appeal except the ineffective assistance of counsel argument (inevitable), which is decided through a separate procedure called "post-conviction relief."

If there is a death sentence, far more issues will be taken up on appeal than if there is a life sentence. Also, if there's a death sentence, it will go straight to the AZ Supreme Court and the assigned judge's law clerks will go through literally everything looking for any serious appeal issue that was missed. (I know because I did it for a year lol. And found ONE big missed issue in ONE case.)

Appellate briefs are normally fairly short in AZ (like 20-30 pages--I know, I know, you're like, SHORT?) but in a case like this will likely be longer. The entire record will be transmitted to the appellate court electronically, but they will only look at everything if, as I mentioned above, it's a DP case. Yes, case law/statutes must be cited, and specific references to the record (transcripts, exhibits) must be included. None of this "the prosecutor badgers the witnesses"--you have to cite page and line numbers in the transcript.

Whichever court gets the appeal (depending on whether it's a death case) has to take it. (This is not the case with a special action FYI.) Technically, the court can just say "affirmed," but in a serious criminal case they won't do that.

Oral arguments will likely be 30 minutes per side.

I don't think the Ct App or AZ Supreme Court would waste much time worrying about the particular decision that was issued today. It was a pretty easy call to be honest, once you got past the sheer volume of accusations.

I do jury (and non-jury) trials as well, but I do prefer appellate courts because (1) the judges are super-smart and (2) juries are unpredictable.

AZ Lawyer, just wanted to give you a big thanks for all the enlightening information your share with us and how simple you explain it for us lay people! Good job and so very much appreciated!

 

[Madeleine74]

If the level of evil is based on number of wounds inflicted on a victim and the number of times someone was killed over again then even on that scale Arias with her 29 stabs and gunshot wound is far behind others. Susan Wright -- 200 stab wounds to her husband. Melanie McGuire - dismembered her husband into parts and put him into 3 suitcases and threw him in some body of water. It probably correlates to level of rage and level of experience or sophistication. I'm assuming a sophisticated killer knows how to kill and I am also assuming they may have done it before so they learned a few things. A rage killer is all about their feelings of rage or abandonment or anger and one might expect their crime scenes to be particularly brutal and chaotic with overkill. Or like some of the crime scenes when someone has been on a cocktail of speed, coke, meth or some combo. Overkill, disordered. Compared to a different kind of killer like a gang member doing drive by shootings. More people are in danger because these killers have no regard for anyone's safety and spray bullets as they go. It's just business as usual for them.

All murder is evil, that's not even in doubt. Arias is a murderer so she is evil. She's the type of killer who kills someone she knows intimately and feels abandoned by, hurt, and betrayed by (intimate partner killing in this case). I personally think other kinds of murderers pose more danger for the general public than the Arias types. But she'll be locked away forever, so that's some comfort.

 

[ElleElle]

I think many people want to find excuses for why a woman commits a violent crime. Most violent criminals have been men but in recent years women's crimes are becoming more and more violent. Still, there are factions of society that believe when a woman kills a man he must have given her a reason--he had to have done something to make her do what she did. For some reason it's harder for many people to grasp that Evilness is a trait not limited to males. That causes people who do grasp the reality to shout louder and clearer that "she's the worst" or "she's evil and heartless and should get the death penalty" and so on.

I think those of us who readily accept that Evil comes in many forms have a need to try to convince the bleeding hearts that we must not cut a murderer more slack simply because she is female. Our society tends to want to do that; hence the shorter/lighter sentences often given to female offenders.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: If Travis had killed Jodi that fateful day, he would have been stewing on death row for at least a couple years already.

Right. Look at Karla Homolka living her life with children in the Caribbean.

Paul Bernardo in isolation for the rest of his natural life. :facepalm:

 

[Dmacky]

When I read her "secret" transcripts ~ JA admits her intention with visiting Ryan Burns after killing Travis was to act normal, and make it seem she’d never been to AZ. :thinking: Hmmm I thought she tried to convince the jury and everyone who would listen that she had no intention of going to TA's, but he "quilted" her into coming. She just totally outed herself that Ryan Burns was indeed her alibi for premeditated murder.

 

[Kensie]

When I read her "secret" transcripts ~ JA admits her intention with visiting Ryan Burns after killing Travis was to act normal, and make it seem she’d never been to AZ. :thinking: Hmmm I thought she tried to convince the jury and everyone who would listen that she had no intention of going to TA's, but he "quilted" her into coming. She just totally outed herself that Ryan Burns was indeed her alibi for premeditated murder.

Good point. Hope the jury picked up on that.

 

[ElleElle]

He caught her lying on a few things, but would the judge care enough to let Juan question her in chambers and enough to where the judge said what Juan was asking her was justified and Juan saying she SHOULD be upset about what was uncovered. I don't know. What did she do?!? Lol.

Was it about being a man hater? Ugh. Gotta go look it up, because this is going bug me.

 

[katydid23]

He caught her lying on a few things, but would the judge care enough to let Juan question her in chambers and enough to where the judge said what Juan was asking her was justified and Juan saying she SHOULD be upset about what was uncovered. I don't know. What did she do?!? Lol.

I thought she was questioned in chambers because of the incident where she left the stand and walked up to TAs sister and said " Sorry, nothing personal..."

 

[MeeBee]

Was it about being a man hater? Ugh. Gotta go look it up, because this is going bug me.

Well I know she exaggerated on her CV about certain things. But I don't know if the judge would consider that enough to warrant questioning. And she lied about a couple things Jodi told her by saying it was just a misunderstanding on her part. But that's hard to prove. I think the others are right that it is about her approaching Samantha. That was a horrible thing to do, btw. But I still don't know.

 

[Nali87]

The only right thing Nurmi and co did was decide NOT to bring Alyce back. Oh how I wish they would have.

 

[katydid23]

Well I know she exaggerated on her CV about certain things. But I don't know if the judge would consider that enough to warrant questioning. And she lied about a couple things Jodi told her by saying it was just a misunderstanding on her part. But that's hard to prove. I think the others are right that it is about her approaching Samantha. That was a horrible thing to do, btw.

I remember Katiecoolady said that was it. She was told that Juan took her to the judge for that and was very very angry at her.

 

[MeeBee]

I remember Katiecoolady said that was it. She was told that Juan took her to the judge for that and was very very angry at her.

Oh ok, I didnt know KCL actually said Juan took that up with the judge though I know Sam told Juan. Rightly so. I would have been livid. That must be it. Thanks.

 

[TorisMom003]

When I read her "secret" transcripts ~ JA admits her intention with visiting Ryan Burns after killing Travis was to act normal, and make it seem she’d never been to AZ. :thinking: Hmmm I thought she tried to convince the jury and everyone who would listen that she had no intention of going to TA's, but he "quilted" her into coming. She just totally outed herself that Ryan Burns was indeed her alibi for premeditated murder.

In the first trial, while on the stand, JA did admit to Juan that Ryan was simply her alibi. If JA tried the same lie this time around, Juan can simply play her previous testimony to this jury where she admits the truth.

MOO

 

[TorisMom003]

Sorry for not going back and replying with quotes to the posts that I am going to respond to, however, JA has not killed anyone else yet while in jail but she HAS gotten into at least one fight that we know of. IMO one of the main reasons why she has not killed anyone else is because she not only does not have a weapon to do so, she is watched now 24/7. Given the chance/opportunity it is my opinion that JA would kill someone else in a heartbeat. It doesn't have to be someone that she is close to, it could be someone that she feels has wronged her in some way. JA is the type of individual that would have become a serial killer if she had not been arrested as soon as she was. Proof of that is the gun (hidden under the hood of the rental car) and knives (hidden in boxes with books) that she packed in the rental car to go on her "trip".

MOO

 

[Nali87]

I don't know if Jodi Arias would have killed again or not, but she took a lot of pleasure in killing Travis Alexander. It takes someone really sick to be able to slit someone's throat. Someone like that, I think, would be capable of killing again (absolutely). But I don't know whether or not she would have followed the urge.