Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 1/9-1/12 Break - Part 2

[MeeBee]

I have a feeling some of the 14 or 11 witnesses are people in Jodi's family, anyone else think so?

We now know Marc McGee is one, Daryl Brewer probably another. He was chomping at the bit to testify in the last, nonexistent mitigation phase so there are two witnesses.

Aunt Sue?

Sandy can't be one- or can she? How does that work... it's not the same rules as trial testimony, so she could, couldn't she?

Does anyone think that Matt McCarthy would be one... especially since he was apparently the one calling Sandy to tell her that her daughter needed to be institutionalized (or some such thing). Another is supposedly a friend/fellow coworker of JAA- right? Who else?

Fonseca- done.

Geffner coming back the 20th?

John Smith- Wednesday.

Who else?

I definitely think the sister is one. In her post conviction interview Jodi said the defense should have called her sister who saw a bunch of bruises on her body. This was a remote attenpt to manipulate her when Jodi saw how supportive she was of her. IMO, the sister is yet another witness Nurmi never actually intended to call. The fear of threat excuse is good for him in a couple ways. He can say this person's testimony would have helped my client but they wouldn't come up, he can say what the testimony would be (she saw bruises all over Jodi's body) and he can get it on record without the testimony having to be put up to cross. That way the future appeals courts will say, or so Nurmi hopes they'll say, why yes, this would have helped her. Juan is good at getting his side in. But it is such an underhanded way of defending someone.

 

[atthelake]

Maybe they too....like Juan.......will ask him for his real name.

..or what is his nickname as that was never answered!

 

[TexMex]

Does it read similar to this account?

http://notesfromaninsider.com/tag/perryville-state-prison/

Very similar. The lady who wrote the book had a cell mate (several...one of whom died at 25 when she got sick and was ignored by staff until she died of leukemia iirc.) She worked and was able to get commissary food and then a fan (she suffered while sick from chemo treatments in 117 degree cell) then finally a color TV. It was hard for her to get money bcse her husband was also in jail for the same white collar crime. She could speak with him twice a year. Perryville allows some sort of basic cable because she tells of watching Pope John Paul II funeral on CNN on her new TV

The Estrella jail was horrible in her experience.

 

[ElleElle]

I have a feeling some of the 14 or 11 witnesses are people in Jodi's family, anyone else think so?

We now know Marc McGee is one, Daryl Brewer probably another. He was chomping at the bit to testify in the last, nonexistent mitigation phase so there are two witnesses.

Aunt Sue?

Sandy can't be one- or can she? How does that work... it's not the same rules as trial testimony, so she could, couldn't she?

Does anyone think that Matt McCarthy would be one... especially since he was apparently the one calling Sandy to tell her that her daughter needed to be institutionalized (or some such thing). Another is supposedly a friend/fellow coworker of JAA- right? Who else?

Fonseca- done.

Geffner coming back the 20th?

John Smith- Wednesday.

Who else?

(ETA People on the DT "wish" list- not necessarily wether or not they want to or are willing to testify for JAA)

I would add: Deanna, Lisa, possible the Freemans.

 

[Bernina]

Unfortunately, she’ll be sent to Perryville which is like a 5 star hotel compared to Estrella. Perryville is a newer facility with larger cells, better mattress, etc. Also if she’s on DR, she can have her own TV and even a fan to cool her off in hot weather. It’s much too nice for the likes of JA.

I wish we had a prisoner exchange program with some third world countries. There she would find out what real hell is and would get the treatment she so richly deserves.

My ex-DH was in Perryville (1984+/-) when it first opened, San Juan Unit. It was all male, medium to minimum security inmates. It was State of the Art as far as prisons and it was relatively "safe". The gang situation was very low key. People wanted to stay out of trouble, do their time, and get out.

It's a far cry from that now, believe me. It is NOT a safe place for guards or inmates. The outside recreational facilities have all but disappeared. Gang violence initiates from the Florence Penitentiary. It's cold in the winter and hot in the summer, dust storms are pretty fierce and usually the whole complex goes on lockdown when they start up. Drugs are brought in by visitors.

For a 30 year old prison, there's nothing new or 5 star about it. Perryville has slid down the ranks to the standard Arizona med/high risk prison. I'd say it was bad as the older part of Florence at this point.

 

[sharpar]

The female friend of hers. Ja was a bridesmaid at her wedding. Friend was the first one speaking of fear threats etc etc.
She had some kind of drug issue and didnt want Juan exposing it as i recall.

Also a former co.worker from one of ja waitress gigs.

 

[atthelake]

I love the wordsmiths that post about this case.

So far, testiphony is my favourite--hope it makes it to the Urban Dictionary!

It has!

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=testiphony

testiphony
to give false testimony
President Clinton gave testiphony when he pointed his finger at the American public and said,"I did not have sex with that woman."

 

[daisydomino]

The female friend of hers. Ja was a bridesmaid at her wedding. Friend was the first one speaking of fear threats etc etc.
She had some kind of drug issue and didnt want Juan exposing it as i recall.

Also a former co.worker from one of ja waitress gigs.

Patricia Womack. IIRC we don't really know why she didn't testify. I do not think Nurmi's cyber-bullying claim is a good reason for closing the court room or witnesses testifying under pseudonyms, but Womack was not treated well by some people on social media. I think I remember that her home address was posted on a popular social media page about the trial. And more. It was ugly.

 

[cindymac]

IF the ASC had overturned the CoA and JSS had already released the transcripts then it could have created an error resulting in a mistrial. I don't know that it absolutely would have, but the defense certainly would have gone to town with it, and any defense team would do the same thing.

I'd love to hear AZLawyer's opinion on this.

 

[cindymac]

The reason for Juan to say that, in my opinion, is because he knows Jodi lied. He was there when her secret testimony was given. He knows and he is aware that everyone else will now know and she will be more of a laughingstock than she already is. It's her own fault. This woman doesn't know how to tell the truth.

Well I don't know why she's so worried. Her fund-raising fans will come up with some kind of "explanation" as to why she didn't come up with the latest tale when it mattered - in the guilt phase. Unless of course, it's so far out there that even they won't be able to reconcile it with all that's gone before. I truly hope it is, for the petty pleasure of imagining how angry Arias is that she's a total laughingstock.

 

[MeeBee]

Patricia Womack. IIRC we don't really know why she didn't testify. I do not think Nurmi's cyber-bullying claim is a good reason for closing the court room or witnesses testifying under pseudonyms, but Womack was not treated well by some people on social media. I think I remember that her home address was posted on a popular social media page about the trial. And more. It was ugly.

But the thing is she was in court and ready to go until after her interview with Juan. Then all of a sudden she was too scared. If it had to do with anything else she would have pulled out sooner or after that day. She also said something about the seriousness of the situation hitting her once she saw the Alexander family.

 

[cindymac]

If Perryville is so much better than Estrella, why is Jodi fighting so hard to delay getting there then???
I do agree with you that she ought to be in prison in Peru. The conditions are alot worse.

Not speaking from personal knowledge, I trust, LOL

ETA: There used to be a show "Banged up Abroad" - the prisons were horrifying.

 

[Ruby]

I agree. Nurmi & Sherry are taking a big bite out of the Appeals Attorneys to come later.

5bigfish5, your post got me thinking .........uh oh, that may not be so good :giggle:

If the Defense Team are tearing apart and fighting so hard for mistrial, motions to higher courts,
this could be better that they're doing it now instead of letting it be done later.

:snowball: (I'd post the tomato throwing but it's snowing outside, lol)
Hear me out, and hopefully I can explain what I'm thinking :crazy::waitasec:

Nurmi&Co, are the lawyers, with info and mis-info. The motion to AC/AZSC has all their info plus JSS info.
If JSS rules on her own (with denials), when trial ends, new lawyers will be assigned and who knows at what time the AC/AZSC will hear them.
Could take awhile, so now you'll have a whole set of fresh eyes, only seeing some info with mis-info and Jodi's word from her new lawyers.
Greater chance for new eyes to "feeeel" for Jodi, and be in her favor.

After typing this out and thinking it through, not sure if I even know what I was trying to get at :blushing:
But it took me too long to type and I'm not deleting it. :giggle:

I'm neither defending nor condemning JSS. Some points I can understand, some I'm still unknown
because of the sealing and silent sidebars, and others are like HUH!?! but if there was anything illegal
I'm positive Juan or state would do something about it.

One more thing, and it's probably important - I'm behind on reading, if post lands after discussion has ended,
I do apologize.

I am not only the owner of my head, I'm also a client and have been using it for quite some time.
Never right or wrong nor good or bad - Just My Opinion.

 

[TexMex]

The transcripts show that Patricia Womack never testified because she was supposedly under death threats. Womack refused to appear on the last day of court. Patricia Womack was a key final witness for Arias. The transcripts show that Martinez told the Judge that she had a drug problem and was skipping her trial date because she was afraid she could be found guilty of violating welfare regulations. Martinez is also heard saying that Womack was hiding money she made from pictures she had sold to a TV station.

http://www.kpopstarz.com/articles/34604/20130715/jodi-arias-trial-transcript-extreme-infighting.htm



Sounds like she sold pictures of Jodi to TV and profited off of the case. She didn't want welfare authorities to know she'd made the money

 

[Val1]

But the thing is she was in court and ready to go until after her interview with Juan. Then all of a sudden she was too scared. If it had to do with anything else she would have pulled out sooner or after that day. She also said something about the seriousness of the situation hitting her once she saw the Alexander family.

BBM - Iirc, she had also said something in one of her media interviews to the effect that until she had heard JA admit it herself, she had believed that she was innocent. It's one thing to support your childhood friend when you believe they're innocent and have fond memories from that time period, it's another when you know they've deliberately driven a thousand miles to viciously murder someone they've proclaimed undying love for.

 

[daisydomino]

But the thing is she was in court and ready to go until after her interview with Juan. Then all of a sudden she was too scared. If it had to do with anything else she would have pulled out sooner or after that day. She also said something about the seriousness of the situation hitting her once she saw the Alexander family.

Yes, it must have had to do with that interview, but it wasn't her drug use or arrest record (if she had one, which I'm still not sure she does see https://m.facebook.com/TransientAmnesia/albums/685606538122108/ )

 

[MeeBee]

Yes, it must have had to do with that interview, but it wasn't her drug use or arrest record (if she had one, which I'm still not sure she does see https://m.facebook.com/TransientAmnesia/albums/685606538122108/ )

Juan said he was questioning her about previous drug use, potential welfare fraud, etc. At that point Willmott stopped the interview and took Patti back. When Patti returned she pleaded the fifth and that was the end of that. He also said she appeared inebriated when she showed up to testify (which she did, IMO). The defense would not have put her on. It could be that Juan was right or the defense. IMO logic points to Juan's explanation being more likely. Again, she was set to go until the interview.

 

[cindymac]

Obviously they wanted Alyce to come back to testify- do you think she is one of the 14/11 they are claiming won't do it?

They are probably counting Jodi's nutty friend who backed out last time too- no?

That reminds me, in the prosecutorial misconduct motion (or perhaps it was the anti-media motion), didn't Nurmi say there were two expert witnesses and one civilian witness refusing to testify? A grand total of three? How is then, that there's suddenly an additional 11 or 9 witnesses balking at testifying?

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I have a feeling some of the 14 or 11 witnesses are people in Jodi's family, anyone else think so?

We now know Marc McGee is one, Daryl Brewer probably another. He was chomping at the bit to testify in the last, nonexistent mitigation phase so there are two witnesses.

Aunt Sue?

Sandy can't be one- or can she? How does that work... it's not the same rules as trial testimony, so she could, couldn't she?

Does anyone think that Matt McCarthy would be one... especially since he was apparently the one calling Sandy to tell her that her daughter needed to be institutionalized (or some such thing). Another is supposedly a friend/fellow coworker of JAA- right? Who else?

Fonseca- done.

Geffner coming back the 20th?

John Smith- Wednesday.

Who else?

(ETA People on the DT "wish" list- not necessarily wether or not they want to or are willing to testify for JAA)

In affidavit style, possibly.... Gus Searcy, Matt McCartney, Pity-Patty Womack, Angela, 2 former co-workers, and a couple of nuts from her support site. Oh, and a former jailhouse roadie (can't recall her name but she was listed once before)

In person, possibly Darryl Brewer, Aunt Sue, and um, that's all got.

 

[cindymac]

But the thing is she was in court and ready to go until after her interview with Juan. Then all of a sudden she was too scared. If it had to do with anything else she would have pulled out sooner or after that day. She also said something about the seriousness of the situation hitting her once she saw the Alexander family.

She invoked the 5th when Juan starting questioning her about drug use and earnings, which might have led to legal problems and trouble with the IRS.

ETA: see that's covered already.