Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 11/17-11/18/14 In recess

[AZlawyer]

"Clue-free" I love it. Can I steal it sometimes?

Of course. It is my kinder and gentler way of saying clueless.

Ok to be fair, I was allowed to testify to things my sister said to me. Why was this allowed AZL?

That depends what she said to you, what the attorney was trying to prove through your testimony about it, and what phase of trial you were in.

 

[lilyet]

It was such a dig. Most other allocutions the defendant will turn to the family of the victims and tearfully apologize, genuine or not. Jodi barely even acknowledged them and then claimed it was because they all looked like her abuser.

No soul. No remorse. Nothing.

Honestly, I am not even sure if she cares what her sentence is. She wants every opportunity to further punish Travis and his family since Travis "made her kill him". She is Mean, so mean spirited.

 

[katiecoolady]

I have the Dutch nationality, yes. My island is part of the Dutch Kingdom. I was born and raised in Curacao (The caribbean), like Aruba, one of the former colonies of the Netherlands. I've been living in the Netherlands for 6 years now, to go to college and graduate school. ANYWAYS.. Long story short I consider myself more of an island girl than a Dutchie.

Waving at you across the miles (isn't the internet amazing?). :seeya:

 

[Nali87]

Waving at you across the miles (isn't the internet amazing?). :seeya:

The coolest! :seeya:

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

What happened was that I was just barely able to get it passed out of my committee (the Professionalism Committee), but the State Bar Board of Governors kept continuing it to the next agenda until it finally fell off the agenda altogether. Then the State Bar disbanded the Professionalism Committee for a few months, then reconstituted it with different people.



Which acts do you mean? He has brought in a lot of them, so I'm trying to think what's been left out.

well for example the fact that she had knives and a gun hidden in a rental car which would go to her state of mind after the fact would be one. And the media interviews she has given post conviction also come to mind. I also thought but maybe I am incorrect but I thought there was something about Juan not being able to call her a liar or something like that.

 

[Hope4More]

Hatfield, during the killer's allocution she referred to Travis' family in the courtroom and said she was disturbed by their physical resemblance to the man she was portraying as her abuser. I thought it was a gawdawful remark and I'm sure I wasn't the only one who gasped.

She despises TA's family. Because in her mind they're all that stood in the way of a 2nd degree murder charge. They refused to give her a chance to walk someday, so they must be punished. I'm sure her hatred has only grown during this round 2, that now its the fault of TA'S family JM won't drop the DP.

 

[MeeBee]

well for example the fact that she had knives and a gun hidden in a rental car which would go to her state of mind after the fact would be one. And the media interviews she has given post conviction also come to mind. I also thought but maybe I am incorrect but I thought there was something about Juan not being able to call her a liar or something like that.

I think Juan can still use her post conviction interviews, though. Haven't seen any motions on that. I do know that Juan can't bring up alleged threats against trial participants, her contraband, and her motion to get Nurmi fired. But I think the interviews are still up for grabs.

 

[ShadyLady]

So Cougarloucious doesn't really have a professional organization or ethical standards she needs to uphold that I can find. I'm not sure if there is a licensing requirement in AZ, but her behaviors appear to be highly unprofessional IMO. So sad that she could continue this sort of behavior and there are no sanctions.

I want to know. Was she charging out to the state $$$$$$ her fund raising activities?? (time and material)

Surely, THAT is against the law???

 

[tveyeonyou]

Wouldn't it be something if your hunch turns out to be true? At this point, I have to say, I hope you are correct. This entire line of testimony has to be taking such a horrendous toll on the Alexander family. They are already broken enough. They need to try to go forward with their lives. They have to do this knowing that they will never again see their brother on this earth. It's got to be creating more deep wounds to hear this malicious slandering of Travis' name. To begin living their new "normal" lives without Travis, a great start at doing so, would definitely include never having to see their brother's killer CMJA again!

Well it seems I'm not the only one afraid/thinking of this exact thing. I saw something going around facebook about the DP being taken off the table, not that I believe most of the crap going around over there but if it turns out that this is what the Alexander Family wants I am in full support, as long as CMJA gets LWOP. So many lives were destroyed that day and I can understand if they can't take this travesty anymore, I don't know if I could handle the burden they've been carrying for so long.
As long as that she-devil never sees the light of day again, as long as that piece of trash and her equally trashy family do not profit in any way, lock her up, throw away the key and let her shrivel up and die sooner rather than later.

 

[katiecoolady]

Of course. It is my kinder and gentler way of saying clueless.



That depends what she said to you, what the attorney was trying to prove through your testimony about it, and what phase of trial you were in.

It was the actual guilt phase and I testified to a lot of what she said to me about the men who killed her, the circumstances, what she was thinking. I don't recall all of it but will be reading my transcript soon so will reflect more. I also don't remember what was objected to but it did come in. I also read her journals from the stand.

 

[hindsight2020]

I want to know. Was she charging out to the state $$$$$$ her fund raising activities?? (time and material)

Surely, THAT is against the law???

I think MDLR has to request approval for any additional expenditures outside the scope of her contract, see link.

http://www.maricopa.gov/OPDS/Assets...tracts/Service_Provider_Contracts/11075-c.pdf

 

[katiecoolady]

She despises TA's family. Because in her mind they're all that stood in the way of a 2nd degree murder charge. They refused to give her a chance to walk someday, so they must be punished. I'm sure her hatred has only grown during this round 2, that now its the fault of TA'S family that JM won't drop the DP.

I heard that exact line of thinking/sentiment directly to my ears by a local reporter who imo operates as an arm for the defense. That this should have been 2nd degree and it's the family's fault entirely that it wasn't.

But when it comes to Arias I think it goes far beyond that. I do think she's that kind of killer who loves revisiting and reliving her crime in any way she can and in continuing to torture his loved ones, she gets some of that by proxy. I do think she's that evil.

 

[AZlawyer]

well for example the fact that she had knives and a gun hidden in a rental car which would go to her state of mind after the fact would be one. And the media interviews she has given post conviction also come to mind. I also thought but maybe I am incorrect but I thought there was something about Juan not being able to call her a liar or something like that.

I think Juan can still use her post conviction interviews, though. Haven't seen any motions on that. I do know that Juan can't bring up alleged threats against trial participants, her contraband, and her motion to get Nurmi fired. But I think the interviews are still up for grabs.

The knives/gun would not have come into evidence because that aspect of her state of mind after the fact was not relevant to whether she acted with premeditation (state of mind before the fact), whether she acted in self-defense, whether Travis suffered (aggravating factor of cruelty), or any other issue that the jury was being asked to decide. Now if she had said something like, "I was so traumatized I was unable to touch knives after that," then JM could have brought it in as rebuttal evidence.

JM can use her post-conviction interviews if she said anything relevant.

I believe KN asked that JM not call her a "liar" but rather just say that she repeatedly lied. Whatever. There's no real distinction IMO. KN just wanted the jury to understand that they were allowed to believe bits of her story if they felt inclined to do so, which is true.

I want to know. Was she charging out to the state $$$$$$ her fund raising activities?? (time and material)

Surely, THAT is against the law???

I would think such charges would be denied, if they were accurately described in the bill.

 

[Moonchime]

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You know I have been thinking a lot about this witness being on the stand. My thoughts are in the direction of why are they doing this to Travis' reputation?!? WHY?

The only thing I can come up with is that JA must have really been the "secret witness." During her time on the witness stand CMJA must have been trying to sell the jurors the story that she was sexually molested as a child.

Then, they follow CMJA's testimony with this Dr.'s, Hoping that this is believed to be a mitigating factor to keep JA from the Death Penalty.

If I am incorrect about CMJA being the secret witness, well then, I'm totally lost as to what in the world the DT is trying to accomplish with this witness.:thinking:

 

[Love Never Fails]

Hatfield, during the killer's allocution she referred to Travis' family in the courtroom and said she was disturbed by their physical resemblance to the man she was portraying as her abuser. I thought it was a gawdawful remark and I'm sure I wasn't the only one who gasped.

Her whole allocution was awful. Her trying to be human just didn't work. Not sure what is under that skin of hers but I am sure it isn't human.

 

[memoriesbymichelle]

AZL but doesn't it matter as far as mitigation? I mean she obviously had no remorse and if she is hiding weapons in a rental car where was she going and what did she need a gun and knives for, which just happened to be what she used to kill Travis. To me that shows she can't be rehabilitated and just like in her interview post conviction she says no one has to worry about her in society if they don't cross her or something to that effect. I know it's the law and I appreciate you deciphering it for us all but in my common sense mind it doesn't make sense that those kind of things can't be used to show why she SHOULD get the DP and not life. LOL when I typed that last sentence it reminded me of Judge Judy. She said something on her show about "it doesn't make sense and if it doesn't make sense it must be a lie" lol

 

[Moonchime]

I heard that exact line of thinking/sentiment directly to my ears by a local reporter who imo operates as an arm for the defense. That this should have been 2nd degree and it's the family's fault entirely that it wasn't.

But when it comes to Arias I think it goes far beyond that. I do think she's that kind of killer who loves revisiting and reliving her crime in any way she can and in continuing to torture his loved ones, she gets some of that by proxy. I do think she's that evil.

Remember also, at one time before JA was convicted of First Degree Murder, she was expressing how Travis' siblings looked so much like him that she found it difficult to look at them? (of course, we know she was lying about the reason. She is so cruel and evil.)

 

[AZlawyer]

It was the actual guilt phase and I testified to a lot of what she said to me about the men who killed her, the circumstances, what she was thinking. I don't recall all of it but will be reading my transcript soon so will reflect more. I also don't remember what was objected to but it did come in. I also read her journals from the stand.

Some possible reasons hearsay would come in (if relevant):

1. Testimony was offered in penalty phase;
2. Prosecutor was not trying to prove that what your sister said was true;
3. The statement was your sister's description of her "present sense impression" or state of mind;
4. The statement was an "excited utterance" made by your sister;
5. The statement was made by your sister soon after an event to record her recollection of the event (journals?).

 

[katiecoolady]

Remember also, at one time before JA was convicted of First Degree Murder, she was expressing how Travis' siblings looked so much like him that she found it difficult to look at them? (of course, we know she was lying about the reason. She is so cruel and evil.)

She's beyond, just beyond anything. The Evil is just beyond.

 

[katiecoolady]

Some possible reasons hearsay would come in (if relevant):

1. Testimony was offered in penalty phase;
2. Prosecutor was not trying to prove that what your sister said was true;
3. The statement was your sister's description of her "present sense impression" or state of mind;
4. The statement was an "excited utterance" made by your sister;
5. The statement was made by your sister soon after an event to record her recollection of the event (journals?).

Pretty sure it was 3.

Then why couldn't Dr. Hiatt come in?