Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 11/26 -12/02/14 In recess

[TDoc72]

Unless she did it in Utah just to be noticed by a cop, a Utah, alibi providing cop.

That has been my theory from day one. I've read other opinions about it, but nothing else makes any sense to me.

 

[ShadyLady]

He's a retired prison warden who is on Maricopy County's list of service providers. He's referred to as a consultant now and gives his opinion regarding how he feels a convict will do in prison or what prison will do to the convict, I think. He's listed on this portion of the Maricopa County website:

https://www.maricopa.gov/OPDS/Assets/Documents/Service_Providers/PrisonExpert.pdf

ETA: I have no idea if this guy is a witness for the defense. Where did that info. come from?

Thanks for that information. I read it here on WS that he was on witness list, not sure if he is still on it or not.

So probably he does not know her personally I imagine.

Looked up what a prison expert does:

Expert witnesses who are available to consult and testify regarding jails and prisons may be found here. Jail and prison experts found on this page may consult on issues involving prison policies and procedures, physical restraints, and female inmate issues. These experts may provide reports on jail safety, strip searches, and penitentiaries. Expert witnesses found through this page may also testify regarding correctional facilities, the criminal justice system, imprisonment, incarceration, correctional facilities standards of care, the juvenile justice system, and inmates, as well as related issues.

http://www.jurispro.com/category/jails-and-prisons-s-147/

Don't understand how this is a migrator.

 

[gcharlie]

I am still wondering what the story is about James Aiken. He works for prison or jail and was on her witness list??

Somehow I think there is a bigger story there? Has he become a friend? An advocate? What?

Seems she is in no hurry to leave where she is at. Makes me wonder. Will we ever be able to see first witness list?

I doubt there is a bigger story there. Aiken is an excellent expert witness when it comes to the mitigation phase in DP trials. I believe that he is anti death penalty. His usual approach is two pronged. He points out that the inmate poses no future dangerousness (if facts support that) to other inmates if given life and thus being in gen pop. Along with that, he usually tries to frame an argument that the defendant may be more likely to be a target than targeted by other inmates.

From what I have seen, he presents a good case. His background, methods and research are of a completely different calibre than other defense experts this defense has used. Ultimately, after cross by Martinez, how the jury weighs his testimony has more to do with their own individual views of the death penalty as it applies to this particular crime and defendant.

 

[Nali87]

You just got me thinking, and maybe it was already talked about, but I wonder if JSS wasn't indeed trying to protect JA's parents by allowing the 'secret' testimony. I wouldn't put it past JA to come up w/ a story that both of her parents sexually abused her when she young. She probably told the judge that she wanted to protect their reputation (just like she did Travis's) and that she wouldn't testify about her parents unless everyone was locked out.
I don't know, I'm still dumbfounded by it all.

I doubt it, tbh. Because the "secret" testimony was going to be released after the verdict. I don't see the point in postponing the inevitable.

I think Jodi played the "the media will talk about my testimony nonstop and influence the jury" card. I'm glad the Court of Appeals made JSS open the court because closing off the courtroom for Jodi's testimony might have led to Juan not being to mention what she testified about to other witnesses or in his closing unless the courtroom was closed again.

 

[Hope4More]

That's interesting. I might consider it if anyone can come up with how that might conceal rather than scream "Look here!"

Did she think cameras on the road would not register her car passing by if it could not read the plate? Is that possible? And did that scenario ever show in a movie?

I just can't figure something that is likely to ATTRACT the interest of a traffic cop being used as a ploy to conceal. What am I missing?

IMO you aren't missing anything. I've always believed she stopped at the AZ -Utah border and flipped the plate. Not to conceal, but to get pulled over, more Utah alibi. But who knows. She's too twisted to figure out.

 

[gcharlie]

Wonder how many file memos Nurmi has written to cover his butt in terms of advising Arias and her insistent that he do things her way against his advice.

Doctors cover themselves with "against medical advice." Maybe Nurmi has tons of "against legal advice" memos. LOL

 

[TDoc72]

Re: secret testimony
I think she was either going to add or subtract from her story, leaving her followers asking questions. Her most avid fans would excuse anything, but I could see some turning against her.

I really want more about the COA to come out. I really want to know both the Judge's & Nurmi's arguments.

 

[Nali87]

IMO you aren't missing anything. I've always believed she stopped at the AZ -Utah border and flipped the plate. Not to conceal, but to get pulled over, more Utah alibi. But who knows. She's too twisted to figure out.

Flipping the plate to attract attention in UTAH is a possibility, but I think there's easier ways she could have done it. What are the chances she'd run into a traffic cop and be stopped? She couldn't be sure that would happen. If all she wanted to do was an alibi that she was in Utah, I think the receipts she kept as proof were enough. She also could have stopped at shops with camera's etc.

 

[Hope4More]

As far as I know- no- it has never been released... nor do I think it should be. Just my personal opinion. Would I like to see it- you bet I would.

It must be a truly horrible letter for the Alexanders to not want it released. They're willing to sit through a sentencing retrial, they've endured endless months of victimization by their brother's murderer, and they've had the courage to do all that despite knowing how ugly it was going to get.

A horrible letter, and maybe they are protecting the only tiny sliver of privacy the murderer can't force open and smear.

 

[Nali87]

I doubt there is a bigger story there. Aiken is an excellent expert witness when it comes to the mitigation phase in DP trials. I believe that he is anti death penalty. His usual approach is two pronged. He points out that the inmate poses no future dangerousness (if facts support that) to other inmates if given life and thus being in gen pop. Along with that, he usually tries to frame an argument that the defendant may be more likely to be a target than targeted by other inmates.

From what I have seen, he presents a good case. His background, methods and research are of a completely different calibre than other defense experts this defense has used. Ultimately, after cross by Martinez, how the jury weighs his testimony has more to do with their own individual views of the death penalty as it applies to this particular crime and defendant.

Yes you're totally right. He doesn't seem like shady character. Didn't he testify in the Bryan Hulsey trial, and was cross examined by Juan?

 

[Hope4More]

Flipping the plate to attract attention in UTAH is a possibility, but I think there's easier ways she could have done it. What are the chances she'd run into a traffic cop and be stopped? She couldn't be sure that would happen. If all she wanted to do was an alibi that she was in Utah, I think the receipts she kept as proof were enough. She also could have stopped at shops with camera's etc.

I do a LOT of long distance road trips. I've noticed pretty much everywhere I go that out of state license plates attract police attention. An upside down out of state license plate ? It screams --stop me!!

She's no criminal mastermind. Staging such a sloppy burglary at her grandparents' house? Leaving the camera? How stupid can you be? And calling the police to offer help is no better.

She's been blinded by her supremely misplaced confidence in herself at every step of the way.

 

[Steve44]

I am not sure Travis mistook sex for love in that relationship. I think he had sex on his mind a lot which is typical for many men around his age, and what she offered was tantalizing enough that he could not turn it down. But aside from their sexual relationship, I think Travis truly cared for Jodi.

Travis was, as you point out, far more patient than most guys would or could be under some circumstances that have now been brought to light; that was because he really did care about Jodi as a person, IMO. There are too many examples of him trying to help her out for me to believe he didn't care at all beyond the sex.

Not mistook sex for love, took it as an expression of love, of Jodi's love for him. In other words, he thought Jodi actually gave a damn about him as a human being because she was willing to have sex with him, when in fact, nothing could have been further from the truth.

 

[Nali87]

It must be a truly horrible letter for the Alexanders to not want it released. They're willing to sit through a sentencing retrial, they've endured endless months of victimization by their brother's murderer, and they've had the courage to do all that despite knowing how ugly it was going to get.

A horrible letter, and maybe they are protecting the only tiny sliver of privacy the murderer can't force open and smear.

You're probably right but I don't get it! They really want Jodi to get the death penalty. If the letter is so horrible it could actually lead Jodi to the DP. I don't understand why they wouldn't use it to help their cause. Maybe there's a legal reason it couldn't be entered; I know JM wasn't allowed to argue remorse right? Maybe the only way he could have introduced the letter was if he was allowed to talk remorse.

Maybe the Alexanders are just remaining quiet and keep everything trial related private until after sentencing as to not be accused to be influecing the trial.

 

[janx]

You're probably right but I don't get it! They really want Jodi to get the death penalty. If the letter is so horrible it could actually lead Jodi to the DP. I don't understand why they wouldn't use it to help their cause. Maybe there's a legal reason it couldn't be entered; I know JM wasn't allowed to argue remorse right? Maybe the only way he could have introduced the letter was if he was allowed to talk remorse.

Maybe the Alexanders are just remaining quiet and keep everything trial related private until after sentencing as to not be accused to be influecing the trial.

It might not be horrible in quite that way, Nali. It might not be valuable as to her sentencing. I can understand the Alexanders' not wanting it out in the open. They would have to live through it again.

 

[Truth Detector]

I am not sure Travis mistook sex for love in that relationship. I think he had sex on his mind a lot which is typical for many men around his age, and what she offered was tantalizing enough that he could not turn it down. But aside from their sexual relationship, I think Travis truly cared for Jodi.

Travis was, as you point out, far more patient than most guys would or could be under some circumstances that have now been brought to light; that was because he really did care about Jodi as a person, IMO. There are too many examples of him trying to help her out for me to believe he didn't care at all beyond the sex.

That was true until May 2008, when her "evilness" went over the line -- and he told her so.

He also told others that she was dangerous, and not to be surprised if he turned up dead.

“Travis came over to our house at least every week, we had family dinners and we would always ask him about, how’s his love life, who’s he dating and recently, at that time, he had decided to leave Jodi and explained that the next day he was going to leave in his car and his tires were slashed,” Dr. Hiatt said on HLN. “And the Sunday after that, he told us about it, and said, ‘Don’t be surprised if one of these Sundays, I don’t show up and you find me dead someplace.’
“And we all just thought, wow, she really must be mad. And he said, ‘I’m serious.’ And we said, ‘we got it’.

 

[Dr. Know?]

In regards to Aikens, here's three articles about 3 different cases he has testified in, on a quick search. The second article linked below give you an idea of his "style".


Moussaoui: 'No remorse' for 9/11

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/04/13/moussaoui.trial/index.html?_s=PM:LAW

Prison expert testifies that killer Ricardo Serrano wouldn't be a threat to inmates

http://www.oregonlive.com/washingtoncounty/index.ssf/2010/03/prison_expert_testifies_that_k.html

Jury hears testimony in sentencing phase of Gibson trial

William Clyde Gibson convicted of killing Christine Whitis

http://www.wlky.com/news/local-news...serial-killer-found-guilty-of-murder/22665984

 

[Hope4More]

You're probably right but I don't get it! They really want Jodi to get the death penalty. If the letter is so horrible it could actually lead Jodi to the DP. I don't understand why they wouldn't use it to help their cause. Maybe there's a legal reason it couldn't be entered; I know JM wasn't allowed to argue remorse right? Maybe the only way he could have introduced the letter was if he was allowed to talk remorse.

Maybe the Alexanders are just remaining quiet and keep everything trial related private until after sentencing as to not be accused to be influecing the trial.

The letter described 2 ninjas killing Travis. There would be no way for JM to argue that she was accurately describing the scene. She could also argue that Flores encouraged her to write the letter..a half-truth, but that's 50% more then she usually is good for.

IIRC, the Alexanders believe she described his suffering accurately...what sounds he made, his attempt to get away, his collapse. But all attributed to the ninjas.

 

[Truth Detector]

BBM - It seems like JA was skilled at charming the heck out of many guys. It was obvious that Darryl Brewer still had feelings for her, even though he cost her his house! And many of Travis's friends seemed to like her - at least at first. Look how much the Hugheses thought of her until they found out how much of a liar and a manipulator she was.

We are obviously seeing her through a different prism, but she does or at least did have some skills at pretending to be a human being that managed to win guys over, including Travis until that last week or so.

BBM

Well, when you wrap up your first date servicing your new beau with a BJ in the parking lot, sometimes (always?) he'll come back for more.

That doesn't, however, mean that you're the marrying kind (never?).

 

[Truth Detector]

"Thanksgiving Scrooge" lol!

Lonnie Dworkin said in his testimony on day 12 in the criminal phase that the EnCase image is compared bit for bit with the original to make sure it's a clean copy. It's more than just comparing the MD5 or SHA256 hashes, but even just comparing the hashes will show if even one bit was flipped.

ETA: I went back and read the author's follow up article about hash values http://whereismydata.wordpress.com/2009/09/08/forensics-hashes-do-they-work/ . Okay, so it's possible. Unlikely, but possible. I am not a computer forensics expert.

BBM

Like Neumeister is?

He's a computer forensics expert about like Jodi is a survivor of domestic violence.

Or like Richard Samuels is objective.

 

[Nali87]

WOW!
Browsing for tweets describing Juan Martinez crossexamining James Aiken in the Bryan Hulsey case, and lord, what a difference between that judge and JSS.

Jen's Trial Diaries@TrialDiariesJ
Def starts to argue with Judge about Juan's questioning and Judge tells defense to stop right now. They r wasting jury's time

When's last time u looked at Dept. of Corr guidelines? Last week. Juan asks Aiken 2 look at him & Judge says no don't go there

No sidebar. Just keeping order in his courtroom. JSS could learn a thing or two.