Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 11/3/14 Hearing - Part 2

[josie1986]

Now had time to look at the motion properly....I am beyond pizzed St this.

I know nurmi and wilmott are low and willing to stoop well below The belt but this is ridiculous.

Why would so many departments be in cahoots to make jodi out to be a liar (when she is so good at that herself) and frame her? I dunno whether to laugh or cry.

Guess this motion is also proof of life after death since travis has apparently accessed his laptop after she butchered him....yeah okay.

I know the people nurmi defends in private practice aren't exactly wonderful but even then does he not realise he Is ruining himself with all this beyond stupid carp. His credibility etc same with wilmott. Not only that he could really mess with juans career accusing him of this.


BEYOND ANNOYED!!!

 

[Sedonia Sunset]

I went back to see what I could find about TA's computer.

"Mesa investigators are expected to testify that they found no evidence of child on Alexander's computers or in his home.

"Computer forensic evidence is better than DNA. It doesn't lie. There was absolutely nothing on Travis Alexander's computer to show he ever had anything to do with child ," Phoenix attorney Jason Lamm told 3TV. Lamm is providing trial analysis for HLN.

Read more: http://www.azfamily.com/news/Arias-...during-testimony-190791481.html#ixzz3IjCgZgz0


Okay, so it was said at the time there was no CHILD found. Not necessarily that no of any kind was found? If there was evidence of ANY kind of , I still don't think Flores would have erased it.

Re: Erasure of thousand of files. This would not need to be a lengthy process. Files do not need to be deleted one at a time. An entire folder containing hundred or thousand of files - whatever is in that folder - can be deleted at one time.

But it is difficult to delete existing files by accident. Because you are always asked "Are you sure?"

Speaking from a Windows point of view, simple file deletion does not actually delete a file, in any case, even if it asks you. It removes a pointer to that file's allocated space on the hard drive, and then makes that space available for future writing. And even THAT doesn't occur until the trash is "emptied", so files can be easily restored up to that point.

To truly delete a file, that space must be overwritten, usually many times over, preferably with some sort of digital shredder program that the average user isn't even aware of. I sometimes use the File Shredder utility that is part of the Acronis (backup) program suite. I use it, for instance, if I want to delete a file that has passwords or credit card numbers or anything else that I truly want to delete. Even then, it gives me a choice of "fast" deletion or super-duper (at least 5 passes, and much slower) deletion.

 

[rose222]

I just checked in here to see if Trial is still set for Wednesday and OMG ... OMG ... WTH and WTF ?

I do NOT believe for one minute that Travis was looking up any sites on his computer -- especially child ! Absolutely NO way !

And IF -- IF there was any type of whatsoever on his computer, you can bet your boots Jodi Arias put it there !

This defense has gone waaaaaaaaaaay too far ... it is absolutely incomprehensible that the defense is even allowed to put out such BS about Travis ... Travis' Family has been through enough !

Absolutely despicable the lengths Nurmi and Wilmott have gone through for this CMJA !

Sorry for the rant ... but I got out of bed just so I could vent !


lease: for Travis and His Family !!!

DGC :seeya:

I agree with you that the defense has gone way too far. I do wonder how they are able to live with themselves. I used to believe that the lawyers from the Florida trial were the worst but at least they did not blame the victim and fight for forged letters/fake computer 'evidence' to be allowed into trial. I can't say anymore without getting banned.

I guess KCL was right. This trial will drag on and on till next year with no end in sight.

I just hope Travis' loved ones are okay.

A little quote from Gandhi to help us maintain our sanity: "When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall, always."

 

[josie1986]

I really can't get over this,absolutely gone too far this time.

The way I am feeling right now both of them should be disbarred for this conduct.

They are literally a step away from accusing juan of going into the jail and attacking jodi....that's how ridiculous this all is.

Can really see juan going for the jugular now after this

 

[Sedonia Sunset]

Maybe this is another of Nurmi's goals:
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no court tomorrow defense team can get rest after making sure all jurors yards get 50 papers tomorrow with headline #jodiarias
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I think that's the sole motive here. KN hopes that at least one jury member sees or hears even a snippet of that and cuts CMJA some slack because Travis was ostensibly a pervert that deserved to be butchered alive. As many have said here, men (and even women) often have on their computers (and elsewhere). They're men, it happens. I suspect there are thousands of wives out that that would be very surprised, indeed, to see what might be in the the browser cache's of their husbands' computers, even those of many of the fine, upstanding, Mormon men. They may not overtly save the files, but the files are there, anyway, at least temporarily. That CAN happen accidentally, BTW. Have you ever guessed at a logical website name for a famous person, for instance, only to misspell it by ONE letter and end up on a page full of ? I have. That was about 13 years ago, and, I've been pretty careful about guessing website names ever since then. That particular instance was quite memorable for me because I was at WORK at the time and had left my desk for a break while waiting for the slow network to come up, so my screen was full of some major hard-core popups (before we had popup blockers), unattended, for about 15 minutes.

What place has got in this case? Images of CMJA's not-so-private parts were shown up close and personal in the courtroom. THAT was . SHE was the one taking and posing for pornographic photos. The DT has negated any impact MORE would have. In the overall scheme of the trial, it's pretty much a non-issue at this point. They had down & dirty, free-wheeling, uninhibited sex. So what?

Of course, KN wants to HINT that there was child found on the computer and subsequently deleted by LE, which makes no sense. If nothing else, any child found would be SAVED by LE in pursuit of child investigation, so it STILL would make no sense for anyone to deliberately erase any trace of from Travis' computer, whether or not it was adult or child in nature.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

Hmmm Nurmi listed one date that I don't think would of been Travis. He'd been dead six day by then. June 10,2008.

Still pages behind. Great catch!

 

[Sedonia Sunset]

defense motion
http://lmgcorporate.com/kpho/news/defensemotion.pdf

So, basically, KN is saying that there MAY be proof of child on the hard drive, but they won't know that until AFTER the sentencing, so you'll just have to take their word for it. Uh huh.

Then he goes the extra mile to wonder, on the record, what ELSE the State has destroyed in order to further their case, such as texts, emails, etc., given the complete and utter lack of credibility of the prosecutor and, especially, Det. Flores.

KN states that the computer was access WITHOUT the "write blocker" setting while in Det. Flores' custody. I don't know many details about how computer forensics programs operate, but I'm pretty sure that the DEFAULT would be to NOT be able to change evidence in any way. Even to make copies, the program should not allow the original to be changed. It makes a copy of it, and the COPY is then analyzed. KN knows that full well.

 

[bsk]

I wanted to add to what Sedonia Sunset said a few posts earlier, as I think there was some confusion several pages ago over what deleting and wiping and so on mean. I'm not a computer forensics expert, but have worked with computers forever. If this is all a mystery to you, I'll try to explain via a crude analogy.

The computer has a file manager of some sort and that's where everything is handled that the user normally sees. You can think of the hard disk as being a huge stack of sheets of paper and the file manager as being its table of contents. When you create a file, it can say "pages 567-569 are open so I'll use those". (It's actually more complicated than that, as they don't have to be consecutive.) Then later you tell the file manager to delete that file. It doesn't actually change the pages; it just notes in the table of contents that those pages are now available for use for some other file.

Wiping as discussed here doesn't mean wiping out the whole hard drive with a giant magnet or anything like that. There are programs that can be used to "shred" the unused pages continuing the earlier analogy. You might find such programs if you search for "secure deletion" or something like that. (You certainly should be aware of them whenever you donate an old computer to Goodwill etc.) What they do is determine the areas of the hard disk that are not being used according to the file manager and make a series of passes to overwrite those areas with 1s and 0s to eliminate whatever used to be there.

What a forensics expert would do in addition to searching 'normal' files is to use programs that search the 'unused' disk areas to find files that are only lacking a pointer. To go back to the original analogy, he'd take a look at pages 567-569 that the table of contents said were unused and see if he could find anything there. Like looking at the writing on a page he'd try to find a file that was still intact but just didn't have any pointer to it from the file manager.

When it comes to accessing the internet there are several things that come into play. You can download files of course. The browser also keeps a history of sites visited by storing the list of URLs accessed along with date/timestamps. Many sites add cookies when you open a page there. Cookies are tiny files with some information about your use of the site. For example, websleuths.com no doubt adds a cookie so that you don't need to re-enter a password every time you open websleuths. There's also a browser cache that relates to the history more or less, saving time reloading recently visited pages. I won't go into further detail, but there is lots that a computer forensics expert can look for.

 

[bsk]

I think that's the sole motive here. KN hopes that at least one jury member sees or hears even a snippet of that and cuts CMJA some slack because Travis was ostensibly a pervert that deserved to be butchered alive....(snipped the rest of this excellent post to save space)

Absolutely! If he has his way, all the jury might accidentally hear outside the courtroom is that JA was convicted for killing some child molester.

 

[Nali87]

Oh lord what is going on now? I just can't imagine the police department actually destroying evidence in this trial. Why would they delete anyways? to me, is no big deal. Why would they delete it? They had no idea of JA's defense? Plus I remember Det. Flores stating that their technicians would never alter evidence - when JA suggested as much in regards to the pictures found on the camera. I hope this is not true. I do not want a mistrial. When will this be over!?

 

[rose222]

Oh lord what is going on now? I just can't imagine the police department actually destroying evidence in this trial. Why would they delete anyways? to me, is no big deal. Why would they delete it? They had no idea of JA's defense? Plus I remember Det. Flores stating that their technicians would never alter evidence - when JA suggested as much in regards to the pictures found on the camera. I hope this is not true. I do not want a mistrial. When will this be over!?

Worst case scenario...Jeff Gold talked about double jeopardy and Arias being set free. I wonder if that's true or there will be a retrial?

If Arias does get a great, big break then I'll blame a whole list of people but Travis and our prosecutor won't be on that list. I have full faith in them.

 

[katydid23]

Oh MY, so depressed after watching CNN just now. Big blaring BS about how JA is potentially getting a new trial due to prosecutorial misconduct. What lazy, sloppy reporting. :facepalm:

 

[bsk]

To add to/sum up what some others have pointed out (and maybe add one new twist)....

According to this, Travis just happened to start accessing internet on the same day JA stole the gun she used in killing him. And he even continued accessing it after she had killed him. That seems credible - NOT!

And further, it means that in the course of three hours from check-out time to check-in time - so not counting any transportation time, time spent waiting at the forensics end, time spent waiting for Flores after they were done, etc. - that they were able to find and delete every single one of thousands of references to sites on Travis's computer. The transportation and wait times could have been short - maybe it was in the same building and Flores had a person ready to start on it right away and he stayed to leave with it as soon as they were done - but still this seems very fishy to me. If he got the forensics people to participate in this grand conspiracy, then was he too stupid to remove any record of having brought it over there? I most certainly think NOT!

Even though it seems rather far-fetched, it seems more likely given the timing that Jodi sent him an email with a link she got him to click on that infected his computer with malware when she started planning his murder. (Others have theorized that above.) However, if she had done that, then it seems like she would have been able to get Dworkin to find this alleged evidence at that time. All she had to say was, "I know it was there because he showed me some on that last day we were together," and the Dworkin could have dug further.

I smell a rat, and it's not in the Mesa PD or DA's office.

 

[Nali87]

Detective Flores talking to Jodi Arias about police "editing" evidence.

(Thanks to this useful thread http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...PTS-of-the-Interrogation-Videos-of-Jodi-Arias and user TxJan1971 )


02:12
01:50
JA: Those pictures are, I don’t know, to me, pictures are very compelling. Umm…I know that they can be modified and they can be altered and date and time stamps, I don’t know, but I… I think they can be tampered with…

02:05
DF: I didn’t modify anything.

02:05
JA: I didn’t think you would.

02:06
DF: We take absolutely special care of what we do.

02:10
I know.

02:12
DF: We actually take an image of that card or let’s say you got a computer, we take an image of that hard drive and make a copy of it. We don’t even touch your hard drive. We just work with the copy. And that’s exactly what we do with the photos. We don’t work with the originals. We just make an exact digital copy of everything …. (unintelligible) so we don’t touch it, and then we analyze it, and our guys are so good, every case they’ve ever done that I know of has never been lost in court. It’s been argued and argued and argued. There’s no way that they duplicate or that they enhance or that they change or that they do anything to a photo.

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Jodi Ann Arias, on the other hand, has proven she's not above forgery.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

I couldn't finish reading past the site names and dates, it was too nauseating and I knew what it would say, knowing the tack Nurmi/JA is taking at this point.

If Travis had been into of any sort, it would have been a longer-term interest. I think it's telling that all the sites and dates mention go to the end of the premeditation phase of JA's nefarious plan. It is also after the time JA claims she saw child "" picture on the computer, oops... actual photograph. It's so obvious to me at first glance.

This motion will set prosecution experts into a frenzy of re-examination of their evidence. This will take time, which is exactly what Nurmi wants.

For the sake of my own sanity, I'm going to opine that it's just another trick dreamed up by JA during her pro-per phase a little while back.

While not giving exact quotes, everything Nurmi wrote about the sites were equivocal, using terms such as "possibly" which leads me to believe he has to do this for his client.

 

[Steve44]

Detective Flores talking to Jodi Arias about police "editing" evidence.

(Thanks to this useful thread http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...PTS-of-the-Interrogation-Videos-of-Jodi-Arias and user TxJan1971 )


02:12
01:50
JA: Those pictures are, I don’t know, to me, pictures are very compelling. Umm…I know that they can be modified and they can be altered and date and time stamps, I don’t know, but I… I think they can be tampered with…

02:05
DF: I didn’t modify anything.

02:05
JA: I didn’t think you would.

02:06
DF: We take absolutely special care of what we do.

02:10
I know.

02:12
DF: We actually take an image of that card or let’s say you got a computer, we take an image of that hard drive and make a copy of it. We don’t even touch your hard drive. We just work with the copy. And that’s exactly what we do with the photos. We don’t work with the originals. We just make an exact digital copy of everything …. (unintelligible) so we don’t touch it, and then we analyze it, and our guys are so good, every case they’ve ever done that I know of has never been lost in court. It’s been argued and argued and argued. There’s no way that they duplicate or that they enhance or that they change or that they do anything to a photo.

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Jodi Ann Arias, on the other hand, has proven she's not above forgery.

Yea, this can't be what Nurmi is claiming it is. They just would not do that, and the dates just make no sense and are suspicious in themselves. There's got to be plenty here that Juan and his team can work with to resolve this in the prosecutions favor. These guys are pros, so let's hope they can cut through this BS in very short order.

 

[Nali87]

Yea, this can't be what Nurmi is claiming it is. They just would not do that, and the dates just make no sense and are suspicious in themselves. There's got to be plenty here that Juan and his team can work with to resolve this in the prosecutions favor. These guys are pros, so let's hope they can cut through this BS in very short order.

I hope so too! I just can't wrap my head around a detective who knows that everything you do to a hard drive is recorded and can be found by technicians, doing something like this. He knows more than anyone what good IT guys can find out about. And I can't see these IT guys, deleting something either, knowing as well how easy it would be to prove that things were deleted.

 

[Steve44]

I hope so too! I just can't wrap my head around a detective who knows that everything you do to a hard drive is recorded and can be found by technicians, doing something like this. He knows more than anyone what good IT guys can find out about. And I can't see these IT guys, deleting something either, knowing as well how easy it would be to prove that things were deleted.

And on the date the alleged deletions took place, June 19, 2009, the prosecution would have no way of knowing that '' would have anything to do with the case at all. They would be focusing on the mountain of hard evidence in a brutal murder. Why would they even take the time, not to mention the risk, of deleting '' when they had no way of knowing it would be in any way pertinent to the case? It makes no sense.

 

[Ricki]

No it makes no sense at all. She said he was into child prior to her concocted story. All of the sudden they allegedly have on his computer days before the slaughter and AFTER he was murdered. Very interesting , highly suspicious. I can see Juan coming out with guns a blazing. Tomorrow should be interesting and highly fueled. Hope heads roll at this point. Chances are we won't get to see or hear it though.



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[Steve44]

No it makes no sense at all. She said he was into child prior to her concocted story. All of the sudden they allegedly have on his computer days before the slaughter and AFTER he was murdered. Very interesting , highly suspicious. I can see Juan coming out with guns a blazing. Tomorrow should be interesting and highly fueled. Hope heads roll at this point. Chances are we won't get to see or hear it though.



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I can't wait to see Juan's response to this. And Nurmi may be stuck with open court since he didn't request the motion to be sealed. Who knows WTH JSS will do, however.