Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 11/3/14 Hearing - Part 2

[Hope4More]

Not trying to be a contrarian, but I disagree that the DT is desperate. Nurmi doesn't have a lot to work with in substance but he's proven himself a master of delay, which may yet doom any chance of a DP sentence. That's not desperation. It's strategy, however slimy and low it goes.

In for a dime and all that...... I don't think anyone here thinks JM or TA's family should or will be bullied into dropping the DP. BUT....again, IF (and inly if) for whatever reason JM can't adequately refute these allegations and IF at that point continuing on to obtain a DP may jeopardize the guilty verdict, then heck yah I think he should drop the DP.

 

[RadarLuv]

I happen to think JM is quite cute. Maybe a little short in stature, but so am I. I love his tenaciousness.

OMG, a stud is the last thing that repulsive twit is! uke:

 

[RadarLuv]

It may well be a strategy, but it is a desperate on when you can find no other way to defend your "client".

Though I will agree that it could be successful.

Not trying to be a contrarian, but I disagree that the DT is desperate. Nurmi doesn't have a lot to work with in substance but he's proven himself a master of delay, which may yet doom any chance of a DP sentence. That's not desperation. It's strategy, however slimy and low it goes.

 

[blefuscu]

When was the mirror copy made from Travis' computer by forensics?

I'm almost positive that the young detective who testified in the first phase of the trial about the computer (can't remember his name) said that the mirror copy was made immediately when he first began work on the computer and that was what he worked with.

 

[MeeBee]

Not trying to be a contrarian, but I disagree that the DT is desperate. Nurmi doesn't have a lot to work with in substance but he's proven himself a master of delay, which may yet doom any chance of a DP sentence. That's not desperation. It's strategy, however slimy and low it goes.

In for a dime and all that...... I don't think anyone here thinks JM or TA's family should or will be bullied into dropping the DP. BUT....again, IF (and inly if) for whatever reason JM can't adequately refute these allegations and IF at that point continuing on to obtain a DP may jeopardize the guilty verdict, then heck yah I think he should drop the DP.

Agree! I looked up Nurmi's credentials and he's quite educated and has a masters in criminal justice. The man knows exactly what he's doing.

 

[Hope4More]

Thank you so much, Hope4More. Honest mistake, IMO, and I had no idea you'd been reminded that there is a very real Jack in this case. It's just that Jack was so young when he was exposed to this evil murderer it struck me wrong.

I appreciate your posts, Hope4More!

Thank you, on both counts. The appreciation is mutual.

 

[TDoc72]

I wish someone would tell the COA that both Brewster & Womack were so threatened that they later went on tv and gave interviews with both their names and faces visible.

 

[MeeBee]

I'm almost positive that the young detective who testified in the first phase of the trial about the computer (can't remember his name) said that the mirror copy was made immediately when he first began work on the computer and that was what he worked with.

That's interesting. So if he was working with th oroginal copy then the reason he didn't see the has nothing to do with any alleged deletions or over writes. The defense expert probably also worked with this copy, right? Something is off!

Eta: and deleting things a year later would serve no purpose since the copy'd been made and was already in use...so what the hell?

 

[gcharlie]

Lol my brother came to visit in the early 2000's... And when he left i started getting popups ...he never has been allowed on my computer since. :blushing:

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My son's friend severely infected son's computer when they were in their mid teens. I had to uninstall and reinstall Windows. This was not the first such experience with said friend, who was no longer able to use the computer while at our house. I had a long talk with his mother, but to no avail.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I just hate the way law enforcement is treated in trial. Instead of being respected they are treated worse than the criminals who are actually on trial. Hate it!

Because the Attorneys have carte blanche to malign them - no slander/ libel laws apply to them.... no consequences.

 

[Hope4More]

That's interesting. So if he was working with th oroginal copy then the reason he didn't see the has nothing to do with any alleged deletions or over writes. The defense expert probably also worked with this copy, right? Something is off!

Eta: and deleting things a year later would serve no purpose since the copy'd been made and was already in use...so what the hell?

Exactly. Which is why I've been so curious about the mirror copy made. I don't see any mention of it, or of 2 HD's in Nurmi's egregious attack motion. WTH indeed.

 

[Tammy N]

In regards the latest motion, and maybe this was mentioned - I haven't caught up completely - but one of the dates that was supposedly accessed was 6/10/08. It isn't even possible that Travis accessed on that day on his computer?

 

[T-4-2]

Just a quick comment regarding data tampering. Watch the first few minutes of this part of Jodi's interrogation. Detective Flores has just told her about the evidence against her and shown her some of the pictures from the day she murdered Travis, she keeps insisting she wasn't there and says the date and time stamps could have been tampered with, altered, modified, etc... Det. Flores basically tells her "Oh Don't Even."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k29w7HjsVM

 

[Quiet Time]

Not trying to be a contrarian, but I disagree that the DT is desperate. Nurmi doesn't have a lot to work with in substance but he's proven himself a master of delay, which may yet doom any chance of a DP sentence. That's not desperation. It's strategy, however slimy and low it goes.

In for a dime and all that...... I don't think anyone here thinks JM or TA's family should or will be bullied into dropping the DP. BUT....again, IF (and inly if) for whatever reason JM can't adequately refute these allegations and IF at that point continuing on to obtain a DP may jeopardize the guilty verdict, then heck yah I think he should drop the DP.

I understand, I just see things alittle differently right now. And as far as JA possibly getting the DP removed....and she gets thrown into general population, she's going to wish she'd gotten the DP. imo

 

[daisydomino]

I wish someone would tell the COA that both Brewster & Womack were so threatened that they later went on tv and gave interviews with both their names and faces visible.

And ALV has since continued to do speaking engagements and interviews promoting her book.

 

[daisydomino]

That's interesting. So if he was working with th oroginal copy then the reason he didn't see the has nothing to do with any alleged deletions or over writes. The defense expert probably also worked with this copy, right? Something is off!

Eta: and deleting things a year later would serve no purpose since the copy'd been made and was already in use...so what the hell?

Both Melendez and Dworkin used EnCase. IIRC, they both said that the first thing that software does is to create a write-blocked forensic copy for investigators to study. The next thing it does is compare the copy to the original, bit for bit, to be sure the copy is exact.

Lonnie Dworkin, defense expert, went into mind-numbing detail on the process on day 12
[video=youtube;5R6OTb6vT04]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R6OTb6vT04[/video]

 

[MeeBee]

Does anyone know when Dworkin did his analysis of the computer?

 

[geevee]

And ALV has since continued to do speaking engagements and interviews promoting her book.

Nurmi mentions in his CoA brief that ALV was supposed to testify in the mitigation phase but didn't due to threats, that's very disingenuous of him. Yes, that was the plan originally but that isn't why she didn't testify then, the DT changed her role to DV expert and had her testify during the guilt phase instead (allowing the PT to gain access to her notes and further show what a liar JA has been throughout). I hope he gets called on that, as well as the true reason Patti didn't testify.

 

[daisydomino]

Does anyone know when Dworkin did his analysis of the computer?

October and November of 2012

 

[MeeBee]

Both Melendez and Dworkin used EnCase. IIRC, they both said that the first thing that software does is to create a write-blocked forensic copy for investigators to study. The next thing it does is compare the copy to the original, bit for bit, to be sure the copy is exact.

Lonnie Dworkin, defense expert, went into mind-numbing detail on the process on day 12
[video=youtube;5R6OTb6vT04]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R6OTb6vT04[/video]

I suppose Nurmi could claim LE deleted the stuff and then this was then provided as the original to the DT for analysis after over writes were made.