Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 12/05-08 In recess

[MeeBee]

You may be right that they withdrew trying to admit them, but I think the argument was with no originals they couldn't be vetted. I have to run some errands now but when I get back I'll see what I can find about them.

Yes, I think that was Juan's argument against them. I do wonder what kind of can of worms the judge will be opening if she allows them. They seem to suspect to let it if what you said is true, that the DT received an email. Letters addressed to Jodi ended up in someone else's hands, how? And doesn't that go against the law of attraction BS she was spewing and Travis' demand that she never write down or speak about the pedophilia?

 

[Hope4More]

Thanks, guys.

I'll be checking David Lohr YouTube of trial (day 23, part 3) JM cross, when JM covers the magazine smuggling, references the hearing), going thru Motions, and reviewing the narrative of those early days when she went pro per to get the letters in.

BTW, wasn't Maria of recent HD fame her attorney then? Hmm.

 

[Hope4More]

Yes, I think that was Juan's argument against them. I do wonder what kind of can of worms the judge will be opening if she allows them. They seem to suspect to let it if what you said is true, that the DT received an email. Letters addressed to Jodi ended up in someone else's hands, how? And doesn't that go against the law of attraction BS she was spewing and Travis' demand that she never write down or speak about the pedophilia?

A huge can of worms, imo. WE know there is no pedo anywhere. And you know I think this jury will otherwise reach a DP verdict. But.....if Nurmi is allowed to throw pedo lies around like confetti, it is entirely possible he'll plant just enough suspicion in that one juror's mind for him or her to hang the jury.

 

[Meemaw12]

Wasn't Matt M involved with those forged letters?

He later posted on the net that JA investigator ask him to lie, this was back a few yrs and Mr M told him if he came to court he would be charged with something since he testified in a hearing and lied.

Going from memory on this stuff maybe someone can find it

 

[MeeBee]

A huge can of worms, imo. WE know there is no pedo anywhere. And you know I think this jury will otherwise reach a DP verdict. But.....if Nurmi is allowed to throw pedo lies around like confetti, it is entirely possible he'll plant just enough suspicion in that one juror's mind for him or her to hang the jury.

But, I mean, what kind of can of worms would they be opening for themselves? Juan has already implied Jodi directed MM to peice these together for her, after he failed to corroborate her stories. "You *** up." And he'd certainly be able to highlight the text where Travis tells her he knows she stole his journals, in addition to calling an expert to say it was a cut and paste job. I think the jury'd get it after that. But you never know, it might plant a seed of doubt.

 

[Dmacky]

Hope ~

Here are the documents. Keep scrolling down :smile:


http://www.docstoc.com/docs/109828551/Jodi-Arias-Court-Documents


Link 11 I think

 

[Hope4More]

BTW on juror #3. Everything else aside, I find unpleasant irony in this turn of events.

We now know incredibly personal information about a juror who , despite her willingness to do interviews, should never have had her right to anonymity stripped from her, yet we know little to nothing about witnesses who are allegedly supposed to testify, and are told that a convicted murderer's whine for privacy trumps our constitutional right to openness.

 

[katiecoolady]

But Juan can make it obvious there's no proof and that it's only an attempt at distraction.

Yes, he's really good at that.

 

[franquerolane]

About the fake letters...if letters and words were laid down and photocopied, wouldn't the shadows of all the cut outs somehow be able to be brought out by experts?

 

[Becky Sharp]

Not sure if this helps any.

As blonde bombshell Arias changed her look to that of a demure brunette wearing specs for the televised trial, her mother San*dy Arias met with an ENQUIRER reporter in Phoenix and handed over photocopies of two letters allegedly handwritten by Alexander.

In the first letter, dated Nov. 27, 2006, Al*exander asks Arias to wear “boy’s briefs” that he can “rip off.” He also asks her to wear one of his shirts with his engraved cuff links so he can see his initials while she performs oral sex on him.

The second letter was dated March 2, 2008, just three months before Alexander’s murder. In it, he admits that he once hit Arias “in the face.” He also claims that marrying her would help erase his “deviant” thoughts.


“Jodi wanted me to get these let*ters out to the public. I am only doing this because she asked me to,” her mother tearfully told an ENQUIRER reporter.

“Jodi has several other letters in her possession, but she’s holding off on releasing them.”

According to Mrs. Arias, only electronic copies of the letters exist.

“Jodi told me that the originals were destroyed,” she said.

The ENQUIRER learned that Jodi Arias tried to enter the letters as evidence in 2010, but a judge deemed them “inadmissible” after they were analyzed by a handwriting expert.

“These letters are quite literally the only card Jodi has left to play,” noted the source. “Getting them out to the public is her strategy to be acquitted of murder and escape the death penalty.

“That’s how desperate and evil she is. She’s manipulating her own mother from behind bars.”


http://www.nationalenquirer.com/true-crime/exclusive-jodi-arias-desperate-escape-plan

BUBM
Hmmmmm, I wonder who put together these "letters"?

 

[rose222]

BTW on juror #3. Everything else aside, I find unpleasant irony in this turn of events.

We now know incredibly personal information about a juror who , despite her willingness to do interviews, should never have had her right to anonymity stripped from her, yet we know little to nothing about witnesses who are allegedly supposed to testify, and are told that a convicted murderer's whine for privacy trumps our constitutional right to openness.

And the ones yapping about witnesses' right to anonymity are probably the ones who have leaked this poor juror's name out to the public. One standard for JA & team and another for the rest of the world. That's how it's been from day one.

 

[Hope4More]

Hope ~

Here are the documents. Keep scrolling down :smile:
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Thank you !!!! Thank you!!!!! That saved me a huge amt of time .

Heart is sinking tho after skimming JM's objections. Many do NOT apply to sentencing.

1. They are hearsay (NA).
2. They are irrelevant to her claim of self defense (NA).

3. There is an exclusion to the rule about copies being inadmissible. They can be in theory be admitted if the person who sent the copies testified as to their origin.

Still going over JM's response.

 

[Steve44]

Yes, he's really good at that.

This entire defense strategy of slandering Travis, unfairly and obviously imo, so plainly contradicts her claim of remorse that I don't see how the defense expects that contradiction to count in her favor with the jury.

 

[Wagara]

The Alexander family has standing in the trial. Is there any mechanism for them to try to get someone to step in here? It's quite obvious that JSS has cracked under the pressure. KN and the defense witnesses are ignoring her orders with impunity, and they are more than content to stretch this out however long it takes to lose four more jurors. The longer it goes, the higher the mistrial odds are, and the more money they make. What's not to love? If JSS absolutely refuses to enforce any of her rulings, the only question is how long it takes and how many more millions of taxpayer dollars before the guaranteed mistrial comes.

I have no idea but I would think Juan, representing the state and the victim, would be able to bring attention to an uncontrolled courtroom. AZL...does he have any options?

 

[decemberbee45]

I am so behind...trying to read and catch up. Saw that the "computergate" hearing will continue Dec. 10th. Is there court today? TIA.

 

[Wagara]

The booking sheet online looked like the excommunicated juror's arrest was for issuing a bad check on November 28. Are we to believe she issued that check eight years ago and is first going to court for it in January? That sounds ridiculous. What am I missing in this story? Why on earth would there be a warrant issued NOW for a crime committed in 2006? WTH?

Maybe she got the DUI and the warrent surfaced.

 

[Hope4More]

This entire defense strategy of slandering Travis, unfairly and obviously imo, so plainly contradicts her claim of remorse that I don't see how the defense expects that contradiction to count in her favor with the jury.

Go read her blog of September this year and you'll get the needle the DT is trying to thread.....

 

[ShadyLady]

The booking sheet online looked like the excommunicated juror's arrest was for issuing a bad check on November 28. Are we to believe she issued that check eight years ago and is first going to court for it in January? That sounds ridiculous. What am I missing in this story? Why on earth would there be a warrant issued NOW for a crime committed in 2006? WTH?

Hinky in my book.....defense wanted her off. Jodi did not like her questions.... IMO.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I think we'd all like to know what's changed so drastically from the first trial to justify the closed proceedings.

BBM: BINGO !

During the trial, CMJA was ecstatic over the media coverage she received and luved the cameras ... but prior to this re-trial of the penalty phase, CMJA filed a motion for NO cameras.

Yes, so WHY this drastic change ?

Very hinky that the entire trial, the aggravation phase and the penalty phase was televised, BUT the re-trial of the penalty phase has NO cameras, and practically all of this phase has been conducted in secret !

Inconsistency, IMO, and also, someone has something to HIDE ! Obviously, it is CMJA, but what about the rest of the DT, including JSS ?

And WHY did JSS capitulate to the demands of a convicted murderer regarding NO cameras during this phase ?

And WHY does JSS continue to capitulate to every single demand of CMJA and her DT ?

These questions need answering . . . pronto !

:moo:

 

[AZlawyer]

And IIRC, the judge never got a chance to rule the letters out the first time around, the defense withdrew them first, no doubt realizing they would not help her case. But this is the penalty part and, like you've said, they've got nothing to lose. The defense has doubled down on the pedophilia lie and Jodi is probably desperate to get them in so she can talk about them. As of October, Nurmi was still trying to have them introduced.

ETA: I'm always fuzzy on if the DT withdrew the letters or the judge ruled them out.

JSS has already ruled that they can't be admitted since there is no hard copy of them, they were anonymously e-mailed to Nurmi and without the original pages they can't be examined for forgery, etc., I believe that was the basis for her ruling, and I don't see how Nurmi can overcome that. Unless the originals surface, but then the person holding them would have a lot of questions to answer. lol

You may be right that they withdrew trying to admit them, but I think the argument was with no originals they couldn't be vetted. I have to run some errands now but when I get back I'll see what I can find about them.

The judge never got a chance to rule. Jodi was pro per but gave up in the middle of the hearing regarding the letters, and the first thing her lawyers did was to withdraw the request to admit the letters as evidence. The rules are much more lax for the penalty phase, though. IMO copies could be admitted in the penalty phase if there were witnesses to explain how Jodi came to be in possession of those letters--basically "chain of custody" testimony starting with Travis and ending with Jodi.

I have no idea but I would think Juan, representing the state and the victim, would be able to bring attention to an uncontrolled courtroom. AZL...does he have any options?

Not really, other than pointing it out to the judge. Frankly, we really have no idea if he's complaining about it or not due to all the sealed bench conferences.