Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 12/19-1/5 Break

[daisydomino]

Arias had the potential. She got a taste of blood. She was armed with weapons when she was arrested. Had she not been arrested when she was, she would've killed again.

Possibly. You have to agree that this is speculation and not fact, though, right?

ETA BBM

 

[Frigga]

Who really knows what she would have done in the future? I think we have a good idea that she came to the conclusion that killing a man was a better option then letting go and moving on, that's for certain. How would she handle the next love scenario- especially if, hypothetically- she had gotten away with the first murder? Arias was getting worse- not better. There is a very obvious pattern to her jealous and controlling nature... her inability to let ANY past relationship go. How did Bobby get fully away? Did he move to an Island far away? I honestly think I remember that he did- Hawaii.

I will probably sound like a broken record by the end of this but I wish one person in her life would come forward and tell the TRUTH about her and what they know about how she really was, what things she really did and said. I would want to hear it from her family, but I don't think that will EVER happen. Why? Why do these people not have their own sense of remorse for what happened... or at least what became of Jodi. Why? Why does no one associated with her seem to have a conscience?

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I have been wondering about the birth control thing too. And also about "safe sex." Now that I have made this even more OT, I was wondering if JA's "grab and go" kit included KY, birth control, rubber dams, and condoms. I also think it's odd that KY is the only lubricant that seems ever to be mentioned: no Pink, Please, Sliquid, Astroglide, Wet, Slippery Kitty. No "toys", either. I'm thinking in a lot of ways JA is very conventional: KY is quite fuddy duddy! The other item in this train of thought that surprises me is why JA didn't pretend she was pregnant as a way to snag TA.

LOL, but remember, she used to use baby oil, WHO DOES THAT? I suppose one could "assume" that KY was the cheapest she could afford. That, or maybe she swiped it from a medical facility. Gosh Jodi you could have at least worked a little overtime to get the good stuff. Maybe that's why she got so upset when Dan Feeeman went through her backpack :thinking:

 

[ElleElle]

We should have another thread about predictions of when this trial will end. As of now, I'm thinking March--but maybe that's optimistic...?

Im going with the end of March, early April. :tantrum:

 

[LinasK]

Who really knows what she would have done in the future? I think we have a good idea that she came to the conclusion that killing a man was a better option then letting go and moving on, that's for certain. How would she handle the next love scenario- especially if, hypothetically- she had gotten away with the first murder? Arias was getting worse- not better. There is a very obvious pattern to her jealous and controlling nature... her inability to let ANY past relationship go. How did Bobby get fully away? Did he move to an Island far away? I honestly think I remember that he did- Hawaii.

I will probably sound like a broken record by the end of this but I wish one person in her life would come forward and tell the TRUTH about her and what they know about how she really was, what things she really did and said. I would want to hear it from her family, but I don't think that will EVER happen. Why? Why do these people not have their own sense of remorse for what happened... or at least what became of Jodi. Why? Why does no one associated with her seem to have a conscience?

BBM.
Because that's who she came from. Even if they'd gotten on the stand, they would've just lied to protect her. Look at Cindy Anthony for a prime example. Just when you thought she was showing honest emotion, she got back on the stand and lied for Casey straight out and said she performed computer searches for Chlorophyll at home, while she was clocked in at her work. She should have been charged with perjury.

 

[Madeleine74]

I think it must make people somehow feel better or something to blame Arias for all kinds of things, many not actually attributed to her through evidence, but by imagination. She has become a lightening rod for all kinds of people to vent or voice rage or blame for just about everything. She's imagined to be any number of archetypes, from a mass murderer/serial killer to a mythical creature with supernatural powers. Why her, I don't know, but I do find it an interesting phenomenon when she is just not very different. A sociology professor might have a field day trying to unravel that one.

She's a jealous, spiteful, remorseless intimate partner killer. Her plan for a sneaky attack and quiet quick kill failed completely. She literally left pieces of herself at the crime scene, so easily traced back to her it was a slam dunk for police.

She has no special powers, she doesn't run the jail, she may think herself important, but no more so than the spectators' willingness to elevate her, she's narcissistic (hey, common trait among killers), thinks she's smarter than she is (another common trait among killers), has crazy supporters (like every murderer does), is manipulative (another common trait). The stuff she and her team are pulling are things that have been done before so even that's not original. She's transparent on top of everything. I don't know anyone fooled by her or her team.

She's already going to prison with 100% certainty.

 

[ElleElle]

Agree. IMO she intended to kill him in the shower with a couple of stab wounds with the blood flowing neatly down the drain. His fighting back led to panic. She freaked out and just kept stabbing until he quit moving. The throat slit took care of him. He wasn't going to make it to the stairs or a phone. IMO the gunshot was a forensic countermeasure to make it appear that two people carried out the crime.
She wasn't as an efficient killer as she had planned to be

She did not expect Travis to fight as he did, and she certainly could not let him get out of that bedroom. IMO, she was getting exhausted from stabbing, and had to end this quickly.

 

[daisydomino]

Im going with the end of March, early April. :tantrum:

So you're thinking we'll have about 18 more days of trial at the rate they're going? Optimists. :tomato:

 

[Love Never Fails]

I guess I'm the kind of person that feels comparisons are sometimes futile. Some worse... some more heinous, some more prolific- none of it changes the story of Jodi Arias and Travis Alexander. It was horrific, terrible and most assuredly shocking, frightening and painful... extremely painful for Travis. Reading Rose's post above really brought that home again for me. This is the part that I think families and loved ones can't get over... the cruelty, brutality of the pain and suffering their loved one went through WHILE STILL ALIVE. I hope I never know personally what that is like.

Agree with you one hundred percent.

 

[janx]

So you're thinking we'll have about 18 more days of trial at the rate they're going? Optimists. :tomato:

True. It has already been four months since this retrial started! So maybe sometime next fall...:thinking:

 

[Love Never Fails]

Arias had the potential. She got a taste of blood. She was armed with weapons when she was arrested. Had she not been arrested when she was, she would've killed again.

And she does fit the definition of a serial killer, in the sense that she had a cooling off period, bought a gun, brought two knives and was well on her way to kill again. IMO. Speculation and all that. Of course, she was arrested before that could happen thanks to TA's friends letting Detective Flores know they suspected Arias. In the end, it came down to a good investigation and friends who cared.

This case is about Arias murdering Travis and not about all the other serial killer cases. Could she be one? You bet!

 

[Madeleine74]

The most number of days of court they could have in this case is 4 per week, 16 days per month. Given the defense's goal of making this phase last as long as they possibly can, and with other things that get in the way of the court time occurring, I think a safe bet is somewhere around the end of April to mid-May. I'd be thrilled if they got this wrapped up by March 1, but not sure that's realistic with this court, their schedule, and the endless motions. None of this is surprising as they telegraphed they were going to take as long as they possibly could and drag this out. A decisive judge would have this moving along, but that's the major thing missing.

Either way, Arias is going to Perryville and they all know it.

 

[janx]

The most number of days of court they could have in this case is 4 per week, 16 days per month. Given the defense's goal of making this phase last as long as they possibly can, and with other things that get in the way of the court time occurring, I think a safe bet is somewhere around the end of April to mid-May. I'd be thrilled if they got this wrapped up by March 1, but not sure that's realistic with this court, their schedule, and the endless motions. None of this is surprising as they telegraphed they were going to take as long as they possibly could and drag this out. A decisive judge would have this moving along, but that's the major thing missing.

Either way, Arias is going to Perryville and they all know it.

With the possible exception of the killer herself, who, aided by her delusional fans, thinks that somehow she's going to walk out of there.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

You are talking about Ted Bundy torturing his victims? I was speaking in the sense that she murdered TA more than once. The stabbings, the shooting or the slit throat could have killed him. Someone with a heart like hers is in fact a serial killer at heart. That is what I am trying to express. No comparison to Ted Bundy. A serial killer by definition is a person who kills more than once. A man in our community killed three different women and just received three DP sentences and was deemed a serial killer. He did not do the things Bundy did.

And yes, I firmly hold to the belief that JA was a serial killer in the making and planned to kill again. Why buy a gun and two large lives and hide the gun while on the run taped to the engine of the rental car? The gun was a legal purchase. Why hide the knives in books? Not worth debating to me really. I won't change my mind about JA and you likely won't either.

A serial killer is someone who gets turned on by murder, it's a sex thing and a sex thrill, painting Jodi as the same as a serial killer is not only inaccurate but ads to the hysteria surrounding this case which goes well beyond what would be a proportionate response to a domestic homicide, I find myself wondering why that is the case here.

 

[Love Never Fails]

The definition of a serial killer:

A serial killer is defined as a person who murders three or more people over a period of more than 30 days, with a "cooling off" period between each murder, and whose motivation for killing is largely based on psychological gratification.

(https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Serial_killer.html)

Based on official definitions, and with 1 human being murdered, Arias is not a serial killer. The type and ferocity of the murder itself is not a consideration at all. It comes down to the numbers killed. 3 or more over 30 days meets the criteria.

Susan Wright murdered her husband with nearly 200 stabs of 2 knives and then tried to hide the murder by burying him, though only partly, right in the dirt outside the patio. She's not considered a serial killer either.

Melanie McGuire murdered her husband then chopped him up into pieces and put his body into 3 suitcases and dumped them into a body of water. She too is not a serial killer, though she certainly used more than 29 cuts to get a man's body into small enough pieces.

Sabrina Zunich was 17 yrs old, was having an affair with her foster father, then stabbed the foster mother to death 178 times, and in front of the couple's 13 yr old biological daughter. She's not a serial killer either. She just got 30 yrs to Life, as did the Husband who initiated the affair and encouraged the murder.

They all had one thing in common, they all got caught, as did Arias. Anyone with a heart as black as theirs could be serial killers if they get out of jail. They deserved the DP. And they were possibly tried in a State where DP was not an option. You cannot compare one trial to another. And you do not know who can or cannot become serial killers.

 

[Love Never Fails]

A serial killer is someone who gets turned on by murder, it's a sex thing and a sex thrill, painting Jodi as the same as a serial killer is not only inaccurate but ads to the hysteria surrounding this case which goes well beyond what would be a proportionate response to a domestic homicide, I find myself wondering why that is the case here.

Agree to disagree. No hysteria.

 

[LinasK]

A serial killer is someone who gets turned on by murder, it's a sex thing and a sex thrill, painting Jodi as the same as a serial killer is not only inaccurate but ads to the hysteria surrounding this case which goes well beyond what would be a proportionate response to a domestic homicide, I find myself wondering why that is the case here.

She went and grinded on Ryan Burns just hours afterward, we don't know that she didn't receive sexual gratification from the killing.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

And she does fit the definition of a serial killer, in the sense that she had a cooling off period, bought a gun, brought two knives and was well on her way to kill again. IMO. Speculation and all that. Of course, she was arrested before that could happen thanks to TA's friends letting Detective Flores know they suspected Arias. In the end, it came down to a good investigation and friends who cared.

This case is about Arias murdering Travis and not about all the other serial killer cases. Could she be one? You bet!

That would be a cooling off period before each murder, not in each step towards the SINGLE murder we are talking about. Say she had murdered other people after Travis, like his friends etc, then she would have fallen into the category of a Spree Killer, different again.

 

[Deleted member 122533]

She went and grinded on Ryan Burns just hours afterward, we don't know that she didn't receive sexual gratification from the killing.

Arias had sex right before the killing. Twice, according to her. Serial killers are not only motivated by sex, of course, but as that was brought up, I mentioned it. There is no evidence to suggest she killed before.

There is speculation that she was on her way to kill again. No proof, of course. My view is that she would have continued to kill again, if the police had not arrested her. She was loaded up with her favourite weapons. Her murderous rage wouldn't have been satisfied with just hurting Travis. The Hughes would have been high on her list of revenge targets, in my opinion. If she ever gets out, I'd hate to be them.

 

[rose222]

Arias had the potential. She got a taste of blood. She was armed with weapons when she was arrested. Had she not been arrested when she was, she would've killed again.

Yes she does. Who does that? A serial killer in the making. And let us not forget that Doggy Boy mysteriously disappeared after she kicked him. Animal abuse is indicative of deeply entrenched violent tendencies.