Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 12/19-1/5 Break

[LinasK]

Yes she does. Who does that? A serial killer in the making. And let us not forget that Doggy Boy mysteriously disappeared after she kicked him. Animal abuse is indicative of deeply entrenched violent tendencies.

Thank-you for understanding that. There are posters on the Sarah Palin thread who don't get that standing on a dog is animal abuse too.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

We should have another thread about predictions of when this trial will end. As of now, I'm thinking March--but maybe that's optimistic...?

:seeya: Yes, good idea !

I am predicting end of May -- beginning of June -- oh, 2015 but maybe 2016 if Nurmi appeals every motion :gaah:

And I sure hope it is NOT June 4, unless of course, this jury hands down the Death Penalty as that would be true justice for Travis !

JMO but it would NOT surprise me if CMJA and her DT to steer this towards that date -- they are extremely devious, conniving, mean, brutal, etc etc etc !

 

[Madeleine74]

They all had one thing in common, they all got caught, as did Arias. Anyone with a heart as black as theirs could be serial killers if they get out of jail. They deserved the DP. And they were possibly tried in a State where DP was not an option. You cannot compare one trial to another. And you do not know who can or cannot become serial killers.

The definition of a serial killer isn't mine, it's the FBI's. And it's not based on what someone could/might/possibly/or want to do. It's based on what they actually did. Any person could become a serial killer if they go out and kill at least 3 people in more than 30 days. It's not about how evil someone is or how black their heart is or any other criteria that is being thrust into the mix. By the FBI's definition Arias is not considered a serial killer even if people really really want her to be. I'm not going to speculate on what she could have become. Heck she could have become a very good artist and law-abiding citizen, but she didn't pursue that path.

 

[Nali87]

Jodi had sex with Travis knowing she was going to murder him. She then stabbed him, shot him and slit his throat. She is ONE of the worst of the worst. Murderers like Ted Bundy are over the moon evil - outliers if you must- when it comes to number of murder cases I've heard about, Jodi, in my opinion, sure ranks close to the top. To give a man your body knowing you're going to slit his throat is not just sick, it's evil. The fact that she "only" had one victim doesn't make her crime any less heinous.

I guess the way we measure "evilness" is subjective. There is no wrong or right answer in a discussion like this. So like Curious said, let's agree to disagree.

 

[LinasK]

The definition of a serial killer isn't mine, it's the FBI's. And it's not based on what someone could/might/possibly/or want to do. It's based on what they actually did. Any person could become a serial killer if they go out and kill at least 3 people in more than 30 days. It's not about how evil someone is or how black their heart is or any other criteria that is being thrust into the mix. By the FBI's definition Arias is not considered a serial killer even if people really really want her to be. I'm not going to speculate on what she could have become. Heck she could have become a very good artist and law-abiding citizen, but she didn't pursue that path.

Jodi Arias has/had the potential to kill again far more than the average person, and she has people in mind that have pissed her off. I never said she was a serial killer yet, only that had she not been caught when she was, there would have been more deaths in my opinion. Surely you don't really believe that she packed guns and knives because she was packing for a camping trip in gold country with men she didn't even know.

 

[Madeleine74]

Jodi Arias has/had the potential to kill again far more than the average person, and she has people in mind that have pissed her off. I never said she was a serial killer yet, only that had she not been caught when she was, there would have been more deaths in my opinion. Surely you don't really believe that she packed guns and knives because she was packing for a camping trip in gold country with men she didn't even know.

Packing for a camping trip to go with some men? No. As a getaway for herself? Maybe.

Guns? I thought there was 1 gun later found in the engine area of the rental car. How many knives were found? I remember the mention of 1.

Things she could have been preparing to do with a gun and a knife:

- Protect herself
- Kill herself if she got caught/cornered by police
- Kill someone else if she got caught/cornered
- Use the gun to hunt an animal and the knife for any number of hiding out/camping/survival type things.
- Force a "suicide by cop" if it came to that (just pointing a gun at an officer will get you killed).

She was prepared to use deadly force for whatever reason. I haven't seen evidence she was on her way to the Hughes' or anywhere else, just that she was packing the rental car and police arrested her and took her in.

 

[Nali87]

I'd like to add to that, that murderers who kill people that they've actually KNOWN get "extra evil bonus points" in my book than those who randomly kill a stranger. She knew Travis. Knew his friends. Knew about his family. And still decided to take him from them. And in such a cruel manner. Worst of the worst.

 

[Madeleine74]

I'd like to add to that, that murderers who kill people that they've actually KNOWN get "extra evil bonus points" in my book than those who randomly kill a stranger. She knew Travis. Knew his friends. Knew about his family. And still decided to take him from them. And in such a cruel manner. Worst of the worst.

I can't imagine your horror at the Greg Graf case that's been unfolding in PA for the last 6 weeks or so. Talk about murdering someone you know (and then some).

FBI statistics are that most people murdered know their killer. Family member, intimate partner, bad business deal, revenge. More common than stranger on stranger murders. That's probably why LE always looks to the people closest to the victim first and works outward from there. They know the stats.

From the FBI Crime States (2011)

In 2011, in incidents of murder for which the relationships of murder victims and offenders were known, 54.3 percent were killed by someone they knew (acquaintance, neighbor, friend, boyfriend, etc.); 24.8 percent of victims were slain by family members. The relationship of murder victims and offenders was unknown in 44.1 percent of murder and non-negligent manslaughter incidents in 2011.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I think this crime needs to be put in perspective, perhaps it has been the media involvement more than anything that has created the feeling that this is one of the worst of the worst. HLN had to fill in hours and hours of TV time every night on this case for months and to do so they had to find new angles for their viewers to become outraged over. Even if Jodi does get the DP, which is unlikely, then it will likely be overturned on appeal because her lawyers will be able to argue that the amount of media coverage, and the tone of that coverage, meant the new jury who came in to make a decision on the second penalty trial had already been tainted by it before they were even called. It's a shame both sides couldn't have come to an agreement on life without parole between the first trial and this one.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Jodi Arias has/had the potential to kill again far more than the average person, and she has people in mind that have pissed her off. I never said she was a serial killer yet, only that had she not been caught when she was, there would have been more deaths in my opinion. Surely you don't really believe that she packed guns and knives because she was packing for a camping trip in gold country with men she didn't even know.

Scott Peterson was arrested under similar circumstances with a cache of similar weapons remember? I think Jodi had similar motivations, the heat was coming down on her and she was planning to go on the run.

 

[daisydomino]

BBM.
Because that's who she came from. Even if they'd gotten on the stand, they would've just lied to protect her. Look at Cindy Anthony for a prime example. Just when you thought she was showing honest emotion, she got back on the stand and lied for Casey straight out and said she performed computer searches for Chlorophyll at home, while she was clocked in at her work. She should have been charged with perjury.

Apples don't fall from dumb$h1t trees.

 

[LinasK]

I think this crime needs to be put in perspective, perhaps it has been the media involvement more than anything that has created the feeling that this is one of the worst of the worst. HLN had to fill in hours and hours of TV time every night on this case for months and to do so they had to find new angles for their viewers to become outraged over. Even if Jodi does get the DP, which is unlikely, then it will likely be overturned on appeal because her lawyers will be able to argue that the amount of media coverage, and the tone of that coverage, meant the new jury who came in to make a decision on the second penalty trial had already been tainted by it before they were even called. It's a shame both sides couldn't have come to an agreement on life without parole between the first trial and this one.

This woman deserves Death, no less. The state thinks so and that's what the victims' family wants. What's a shame is that there had to be a whole separate trial that's turning into a retrial of the verdict thanks to the Defense team.

 

[LinasK]

Scott Peterson was arrested under similar circumstances with a cache of similar weapons remember? I think Jodi had similar motivations, the heat was coming down on her and she was planning to go on the run.

I don't think she's as smart as Scott Peterson, she's more vengeful, I think she was after other victims thinking she'd snowed Det. Flores since they didn't immediately arrest her.

 

[LambChop]

Let's try to agree to move on and not continue with a circular argument that has nothing to do with the retrial.

 

[Nali87]

I think this crime needs to be put in perspective, perhaps it has been the media involvement more than anything that has created the feeling that this is one of the worst of the worst. HLN had to fill in hours and hours of TV time every night on this case for months and to do so they had to find new angles for their viewers to become outraged over. Even if Jodi does get the DP, which is unlikely, then it will likely be overturned on appeal because her lawyers will be able to argue that the amount of media coverage, and the tone of that coverage, meant the new jury who came in to make a decision on the second penalty trial had already been tainted by it before they were even called. It's a shame both sides couldn't have come to an agreement on life without parole between the first trial and this one.

This suggests that people, those of us arguing that it is one of the worst of the worst, aren't capable to form an opinion about the heinousness of a certain media without someone being influenced by the media. Never even caught one hour of HLN because of my location and plus this is not the first trial I've followed. I think it's important to not blame others opinion on "the media" or "hysteria" because people disagree with your point of view.

Sorry Lambchop. That was my last comment on the discussion.

 

[janx]

I'm curious too. I'd also like to see what Dworkin found in 2012 and then deemed "not " when Juan Martinez reminded him of something he said (and did not repeat on the stand) when he was deposed.

On the other hand, so what? I still am failing to understand how the defense thinks on this laptop is exculpatory evidence and a Brady violation. It's not getting clearer to me as time goes on and more motions pile up.

Are we going to have a ruling next week on the defense's Oct. 1, 2014 motion to dismiss the death penalty? Am I correct that JSS has not ruled on any of these motions to dismiss the death penalty yet?

All the delays and breaks make me nuts. I'm forgetting what's going on. How are the jurors going to manage.

It's just another delay tactic, possibly fueled by the killer since the computer belonged to...TRAVIS! and she wants more info. about him. So it's a red herring. That poor jury.

 

[Madeleine74]

Arias certainly deserves consideration of a death sentence, but only the jury gets to decide whether she will get it or not.

I've thought all along she will get LWOP, so it will be interesting to see if this jury remains intact and renders a unanimous decision.

 

[5bigfish5]

Who really knows what she would have done in the future? I think we have a good idea that she came to the conclusion that killing a man was a better option then letting go and moving on, that's for certain. How would she handle the next love scenario- especially if, hypothetically- she had gotten away with the first murder? Arias was getting worse- not better. There is a very obvious pattern to her jealous and controlling nature... her inability to let ANY past relationship go. How did Bobby get fully away? Did he move to an Island far away? I honestly think I remember that he did- Hawaii.

I will probably sound like a broken record by the end of this but I wish one person in her life would come forward and tell the TRUTH about her and what they know about how she really was, what things she really did and said. I would want to hear it from her family, but I don't think that will EVER happen. Why? Why do these people not have their own sense of remorse for what happened... or at least what became of Jodi. Why? Why does no one associated with her seem to have a conscience?

I think she killed the only one that really knew the true Jodi.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

This is an interesting article. It shows just how evil a murderer can be, and just how they rank.



http://kristinarandle.com/blog/read-where-the-creator-of-a-22-point-scale-of-evil-places-jodi-arias/

 

[Madeleine74]

We know the truth, through the evidence and testimony. Juan is all about getting the truth out there.