Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 12/19-1/5 Break

[LinasK]

Yes, I, too have felt sorry for her family especially when I watched Det Flores interview Sandy and Bill. And you said it, they could not handle Jodi from early childhood and on. They already knew prior to the interview that something was "off" with her with the calls from people, the highs and lows, the anger, the crying, the privacy issues... The court antics did not favor Sandy or her sister in any good light. The other family members who attended appeared to show respect in the courtroom.

Is it because of Jodi's diagnosis that can manipulate people to that extent. I know that her Mother, Aunt, and Sister have totally bought into the abuse (both physical and emotional), pedophile, and claims. I cannot say about her brothers with any certainty. Her Father remains an enigma but I feel that deep down he knows the real truth about his daughter, Jodi. He just cannot say anything out loud to his wife (if that makes any sense). I got so much more of a sense about him from the interviews, he was more forth coming than his wife. Thank you for your very well put opinions. (IMO)

BBM. Yeah it does. He's another George Anthony, willing to be lead around by the women in his life and thrown under the abuse allegations bus if necessary, but probably knows the truth about his daughter.

 

[LinasK]

There are far fewer women on death row than men. It's harder to get a woman on death row. IIRC

Yet Juan got Wendy Andriano on AZ's Death Row!

 

[LinasK]

I watched a Utube, think it was 48 hrs, its about Marjorie Orbin who killed her husband in AZ, it was prosecuted in Phoenix. She beheaded and cut off his limbs and put him in a tote (she was seen on video purchasing the tote). It was a death penalty case however she was given LWOP. Heinous crime.

Found it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xay9e6zXVkE

After watching it, I realized JA will not get the death penalty in AZ. I feel she deserves it and my hope is she will, but just don't think it will happen.

Juries just don't like to send women to death, had it been a man, he would be sitting on Death Row.

I remain confident she will get the Death Penalty because Juan is the prosecutor. He's gotten many convictions before including Wendy Andriano!

 

[ParrotGal]

Hope everyone is prepared just in case the jury decides to not give her the DP. It is never guaranteed, no matter how badly the victim's family or the state want it.

I'm totally prepared. I am cool with LWOP. I just want her lying hole to be sealed.

 

[daisydomino]

I watched a Utube, think it was 48 hrs, its about Marjorie Orbin who killed her husband in AZ, it was prosecuted in Phoenix. She beheaded and cut off his limbs and put him in a tote (she was seen on video purchasing the tote). It was a death penalty case however she was given LWOP. Heinous crime.

Found it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xay9e6zXVkE

After watching it, I realized JA will not get the death penalty in AZ. I feel she deserves it and my hope is she will, but just don't think it will happen.

Juries just don't like to send women to death, had it been a man, he would be sitting on Death Row.

If I recall correctly, his brother was in court every day at the Jodi Arias trial with Katiecoolady in 2013.

Justice for Travis. At least.

 

[ParrotGal]

I don't know how this woman sleeps at night. What the heck motivates someone like her to outright lie for a proven, brutal murderer?

When your all of your defense witnesses are of this caliber, you are in a bad way.

 

[Wysteria]

I see that there are some members reading atm.

May I ask for a quick recap regarding what I've missed since the last day of court?

I don't want to be a bother, and I will understand if it's lengthy and complicated to help. I've been reading just a little bit here and there while I was away for the holidays, but I feel kinda lost.

Whatever happened to having access to the mystery witnesses' testimony? Has the COA order been obeyed by the DT? Any help would be appreciated. In the meantime I will try and do some reading before heading to bed.

I did read some of the holiday banter back and forth and was so happy for those who have formed such beautiful bonds and friendships. It's wonderful that y'all have each other.

One more thing, I wanted to thank all of the dedicated people that post the twitter information from the court. I did have a subscription to Beth's site but while I was away it lapsed. Thanks also for the astute and intelligent thoughts and opinions of the members here, the moderators and the professionals (the lawyers) who have been so kind to take the time of out their hectic days to help me (us). understand the intricacies of the law.

The reason why we are here is a crying shame. When I felt strong enough emotionally; I was able to view some of the shower photos posted on this thread and the savage enormity of what that @#$%^& did to Travis breaks my heart to pieces. He was so young, and handsome and sweet. A loss for all of us, as I believe he would have become an inspirational writer and would have tried to help others throughout his life. That poor boy. Once in a while I find myself wishing that I could go back to that time when Travis found out that she had come over and I want to shout Travis runnnnnnnn please hunny run, run.

 

[daisydomino]

I don't know how this woman sleeps at night. What the heck motivates someone like her to outright lie for a proven, brutal murderer?

What the heck motivates someone like her to outright lie for the worst possible domestic abuser.

 

[Frigga]

I believe there is a hearing tomorrow on the COA order- oral arguments maybe? I believe judge SS has ordered the clerk to make transcripts of the secret testimony but also ordered they be held until further notice. Someone please jump in and correct me if I'm mistaken. I also believe testimony resumes tomorrow as well. It's been such a long break. God help this poor jury- especially since they are not allowed to discuss it with anyone. I can hardly imagine how that must feel. HTH Wysteria!

 

[daisydomino]

Hope everyone is prepared just in case the jury decides to not give her the DP. It is never guaranteed, no matter how badly the victim's family or the state want it.

IMO, the State will only do its job and that job is to make the best possible case that this defendant should forfeit her life for taking a life in heinous, first degree murderous manner. That's the law in Arizona. The jury may or may not agree—it's up to them whether the State should carry out this penalty. They can decide that the mitigating factors merit a lesser punishment, life without parole or life with the possibility of parole.

The CMJA chose the possibility of the death penalty—her own decision—when she brutally and viciously murdered Travis Alexander in Arizona.

 

[bsk]

My best guess - frivolous complaints from the defense, a lot of whining, Willmott realizing her witness has made no impact whatsoever and her trying (but failing) to correct that, droning on and on and on from the defense witness with absolutely no mitigation value.

In other words - same old, same old. I highly doubt we will get to Juan tomorrow. Unfortunately.

The defense said they needed four days of direct with this witness and they've had four days -- so another couple days before getting to Juan sounds about right. Mix in a couple of days wasted on whatever motions Heckle and Jeckle dreamed up over the holidays and we'll be lucky if we get to see Juan this week.

 

[bsk]

This is off topic (and related to an earlier part of the thread that may no longer be of interest), but the TV series "Most Evil" is an interesting watch, with Michael Stone rating various kinds of killers on his "scale" of evil. There's also a book called "The Murder Room" (excellent true crime story) where one of the individuals featured in the book, forensic profiler Richard Walters, discusses a matrix or scale that he uses to assess an individual's propensity for violent crime. Both book and show were very useful as far as providing a blueprint for understanding the complex human nature of "evil".

With that said, I am fascinated with the Jodi Arias case and I could not fully explain why. Though it is not the defendant's evilness alone. I do think beauty and youth play a role in the interest that I have, combined with a stranger-than-fiction story and unfolding courtroom drama that is riveting and at times infuriating, or supremely gratifying once the prosecutor takes the stage. In my case, the interest may also come from being close in age with the defendant and victim.

This entire trial, with its villains, heroes (and jesters), and memorable moments: actions and statements often laced with varying degrees of stupidity, cleverness, arrogance, righteousness, and some awful playacting. I've attempted watching other trials, but they failed to hold my interest, (such as the Casey Anthony trial, beginning with prosecution's opening statement). I think the prosecutor's style in the Arias trial has really drawn me in.

Additionally, with the Arias case there are some broader themes that come into play: with the American justice system, rights of public, defendant, and victim, "trial-by-media" - to name a few. All these different things coming together can be what sets this case apart for many of us.

With televised trials we get to see all the details that normally we wouldn't ever see, so whatever good or bad we think might exist in our justice system is openly on display. Whether it's fascination or frustration or some combo of the two, getting to see it and practically live it makes it something interesting for those of us who are apparently prone to be court junkies for some reason.

 

[bsk]

http://www.examiner.com/article/jod...otion-nobody-gasps-did-jodi-implicate-herself

Doesn't that article really point to why Juan kept asking BN for what he had and how he found what he did so that the state could retrace those steps - either to prove that he or one of his peeps had manipulated the evidence or that they had indeed missed it earlier? His failure to/refusal to provide that speaks volumes to me. "Trust us - we found thousands of example of on Travis's computer. The word of someone who won an Emmy should be sufficient proof of that."

 

[bsk]

I'm sure, even the family is prepared for either decision and so is the prosecutor. Nothing is guaranteed. It doesn't matter to me which one she gets, as long as she is carted off to Perryville. The sooner, the better. I'm just glad we already have a conviction in this case, one never knows with the juries these days. JA will never see the outside world again. Rightly so. Someone might want to tell her supporters that, though. Lol.

It's always been hard to imagine any jury would be 12/12 on death. If she ends up getting LWOP I hope Travis's family then states: "This is really what we wanted all along. We had to go through all of this to make sure she had no possibility of ever getting paroled. There will be fewer resources available to her now than if she were on death row for appeals and further time-wasting. She can just live the rest of her life rotting away without access to the publicity she obviously craves."

 

[LambChop]

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