Retrieving wreckage from AirAsia Flight To Singapore- no survivors recovered #2

[SouthAussie]

Air Asia's permit to fly that route 7-days-a-week only ceased in October. They were apparently flying under their old permit regs instead of their new permit regs, according to the transport ministry spokesman.


Tommy Soetomo, the head of state-owned airport operator PT Angkasa Pura I, said AirAsia had a slot to fly on Sundays.

But Mr. Barata said that information was outdated and that AirAsia should have returned the slot to the government based on the new permit. Before October, AirAsia had permission to fly daily flights from Surabaya, Indonesia’s second largest city, to Singapore, he said.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/airasia...ute-on-day-of-crash-indonesia-says-1420261574

 

[SouthAussie]

Budi Sampurna, a professor at the University of Indonesia and member of the forensic team responsible for identifying bodies from the crash, said one autopsy had already taken place, but he didn’t comment on the cause of death. He also didn’t say how many other autopsies were planned.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/airasia...ute-on-day-of-crash-indonesia-says-1420261574

 

[SouthAussie]

It sounds as though they are trying to identify the victims and return them to their families as quickly as possible. Perhaps they only intend to autopsy the flight crew. They have stated they have performed one autopsy so far, and they have found one flight crew member so far.


While earlier, Indonesian police brought back the body of Kevin Alexander Soetjipto, the Australian student who perished in the AirAsia crash.
The Monash University student is the third identified victim of the crash, and was travelling from Indonesia to Singapore with relatives.

Mr Soetjipto’s remains were given to his family in a wooden coffin covered in flowers with his name printed on the outside during an emotional handover ceremony in Surabaya, Indonesia.
Mr Soetjipto is originally from Malang in Indonesia and was in Australia on a student visa.

Medical professionals are working around the clock at a makeshift morgue in Surabaya to help identify the bodies of victims that have been retrieved from the crash site.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...ia-flight-qz8501/story-fnizu68q-1227173151716

 

[Tulessa]

Lone survivor.

[video=youtube;Y96f6s_nxmo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y96f6s_nxmo[/video]

 

[emirates1957]

OK, now, these guys are Right in the middle to their preflight checllist. The go from the checklist to personal to some of the checklist to personal :


05:58:46.0

CAM-2 fuel pumps.​

05:58:46.8​

CAM-1 number one's on.
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05:58:48.7
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CAM-2 see this is telling me that I really need to do something.
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05:58:51.7
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CAM-1 [sound of laughter]
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05:59:05.7
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RDO-1 and ground, Comair one ninety one, just a heads-up on the push.
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05:59:11.1
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GND Comair one ninety one advise ready to taxi.​

05:59:13.3
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RDO-1 roger.
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05:59:14.1
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INT-1 hey, how you doin'? you ca.... can you hear me? okay, brakes
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released, we're cleared to push sir.
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05:59:24.6
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HOT-2 must be one of us, skinny flight attendant.
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05:59:26.5
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HOT-1 [sound of laughter]
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05:59:33.0
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E882 ground, Eagle flight eight eighty two ready to taxi with Alpha.
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05:59:42.0
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HOT-1 he said it's okay to turn one at your leisure.
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05:59:43.6
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GND Eagle flight eight eighty two taxi to runway two two. altimeter
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three zero zero zero and the wind's two zero zero seven.
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05:59:45.4
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HOT-2 that's pretty cool the family got to come down.
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05:59:47.2
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HOT-2 how long of a ride is that?
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05:59:50.9
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HOT-1 uuuuh. maybe, maybe an hour.
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05:59:52.9​

E882 taxi to **, Eagle flight eight eighty two.​

05:59:57.5​

HOT-2 that's cool.​

06:00:09.4​

HOT-1 both kids were sick though, they, well they all got colds. it was an​

interesting br, dinner last night.​

06:00:16.1​

HOT-2 really.​

06:00:16.6​

HOT-1 huh, oh gosh.
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06:00:19.1​

HOT-2 how old are they?​

06:00:20.0​

HOT-1 three months and two years old. who was sneezing, either nose​

wiped, diaper change I mean that's all we did all night long.​

06:00:31.0​

HOT-2 oh yeah I'm sure.​

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06:00:32.2​

GND ** sixteen ninety two thanks, turn right heading two seven zero​

runway two two, cleared for takeoff.​

06:00:32.4​

HOT-2 [sound of laughter]​

06:00:34.9​

HOT-2 that's a nice range, age range.
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06:00:37.7​

HOT-1 yeah, I like two years apart basically and that's the kinda what we​

were going for.​

06:00:45.3​

HOT-1 my wife wants four, I, I, I'm, I was good at one.​

06:00:48.5​

HOT-2 she wants four.​

06:00:49.9​

CAM [sound of chime]​

06:00:50.1​

HOT-1 yeah.
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06:00:50.2
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HOT-1 [sound of chuckle]
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06:00:52.7
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HOT-2 it'd be like honey….
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06:01:02.7​

CAM [sound of chime]​

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HOT-2 yeah, it's especially being on reserve it, it's gotta be tough being​

away.​

06:01:12.2​

HOT-1 ah, tough on her, oh my God. that's why she came down yesterday.​

she's like, I just need to get out of this house.​

06:01:18.0​

HOT-2 yeah, I bet.​

06:01:18.9​

HOT-1 I'm like I understand. I, I told her, why don't you just spend the​

night. she said well, if you're gonna get up at oh dark thirty and​

she said you'll end up waking up the babies. I'm like yeah, you're​

probably right.​

06:01:32.1​

HOT-2 yeah it would just be like being at home.​

06:01:35.5​

HOT-1 yeah, she's like you know, I don't know, she's like I'll....​

06:01:38.5​

HOT-2 instead of having her rush back and drive....​

06:01:40.6​

HOT-1 and we got a dog.​

06:01:40.8​

GND *** Lexington tower roger, hold short.​

06:01:42.9​

HOT-2 aah, trust me the dog *. be on the @ slim-fast diet * for a night.​

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HOT-1 [sound of laughter]​

06:01:48.7​

HOT-2 uh, parking brake.​

06:01:49.6​

HOT-1 that's on.​

06:01:50.0​

HOT-2 number two, actually, engine.​

06:01:51.7​

HOT-1 one and two are started.​

06:01:52.5​

HOT-2 starting engines complete.​

06:01:54.3​

HOT-1 and before taxi.​

06:01:55.6​

HOT-2 anti-iiiiice.​

06:01:56.6​

HOT-1 windshields and probes are low and on.​

06:01:58.3​

HOT-2 nosewheel steering.​

06:01:59.5​

HOT-1 that's armed.​

06:02:00.0​

HOT-2 taxi check complete.​

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RDO-2 Comair one ninety one is ready to taxi we have ALPHA.​

06:02:03.8​

GND Comair one ninety one, taxi to runway two two. altimeter three​

zero zero zero and the winds are two zero zero at eight.​

06:02:08.9​

RDO-2 three triple zero and taxi two two, Comair one ninety one.​

06:02:12.6​

GND Eagle flight runway two two, cleared for takeoff.​

06:02:15.1​

HOT-1 clear left.​

06:02:17.3​

HOT-2 on the right.​

06:02:17.9​

GND Skywest six eight nineteen radar contact, say altitude leaving.​

06:02:18.9​

HOT-1 flaps twenty, taxi check.​

06:02:21.0​

HOT-2 full right.​

06:02:23.8​

GND Skywest sixty eight nineteen, climb and maintain one zero thousand,​

ten thousand, join Victor one seventy one and resume *,​

own navigation.​

06:02:24.0​

HOT-2 full left.​

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HOT-1 test your brakes any time.​

06:02:31.1​

HOT-2 I want to *** down.​

06:02:32.3​

HOT-1 sure.​

06:02:41.5​

HOT-2 let's see, comin' back.​

06:02:51.6​

HOT-1 brakes.​

06:02:52.3​

HOT-1 they're checked.​

06:02:53.2​

HOT-2 right, flaps.​

06:02:54.4​

HOT-1 set twenty, indicating twenty.​

06:02:55.6​

HOT-2 flight controls.​

06:02:56.3​

HOT-1 check left.​

06:02:58.3​

HOT-2 on the right, trims.​

06:02:59.5​

HOT-1 engage zero seven point two.​

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HOT-2 radar terrain displays. [spoken in a yawning voice]​

06:03:04.0​

HOT-2 all the taxi check's complete. [spoken in a yawning voice]​

06:03:12.0​

HOT-1 finish it up your leisure.​

06:03:16.4​

HOT-2 yeah, I know three guys at Kennedy. actually two guys uh....​

@@ he went but he didn't get past the sim.​

06:03:26.7​

HOT-1 oh, really.​

06:03:29.1​

HOT-2 and then um, a First Officer from Cinci....​

06:03:34.5​

GND Eagle flight radar contact, radar contact. say altitude leaving.​

06:03:35.1​

HOT-2 got through the second part....​

06:03:37.2​

HOT-2 what do you do the uh, these tests.... and he didn't, and that's as​

far as he got.​

06:03:40.8​

GND Eagle flight eight eighty two, climb and maintain one zero thousand,​

ten thousand.​

06:03:49.3​

HOT-2 and then @@ he actually got offered the position.​

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HOT-1 did he take it or....​

06:03:55.5​

HOT-2 yeah.​

06:03:56.1​

HOT-1 ah, okay.​

06:04:01.2​

HOT-2 second engine started, anti-ice probes windshield low.
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06:04:03.1
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GND * sixteen ninety one, previous question.
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06:04:05.6​

HOT-2 hydraulics checked, APU's on, FMS we got runway two two out of​

Lexington up to six.​

06:04:13.3​

HOT-2 thrust reversers are armed, auto crossflow is manual, ignition is​

off, altimeters three
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Over the years I have worked with 6 major international airlines and one Australian regional. When working with international airlines you would be sent away for training at the respective major hubs, i.e. load control courses etc. So if the flight was full you would be assigned a jump seat in the flight deck. I could write a book on the conversations I have heard when crew are going through pre-flight, landing checklists. It is certainly not standard operating procedures to refer to other conversation when reciting these lists. Our crew will have a Take Off and Landing List and will be required to confirm the departing runway along with many other information # etc etc…..Australian airlines are generally hearing information on the same wave length. Pilots flying internationally will hear instructions from ATC in many different accents, even more reason not to engage in other conversation.

Let's hope we get the full picture from this ugly event which can give closure to the families and love ones involved.

 

[Tulessa]

All I know is this. I haven't flown since 9/11, nor will I.

 

[emirates1957]

Of course the families should be notified first and always. Sometimes, reporters or others rush to the news when they shouldn't. In this case, I can't see the authority bypassing the relatives. Could have, but Air Asia and rescue need to know who's more important. Finding the victims, determining how they died, finding the black boxes & fuselage. In that order. I'm pretty tired of pictures of rescuers with cameras snapping shots of the victims or leaked rescues of bodies on youtube! Fake or not and the reporting since yesterday about the darn black boxes before mentioning the people missing. It's probably a language difference. rant over...

Please rant as long as you like, totally agree.

 

[Snoods]

Autopsies will only be performed on a select few, according to this article.

Autopsy will be performed on some of the bodies to support an investigation into the crash, Xinhua news agency quoted head of the Disaster Victim Identification (DVI) center Budiono as saying.

"Some of them will be autopsied to find out the cause of the accident," he said at the Police Hospital Bhayangkara in Surabaya, the provincial capital of East Java.

"We will conduct autopsy at least on bodies of the pilot, co-pilot,'' he was quoted as saying.

Read more:
http://www.straitstimes.com/news/as...nother-12-bodies-sent-surabaya-hospital-ident

 

[emirates1957]

Maybe the airline doesn't want the autopsies if it potentially opens them up for more liability? If they can blame it on weather and have no proof of anyone being alive but dying due to the delay in rescue efforts, it is to their advantage in some way I'm guessing.

Always about the $$$$$

Wouldn't consider this for 1 minute.

 

[emirates1957]

Air Asia's permit to fly that route 7-days-a-week only ceased in October. They were apparently flying under their old permit regs instead of their new permit regs, according to the transport ministry spokesman.


Tommy Soetomo, the head of state-owned airport operator PT Angkasa Pura I, said AirAsia had a slot to fly on Sundays.

But Mr. Barata said that information was outdated and that AirAsia should have returned the slot to the government based on the new permit. Before October, AirAsia had permission to fly daily flights from Surabaya, Indonesia’s second largest city, to Singapore, he said.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/airasia...ute-on-day-of-crash-indonesia-says-1420261574

This sounds like the legal eagles are working overtime !!

 

[Snoods]

It sounds as though they are trying to identify the victims and return them to their families as quickly as possible. Perhaps they only intend to autopsy the flight crew. They have stated they have performed one autopsy so far, and they have found one flight crew member so far.


While earlier, Indonesian police brought back the body of Kevin Alexander Soetjipto, the Australian student who perished in the AirAsia crash.
The Monash University student is the third identified victim of the crash, and was travelling from Indonesia to Singapore with relatives.

Mr Soetjipto’s remains were given to his family in a wooden coffin covered in flowers with his name printed on the outside during an emotional handover ceremony in Surabaya, Indonesia.
Mr Soetjipto is originally from Malang in Indonesia and was in Australia on a student visa.

Medical professionals are working around the clock at a makeshift morgue in Surabaya to help identify the bodies of victims that have been retrieved from the crash site.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...ia-flight-qz8501/story-fnizu68q-1227173151716

BBM Ahh spot on SouthAussie! See article I just linked above regarding the autopsies.

 

[emirates1957]

All I know is this. I haven't flown since 9/11, nor will I.

You know what Tulessa, I would be flying more than ever after 9/11 …. these ba***er^^^s would never stop me or my family bowing to them. However I do understand and respect your opinion.

 

[SouthAussie]

4.49PM: Of 162 passengers and crew on board, almost a fifth have been found.


4.18PM: Russian authorities speak to the media after the arrival of the BE-200 (amphibious plane). The aircraft is equipped with instruments that can detect small debris on the surface and the bottom of the sea. The plane is also equipped with a special sonar and acoustic system which can detect beacons from the black box.

The Russians will also deploy 22 of its deep water divers, and a submersible vehicle weighing 500kg. The submersible vehicle will be able to operate under strong currents and high waves, they said.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/live-blog-airasia-flight/1565048.html


(I didn't realise that Russia and Indonesia have a close relationship.)

 

[Snoods]

This article pretty much sums up the key developments from today, highlights below:

INDONESIA TO PROBE ALL AIRASIA FLIGHT ROUTES
“We are going to investigate all AirAsia flight schedules,” said Djoko Muratmodjo, acting general-director for air navigation in the transport ministry. “Hopefully we can start on next Monday. We won’t focus on licences, just schedules.”

“It might be possible to revoke AirAsia’s licence in Indonesia,” Muratmodjo added.

The transport ministry had already suspended AirAsia's Surabaya-Singapore route.

ANOTHER TWO BODIES IDENTIFIED
Meantime, another two bodies have been identified. They are Mr Hendra Gunawan Sawal, a 23-year-old Indonesian, and Ms Tejakusuma, 44, said Col Budiyono of the Disaster Victim Identification (DVI) department. Another 12 bodies - nine males and three females - were transported to Surabaya on Saturday, bringing the total to 30.

TWO BIG OBJECTS FOUND
Two big objects were found on Saturday about 30 metres under water and located near an oil slick spotted on Friday, said Mr Bambang Soelistyo, chief of Indonesia's search and rescue agency Basarnas. The larger of the objects was around 10m by 5m.

“With the discovery of an oil spill and two big parts of the aircraft, I can assure you these are the parts of the AirAsia plane we have been looking for,” he said.

fhttp://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/south-east-asia/story/airasia-flight-qz8501-debris-and-bodies-are-found-search-bad-weather

 

[SouthAussie]

This article pretty much sums up the key developments from today, highlights below:



fhttp://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/south-east-asia/story/airasia-flight-qz8501-debris-and-bodies-are-found-search-bad-weather

I was just reading the same thing about their license, under this big headline ...


Indonesia Mulls Revoking AirAsia's License After Plane Crash on Unauthorised Route

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/indonesia-...e-after-plane-crash-unauthorised-route-619156


I wonder why their permit terms were changed from every day to 4 days for that route, and who requested the change.

 

[SouthAussie]

The Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore (CAAS) and the Changi Airport group (CAG) said on Saturday (Jan 3) that Indonesia AirAsia's Surabaya-Singapore service has been given approval at Singapore's end.

Replying to media queries, they said in a joint statement that before an airline can launch a service between two points, it needs to obtain approval of its flight schedules from the respective civil aviation authorities at each end of its flight routing separately.

It said that on Singapore's end, Indonesia AirAsia had applied to operate a daily flight between Surabaya and Singapore for the Northern Winter Season from Oct 26, 2014 to Mar 28, 2015, arriving at Changi Airport at 8.30am (Singapore time) and departing for Surabaya at 2.10pm (Singapore time).

"These daily flights were approved ..... "

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/airasia-surabaya/1565758.html

 

[Tssiemer]

The pilot wife makes it sounds like NTSB blamed the pilots. Its not "blame" - however a prudent question is ecactly who IS repsonsible for making sure an aircraft is taking off from the proper place?

They also reported:

3.1 Findings
1. The captain and the first officer were properly certificated and qualified under Federal
regulations. There was no evidence of any medical or behavioral conditions that might
have adversely affected their performance during the accident flight. Before reporting
for the accident flight, the flight crewmembers had rest periods that were longer than
those required by Federal regulations and company policy.

2. The accident airplane was properly certified, equipped, and maintained in accordance
with Federal regulations. The recovered components showed no evidence of any
structural, engine, or system failures.

3. Weather was not a factor in this accident. No restrictions to visibility occurred during
the airplane’s taxi to the runway and the attempted takeoff. The taxi and the attempted
takeoff occurred about 1 hour before sunrise during night visual meteorological
conditions and with no illumination from the moon.

4. The captain and the first officer believed that the airplane was on runway 22 when
they taxied onto runway 26 and initiated the takeoff roll.

5. The flight crew recognized that something was wrong with the takeoff beyond the
point from which the airplane could be stopped on the remaining available runway.

6. Because the accident airplane had taxied onto and taken off from runway 26 without
a clearance to do so, this accident was a runway incursion.

7. Adequate cues existed on the airport surface and available resources were present in
the cockpit to allow the flight crew to successfully navigate from the air carrier ramp
to the runway 22 threshold.

8. The flight crewmembers’ nonpertinent conversation during the taxi, which was not in
compliance with Federal regulations and company policy, likely contributed to their
loss of positional awareness.

9. The flight crewmembers failed to recognize that they were initiating a takeoff on the
wrong runway because they did not cross-check and confirm the airplane’s position
on the runway before takeoff and they were likely influenced by confirmation bias.

10. Even though the flight crewmembers made some errors during their preflight activities
and the taxi to the runway, there was insufficient evidence to determine whether
fatigue affected their performance.

I lived in Lexington when this happened. There was ALOT of talk about the pilots not being professional in the pit. I guess because in the transcripts they were talking about something else while going through the checks. In the maps the run ways at bluegrass are confusing. It's very small and very cramped. But I guess the main thing was there were no lights on the runway they were on and that should have been a red flag. It was also really foggy that day if I remember. (Eta no im wrong it was clear) My friend from northern ky had just drove her parents down to bluegrass to catch a different flight early in the morning and then she came to my apartment and slept on my couch. She woke me up to tell me what happened and we drove out there but couldn't get within a few miles of the airport.


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[Tssiemer]

I also remember a lot of outrage about the co pilot saying he doesn't remember what happened. Lexington was ready to tar and feather him it seemed. I don't remember if he came to the memorial ceremony I was there and people were very angry at him for surviving it seemed.


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[gregjrichards]

4.49PM: Of 162 passengers and crew on board, almost a fifth have been found.


4.18PM: Russian authorities speak to the media after the arrival of the BE-200 (amphibious plane). The aircraft is equipped with instruments that can detect small debris on the surface and the bottom of the sea. The plane is also equipped with a special sonar and acoustic system which can detect beacons from the black box.

The Russians will also deploy 22 of its deep water divers, and a submersible vehicle weighing 500kg. The submersible vehicle will be able to operate under strong currents and high waves, they said.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/live-blog-airasia-flight/1565048.html


(I didn't realise that Russia and Indonesia have a close relationship.)

Neither did I but I am glad they were willing to help. Thanks for all your updates everyone they have been very informative.

Off topic - I am a bit better today still in hospital but I'm not in so much pain. Thanks again for all your best wishes and hope you all have a nice weekend.

 

[CARIIS]

My thing with it was the way CNN just rolled over moms allegation regarding NTSB. Dont you mess with my NTSB! IN the investigtaion they found that on and off throughout thier checklist that chit and chatted. NTSB reported that fact. THe sterile rule ( not talking non pertinent under 10000 ) is broke all the time - not on and off directly during a checklist where you need to remember where you are.


Chatting while your climbing to cruise, although violating sterile cocpit , IMO is far different than right in themiddle of a checklist.

Wife claimed they looked at nothing else - that is why i posted the findings. THe report is 200 and some pages, obviously NTSB did not just go for the pitlots. THey never just go for something- that is why i think they are so asaazing especially in currupt govt these days.