Retrieving wreckage from AirAsia Flight To Singapore- no survivors recovered #3

[SouthAussie]

In his Facebook post, Dr Ng said: “We have informed BASARNAS, the Indonesian search authority who can now begin recovery operations.”

He hoped that with the fuselage now located, “some form of closure can come to the families of the victims to ease their grief”.

He added: “I would also like to thank all our SAF servicemen who have given this mission their all to help the Indonesians recover the flight data and cockpit voice recorders, and the fuselage. Especially to the crew of MV Swift Rescue, you never gave up - well done.”

http://www.todayonline.com/singapore-navy-ship-finds-fuselage-wings-air-asia-qz8501-found


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[Snoods]

YES! Woot! Thank you for the update SA.

Now, please bring those souls home to their loved ones so they can finally lay them to rest.

 

[Snoods]

Images released by Ng Eng Hen show sections of the fuselage, with lettering from the side of the plane visible in the black and white images.

http://abcnews.go.com/International...s-fuselage-spotted-java-sea/story?id=28213636

https://www.facebook.com/ngenghen.d...41856.650377555055507/762393203853941/?type=1

The middle photo is indicating that the PK lettering is underneath the plane? I don't think that's correct, it's actually at the rear of the plane, they already recovered one side of it. It's white with red lettering.

It appears the main fuselage is pretty intact. So the plane must have only split open in the front and rear of the plane.

ETA The PK does appear to be part of the wing, see photo below

 

[SouthAussie]

The middle photo is indicating that the PK lettering is underneath the plane? I don't think that's correct, it's actually at the rear of the plane, they already recovered one side of it. It's white with red lettering.

It appears the main fuselage is pretty intact. So the plane must have only split open in the front and rear of the plane.

We may have to wait for emirates to come to the thread to confirm, but I think aircraft have to have the registration number under the wing as well as on the side ... so it can be seen from underneath too.

Nationality and registration marks of aircraft .... (this is about the UK law, but Australia has it too from what I have read before).
Position and size of marks
(1) The position and size of marks on heavier than air aircraft (excluding kites) shall be as follows:
(a) on the horizontal surfaces of the wings:
(i) on aircraft having a fixed wing surface, the marks shall appear on the lower surface of the wing structure and shall be on the port wing unless they extend across the whole surface of both wings.

http://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-176809.html


So that pic would be part of the left wing of the plane, I think. I'm not positive about this, it is just from stuff I read during initial MH370 searches.

 

[Snoods]

Here's another photo, actually it does look like part of the wing:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30813420

 

[Snoods]

We may have to wait for emirates to come to the thread to confirm, but I think aircraft have to have the registration number under the wing as well as on the side ... so it can be seen from underneath too.

Nationality and registration marks of aircraft .... (this is about the UK law, but Australia has it too from what I have read before).
Position and size of marks
(1) The position and size of marks on heavier than air aircraft (excluding kites) shall be as follows:
(a) on the horizontal surfaces of the wings:
(i) on aircraft having a fixed wing surface, the marks shall appear on the lower surface of the wing structure and shall be on the port wing unless they extend across the whole surface of both wings.

http://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-176809.html

Yes I believe you are correct, I found another photo that does look like it's part of the wing.

 

[Boodles]

If a wing is still attached, might that infer the plane did not enter the sea vertically? After they recover the bodies, all I then hope for is to hear that there were no survivors upon impact (or preferably before impact). I can't stand the idea that the victims may have suffered and their loved ones could find out that the plane landed at sea and they waited in a floating plane for a rescue that never came.

We we need to get GPS tracking devices on planes! It's just common sense!

I'm so grateful the fuselage has been found! Thanks to all for the updates.

 

[Skittles]

Another two people were identified on Wednesday:

"4.58PM: Two more bodies from the crashed flight have been identified: Christanto Leoma Hutama, 22, male from Tulungagung, and Jie Stephanie Gunawan, 21, female from Surabaya. Both were Indonesian and were engaged to be married.

Jie Stephanie is among a family of 7 that was travelling together on the flight. Five of the bodies from the group have been identified so far."

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/live-blog-retrieving-the/1583898.html

 

[Snoods]

Another two people were identified on Wednesday:

"4.58PM: Two more bodies from the crashed flight have been identified: Christanto Leoma Hutama, 22, male from Tulungagung, and Jie Stephanie Gunawan, 21, female from Surabaya. Both were Indonesian and were engaged to be married.

Jie Stephanie is among a family of 7 that was travelling together on the flight. Five of the bodies from the group have been identified so far."

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/live-blog-retrieving-the/1583898.html

Thank you for the update, Skittles.

Jie Stephanie Gunawan, 21, and Christanto Leoma Hutama, 22, engaged couple.

http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/artic...ia-crash-victims-last-birthday-wish-ill-spend

 

[Snoods]

So the tail and fuselage were two miles apart, interesting.

[video=twitter;555373496428396544]https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/555373496428396544?lang=en[/video]

 

[Snoods]

[video=twitter;555345480364724224]https://twitter.com/STcom/status/555345480364724224?lang=en[/video]

 

[watcher9]

[video=twitter;555345480364724224]https://twitter.com/STcom/status/555345480364724224?lang=en[/video]

According to this new tweet, the fuselage with wing"s" has now been found but in the article below, the CVR was found under a wing which had to be lifted before they could retrieve the box. Are both releases talking about the same location and thus it was known all along where the body of the plane was or was it actually two locations and at least one wing was actually separated from the plane? Apparently, a lot of what we find out depends upon who's talking at the time.

http://www.kashmirtimes.in/newsdet.aspx?q=40338

 

[Skittles]

Two more passengers were found on Wednesday:

"BASARNAS also confirmed to have recovered two additional passengers’ remains which were located near Sembilan Island, approximately 70 miles southwest from Kota Baru, South Borneo. The two remains will be transported to Pangkalan Bun and then to Bhayangkara Hospital in Surabaya for identification."

<snip>

"To date, BASARNAS has confirmed to have recovered a total of 50 remains of which 38 have been identified by DVI POLRI, 10 are still being identified and 2 have yet arrived at Bhayangkara Hospital."

http://qz8501.airasia.com/

 

[watcher9]

Two more passengers were found on Wednesday:

"BASARNAS also confirmed to have recovered two additional passengers&#8217; remains which were located near Sembilan Island, approximately 70 miles southwest from Kota Baru, South Borneo. The two remains will be transported to Pangkalan Bun and then to Bhayangkara Hospital in Surabaya for identification."

<snip>

"To date, BASARNAS has confirmed to have recovered a total of 50 remains of which 38 have been identified by DVI POLRI, 10 are still being identified and 2 have yet arrived at Bhayangkara Hospital."

http://qz8501.airasia.com/

This link also describes the wreckage along with the right wing being found in the second focused primary area. SAR team divers will be deployed tomorrow (which I assume means tonight) for recovery operations.

 

[Boodles]

According to this new tweet, the fuselage with wing"s" has now been found but in the article below, the CVR was found under a wing which had to be lifted before they could retrieve the box. Are both releases talking about the same location and thus it was known all along where the body of the plane was or was it actually two locations and at least one wing was actually separated from the plane? Apparently, a lot of what we find out depends upon who's talking at the time.

http://www.kashmirtimes.in/newsdet.aspx?q=40338

'Bambang Soelistyo, Indonesia's National Search and Rescue chief, said the section found is 100 feet long and 30 feet wide with a height of 10 feet.

"The fuselage with a wing still attached on it was found in the priority search area and has been confirmed as part of AirAsia plane," he said.'

Per USA today, the fuselage had one wing attached.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/01/14/air-asia-fuselage/21738121/

 

[jggordo]

I could be crazy but it appears to me that the aircraft came to the ocean at a near horizontal attitude. Lost the tail as it's first point of contact with the Java Sea. As it slowed in it's approach with the ocean began taking on water from it. Within minutes of impact, aircraft personnel deployed one slide thinking they could survive it. The aircraft taking one last gulp of air from the rear of it creating a bubble to force any loose seats and aircraft personnel out the opening. To me the idea of some sort of "explosion" at impact is not creditable.

JMO

 

[MsFacetious]

You don't "crash" a plane into the water and have it be so intact. :twocents:
We will never know how many people survived this apparently successful water landing.
My bet is that many of them did. :tears:

 

[itzkatiex0]

I am so happy they found the fuselage. I hope they find the rest of the victims. At least the families would have some closure. I wonder how fast the plane took on water if it did make a successful water landing. I mean obviously the tail broke off so it makes me wonder how the floating bodies came free.. Did they have enough time to unbuckle while the rest did not? Or was it that they were just not wearing their seatbelts when it happened. I'm torn on having everyone have an autopsy done. A lot of people don't want to imagine their loved one being ripped open and everything removed. I know when my mom died, I chose not to have one done because I didn't wanna put her through that. Its a tough situation. Hopefully they will find the nose soon and once the information is translated and everything I hope there is a clear answer as to what happened.

 

[MsFacetious]

But if your mother had been murdered you would not have been given an option.
Autopsies are mandatory in homicide cases, regardless of religious beliefs.
It should be the same way in aviation disasters.

If you are flying a Cessna and crash, your family can refuse an autopsy... I don't care.

If you are on an airliner that goes down, you should have an autopsy... period. No other choice.
Thousands of other lives could be at risk if they don't find out every detail of the crash.
Their religious beliefs are endangering thousands of other people.

We won't learn from this about how to find the planes faster... since they won't know how many lived.
What if we knew that 160 lives could have been saved by getting to the plane faster?
That would create a lot more desire to change than if 5 lives could have been saved.

We will never have an accurate picture of how this all played out.
The people who did survive, how did they die?
Exposure? Drowning? Animals? Trauma? We will have no clue.

They study injuries from different parts of the aircraft when accidents happen.
We can't do that this time, because only a few will have autopsies.

Also, this pilot will not get the recognition he deserves.
It appears he successfully ditched a plane in the SEA.
Something that has only been done a couple of times before.
He deserves to be recognized for that. But he won't be.

There shouldn't have been a choice given about autopsies... and in many countries, there wouldn't have been. :twocents:

 

[PrairieWind]

Ms. Facetious, i think we need to just wait and see what they find before we opine on whether autopsies should be required. It may be that if they find many of the passengers still in that fuselage that the causes of death are readily apparent from cursory examination. I certainly am in favor of thorough investigation, but autopsies may not reveal much, and if not necessary, shouldn't be required. It depends I guess on what the law is there. Whether the pilot made a successful water landing will be mostly revealed by the wreckage and black boxes, and autopsies wont shed any light on that.