Retrieving wreckage from AirAsia Flight To Singapore- no survivors recovered

[Isabelle]

So sad. I still don't understand why planes would fly in the direction on storms that were taking place.

 

[CARIIS]

Looking at the images of the last known radar position of QZ8501 and where the debris has been located
Is there speculation that the plane had or was circling back?
OR
Did the flow of the sea push the debris south of the last known contact area?
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It appears as if my wondering if there was an inflight break up was totally wrong. It actually appears as if they had cocntrol of some sort for some peroid of time. THey have the capaccity to glide for some distance (miles), but in order to be able to do that they had to have control of a disable aircraft.

The debris feild being relative together also indicates a reasonal impact wiht surface. All this bodes well that both recorders were in all liklihood recording until impact, which is great. I think we may be back to AF scenario with ice playing a big role in the planes performance

 

[Elainera]

Looking at the images of the last known radar position of QZ8501 and where the debris has been located
Is there speculation that the plane had or was circling back?
OR
Did the flow of the sea push the debris south of the last known contact area?
View attachment 66463

From what I understand, yes the current goes in that direction.

 

[Isabelle]

It appears as if my wondering if there was an inflight break up was totally wrong. It actually appears as if they had cocntrol of some sort for some peroid of time. THey have the capaccity to glide for some distance (miles), but in order to be able to do that they had to have control of a disable aircraft.

The debris feild being relative together also indicates a reasonal impact wiht surface. All this bodes well that both recorders were in all liklihood recording until impact, which is great. I think we may be back to AF scenario with ice playing a big role in the planes performance

Has there been any report as to large part of the plane found? Wondering how much of the fuselage is intact and if wings attached?

 

[CARIIS]

So sad. I still don't understand why planes would fly in the direction on storms that were taking place.

.In hindsight it might be easy to look at it like that. But a part of the story that came out relativliy late, which adds perspective (besides being a pilot that has transversed, like thousands of others each day)was that he had just diverted around, to the left of one and then (radar in airplanes are forward viewing -) so if we back him up 20 minutes he saw system one ahead of him, diverted, and it looks as if coming around that a 600 mile (BBC) wide beast was on the other side of it. But becasue he just went around a big one he knew what was now behind him so it stuck me as it might have been kinda of like uturn and go right back into the one behind me or do the same with the one ahead of me.

BUt the real interesting thing that came out later was that in between the first and second one was a area of clear, super duper chilled air . See the white small area directly in front of them- that is the supercooled downdraft area.

Basically it is water droplets that are at freezing temp that have not frozen yet but do so instantly when hitting a object. Aircraft are very sensitive to ice on their surfaces - it interupts airflow and alters lift and drag. So imagine suddenly your wings are iceing at rapid and unsucpected rate, a beast is before you.

In areas where the super cooled droplets are is usually accompanied by down drafts. So in addition to the above he might have been hit when downdrafts as well. THe supercooled water would do the same when landing on the surface of the engines, (did one flame out?) so all his flying dynamics are changing, not for the good, quickly and this is before he got out of the supercooled area and attempted to penetrate the monster ahead of him.

We got to remember they are flying! Look what is ahead of him after the super cooled part, red bad part! Follwed by the purple black awful awful awful stuff. SO in a really short peroid of time these guys were slammed. It had to be a really scary ride for everyone as well.

Lets say the poor guys were busy. IT sure seems from where the wreckage was found, that they actually appearred to have kept an aircraft in extreme distress relativily stable for some two minutes - quite a feat it seems.

THey will both still get nailed tho investigative wise, with proceeding, but as long as the recorders were recording you guys are going to see how amazing this process is. We will know every single second, what happened, what knobs were clicked, what alarms were blaring, if it was raining, pouring, hailing, windsheild blownout, depresurazatoion, what the airplane itself was doing, what the flight crew thought was happening. Keep following, at least until the preliminary readout.

They usually make a animation from the prelimnary readouts (should be in the next two days if they were not damaged and recording) we all shall know all, in terms of the basics soon..........................

 

[PrairieWind]

That is very interesting Cariis. I know super cooled water was the beginning of the problem for Air France 447. I believe the problem there was that it froze up the pitot tubes which resulted in conflicting/confusing information being fed initially to the auto-pilot and then to the pilots. Could that have happened again? I know Airbus took some corrective measures to fix the pitot tube problem, but I don't know what it was.

 

[CARIIS]

Has there been any report as to large part of the plane found? Wondering how much of the fuselage is intact and if wings attached?

Me too!

 

[Emi]

I am extremely glad they found debris unlike the MH 370

 

[CARIIS]

That is very interesting Cariis. I know super cooled water was the beginning of the problem for Air France 447. I believe the problem there was that it froze up the pitot tubes which resulted in conflicting/confusing information being fed initially to the auto-pilot and then to the pilots. Could that have happened again? I know Airbus took some corrective measures to fix the pitot tube problem, but I don't know what it was.

The airworthiness directive for the pivot tubes was only for the A330/A340 so we might be doing a replay, if so, Airbuss needs to start moving money up to the space station!
[h=1]Europeans Require Pitot Tube Modifications for A330/A340[/h]

 

[CARIIS]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ctims-holding-hands-in-the-water-9950077.html DEC 30

AirAsia flight QZ8501 crash: Pilot describes seeing victims 'holding hands' in the water

Which is touching while also translates to they were aware of everything

 

[CARIIS]

guys so any of you know how to do that tomcat thing or whatever it is - can you go over to the actual area ??? and then we can see for oursleves! I dont know any of that stuff but that would be interesting anyone know how to use it?

Tomnod whatever it is!

According to Qwest jet engines are "heavy" - just sharing his brillance.

Look at all the boats :

[h=2]Photo: Heavy maritime traffic in AirAsia jet search area off Indonesia's coast - @MarineTraffic[/h]

 

[newone]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/a...es-don-t-live-stream-black-box-data-1.2586966

Two Canadian companies have developed new technology.

There are options for live streaming information based on a catastrophic event aboard an aircraft and the live streaming would cost about $5-7 per minute according to this information:

''AFIRS system doesn't stream black box data for every hour of every flight. It only begins streaming data once an irregular event has occurred, which reduces the satellite transmission costs significantly.


Hayden says that based on Iridium's pricing, it would cost about $5 to $7 US per minute to transmit black box data via their satellites to the ground.


He estimates that if this technology had been on board the missing Malaysian Airlines flight and live-streaming for the estimated seven hours after the flight first experienced a problem, it would have cost about $3,000.

Given how much time, money and effort has been expended on the luckless search for MH370's black box, the cost of operating a live-streaming version seems like a trifle, says U of T's Perovic.''

 

[skibaboo]

guys so any of you know how to do that tomcat thing or whatever it is - can you go over to the actual area ??? and then we can see for oursleves! I dont know any of that stuff but that would be interesting anyone know how to use it?

Tomnod? I'm looking at it now but I don't think the tiles are from the area the wreckage has been spotted, going by this tweet

Tomnod ‏@tomnod 17h17 hours ago
4 images are up in the #AirAsia8501 search campaign. Here's where they're located. Join: http://bit.ly/1zN1Wzu pic.twitter.com/UiXTHYt7AM



Tomnod @tomnod
@j***** @I***** Since these images were collected, the tasking AOI has shifted further south.

https://twitter.com/tomnod

 

[Intermezzo]

guys so any of you know how to do that tomcat thing or whatever it is - can you go over to the actual area ??? and then we can see for oursleves! I dont know any of that stuff but that would be interesting anyone know how to use it?

do you mean TomNod?
I don't have time to start the search this morning but to be quick you can reply with the link(s) and I will take a look at it this afternoon...many of us from the MH370 thread (that are also on this thread) spent many hours early on in that search going thru the tomnod images as they were being posted

 

[Elainera]

Has there been any report as to large part of the plane found? Wondering how much of the fuselage is intact and if wings attached?

Nothing like that has been reported yet.

 

[Elainera]

One expert on CNN (sorry can't remember the name) said it looks most likely that the plane went into the water intact.

But think what likely happened next: a plane falling from such great altitude at terminal velocity (I think?) into a shallow sea (appr. 120 -150 ft) is like jumping from a 30 ft board into a 3 inch swimming pool, head first. Surely you will break bones.

 

[CARIIS]

wouldn't sudden and harsh descent also activate oxygen automatically? (I don't know) -- that's when I would be reaching under my seat....:blushing:

We will know in a bit as it relates to rate of descent, but think of of desending in a distressed airliner as being on a rollarcoaster going down - but much more intense. The g forces keep people "smushed" into their seat, they cant breath there chest feels smushed they cant move a limb it forced down . So even if anything came out i dont think anyone could get anything

 

[LietKynes]

Horrible. My sympathies to the families. There are no survivors, correct ?

 

[Intermezzo]

thanks for the picture

Having lived in Florida for many years we became accustomed to seeing these intensity colours and knowing what kind of weather was approaching...
. I was also quite impressed with our local meteorologists (when Hurricane Charley was approaching the west coast of Florida they broke away from Ntl forecast predictions of the storm, our local guys were correct in their prediction that the storm would turn early) ..
I have seen the 3 shades of Red, the pink and the purple which is intense to extreme weather
I have never seen white which indicates most extreme weather according to weather intensity guide...

What is the area that is Black/Grey area on the weather map?

 

[Elainera]

Horrible. My sympathies to the families. There are no survivors, correct ?

None have been found and it seems that everybody thinks it would be highly unlikely.