Retrieving wreckage from AirAsia Flight To Singapore- no survivors recovered

[Intermezzo]

This isn't regular doplar imaging - its super dooper stuff! The black is like worse than our deep red/purple basically horrible horrible horrile!

that's what I thought, thanks for clarifying and confirming.

 

[Bravo]

Thanks for your post gitana1. Sure makes one feel better. So it seems it's similar to fight or flight mode?

 

[Bravo]

Seems just before take off so many passengers are busy texting and snapping a quick photo to send off to loved one's. Those communications will mean so much now. Sadly.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

I've been on tomnod for a few hours, going crosseyed! lol

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WTH is this?

Darth Vader's nice twin?

 

[CARIIS]

It is extremely doubtful that the passengers fully knew what was happening other than there was an emergency and likely a sudden, extreme drop. In moments like that, of extreme emergency, people's adrenaline tends to kick in and they hold on and concentrate on trying to survive the moment - not in feeling intense fear. The body doesn't really allow that, much. (I've read a lot of survivor stories. It's after the catastrophe, if they survive, that shock and panic set in.)



No way in hell did these people have time or the ability to search for life jackets or put them on, IMO. They simply held onto their seats or one another.



Hitting the water with force would've been enough to tear their clothes off their bodies. Ever heard of people who were flung from cars in crashes or thrown by an explosion, ending up with no clothes or shoes? It's the impact.



Planes try to avoid storms for passenger comfort. But they are equipped to fly through incredible storms, safely, and millions do fly through storms each year without incident.



Not quite. The minute there is turbulence or weather I'm usually grabbing for the hand of my loved one. That doesn't mean I am aware the plane is in trouble or of my imminent death. The passengers were aware of the storm and likely many were nervous. But when the plane crashed it was probably relatively quick (minutes) during which they were not ruminating on what was happening or to come. Their minds shifted into an adrenaline fueled fight or flight mode and they likely just grabbed on tight and didn't think of much at all. Instinct rather than thought takes over, from what I have learned.

From what I have read in accident reports I wish your notion was true! I visualize from a time much earlier than the actual start of the accident sequece. . I think people look at forecast when traveling. We have to remember before this that region had been experiencing its worst monsoon season in decades. So they were a weather aware group from the start.

They takeoff and they look out the window they see dark scary skies. Start hitting some moderate outflow turbulence. Things are making noise in the cabin with just the moderate turbelence. .Folks are glancing at flight crew. Flight crew faces give some information. As they get closer it looks darker. The pilot comes on and advises remain in seats, we are anticipating some intense turbulence all is well and we are going to go around it. The plane does a drop – everyone screams. It then lurches upward. Stuff is falling out of bins.

If you look at the radar on the first diversion to the left they were in some hairy stuff even at that point. The intensity of the turbulence is increasing, a couple of overheads pop open, debris falls. It begans raining very loudly. Couple more big drops or ups. A sideslip (left to right sideways – kind of like sliding across the floor)


Then it is sunny and blue. But now the airplane lurches downward as the super chilled water droplets smash into the airplane and freeze upon contact. People looking out their windows are seeing ice forming quicker than they ever have seen , jet engine noises are changing, the flight crew is trying to stabilize the downdraft –-the plane is pitching, yawing and rolling.

More stuff falls from above. Some folks have been hit by falling objects, a couple have vomited and or defecated and urinated. The plane shutters and trembles violently when its airspeed falls and it is on the verge of a stall. Its kind of like taking wooden matches and shaking em- the noise – the whole thing shudders and shudders and the shuddering gets louder and louder and more violent the closer it gets to actual stall speed. She is clawing to stay airborne just tremebling. At that point all bins are open and stuff is falling all over everyone.


They then reenter the orange stuff, heavy rain , darkness, aircraft is being tossed right left up down wings up wings down.The rain is slamming the fuelage. Its loud and scary. don’t know if a engine flamed out or stalled ( an engine stalling sounds like really loud bangs and then surges and then screams and then bangs again and then smoke and fire spew out and then starts really banging loud again).

Now they are approaching that black part of the radar which gods knows what then transpires. At this point we would probably be including hail striking the bouncing, dark, yawing rolling, engines screaming or sputtering or failing entirely, rain slamming, things flying about the cabin striking people, people screaming blood on faces, and now hail striking and denting the roof of the cabin, the wings, the engines.

Then the g forces start. Best way to visualize this is to put an elephant on top of you. One cant breath, the skin all over your face is blown backwards off your face you cant move a limb (elephant is on it). Your eyes feel like they are going to explode. You feel like you are being squished.Control over body functions at this point goes.


Only then I am guessing might you be lucky enough to black out from everything going on. If the dive is slowed or corrected the elephant lifts you revive and are now aware to see and hear everything again. If there was a window broken during any of the above mentioned (highly likely especially in the cockpit from the hail) then you add decompression into the cacophony of noise and sights.(Freezing cold, blue mist in the cabin, everything sucked out, and a deafening roar mixed in until the end)


We need to remember they were in level 5 wind stuff, that is 100 mph lets call em “breezes” swishing by an aircraft, in different directions, The plane would either drastically speed up and then drastically be pushed to the left, or then drastically bought to the edge of stall speed. I visualize a rag doll in a mad dogs mouth......


just IMO, I respectfully disagree, I def don’t think it was a here one second, deceased the next. I think many suffered a long (from the onset of fear 20 minutes after takeoff) loud, cold, ex curating, scary, and painful demise. It was sadly far from an instant experience, there had to quite some time as things got more and more out of control.

just my notions

 

[CARIIS]

I tagged a few spots but they could be boats. Lordy!

I am just impressed that both of you can figuere out how to even start doing it. We thank you!!

Tickles me pink everyone referancing MAL 370 in the context of discussing what equipment is being bought in " this was used in MAL 370"

Well that was a succesfull peice of equipoment ha!

 

[emirates1957]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ctims-holding-hands-in-the-water-9950077.html DEC 30

AirAsia flight QZ8501 crash: Pilot describes seeing victims 'holding hands' in the water

So they knew they were going down. This is so so sad.

 

[Bravo]

Not disputing or disrespecting but I cant figure out how Victims were holding hands????

 

[MsFacetious]

If they were holding hands they certainly wouldn't have remained that way while their clothes were ripped off at impact.
I haven't seen a picture that proves they were holding hands.
However, if they were the only reasonable explanation is that they did that after the impact. :twocents:

 

[PrairieWind]

I agree. I wonder if maybe there were just two bodies floating in the water and they were touching each other and it just appeared as if they were holding hands.

 

[emirates1957]

It appears as if my wondering if there was an inflight break up was totally wrong. It actually appears as if they had cocntrol of some sort for some peroid of time. THey have the capaccity to glide for some distance (miles), but in order to be able to do that they had to have control of a disable aircraft.

The debris feild being relative together also indicates a reasonal impact wiht surface. All this bodes well that both recorders were in all liklihood recording until impact, which is great. I think we may be back to AF scenario with ice playing a big role in the planes performance

Yep I'm going with you on this one. The aircraft did not break at altitude - I'm guessing he flew this aircraft as best they possibly could until impact. If the Capt was in the airforce as a fighter pilot you could bet your bottom dollar he would be at the top of his game.

 

[MsFacetious]

My concern is that we will find out some were alive in the water.
That we will discover a constant GPS ping from the plane would have saved some lives.
I hope there was no chance of saving them... that will just make it worse. :twocents:

 

[Hatfield]

If they were holding hands they certainly wouldn't have remained that way while their clothes were ripped off at impact.
I haven't seen a picture that proves they were holding hands.
However, if they were the only reasonable explanation is that they did that after the impact. :twocents:

I think it is very possible. Because sections of the seats stay together in a lot of the plane accident scenes i have viewed on internet. Also, there was a really good documentary just last night on the Weather Channel that I think was titled "why planes crash" and they showed rows of seats on the ground all together. So this witness may have seen a section of the plane floating that still had seats together OR just the seats themselves all attached.

It is not uncommon for people to clench their hands together really tight and die that way. There was another handgun death incident where same thing happened.

So this does not surprise me at all.

What will be interesting is if the autopsy shows any water in the lungs of anybody. That would indicate some were still alive while in the water and that would be tragic if they could have been rescued. It doesnt happen very often but a few examples of people surviving a drop from way way up. We had links the other day for 2 people that survived such a drop.

 

[MsFacetious]

We haven't heard any reports of bodies in seats though.
So far none have been in their seats.
If they stayed in their seats (which has happened before) it wouldn't surprise me.
If they were not in their seats AND holding hands? That would surprise me. :twocents:

 

[Hatfield]

Yep I'm going with you on this one. The aircraft did not break at altitude - I'm guessing he flew this aircraft as best they possibly could until impact. If the Capt was in the airforce as a fighter pilot you could bet your bottom dollar he would be at the top of his game.

Yes, I have to agree with you on this. We all want to think things go quick for people in this situation and lets hope it did, however, from that altitude there is also a chance they were well aware of what was happening. Attached is an example of what bad turbulance reaction of people on a plane.

Warning: Dont watch these types of videos if you dont want to. It has a tendency to make us more afraid to fly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c73O_XE4sbA

 

[PrairieWind]

My concern is that we will find out some were alive in the water.
That we will discover a constant GPS ping from the plane would have saved some lives.
I hope there was no chance of saving them... that will just make it worse. :twocents:

I think it would be extremely unlikely any passenger survived the impact, let alone remained conscious. The force of impact, even if the pilot had some control, would have been staggering. If this plane dropped out of the sky somewhat like AF 447, that plane is still hitting the water a 100+ mph. Imagine being in a car and hitting a wall at that speed.

 

[Hatfield]

We haven't heard any reports of bodies in seats though.
So far none have been in their seats.
If they stayed in their seats (which has happened before) it wouldn't surprise me.
If they were not in their seats AND holding hands? That would surprise me. :twocents:

I totally agree as it would indicate that they made it into the water together and were hanging on for rescue while in the water, which is unlikely. The autopsies will tell the story if anybody had water in lungs.

 

[MsFacetious]

I just hope they all died quickly... before the impact.
No hope of rescue or being saved.
It would only add to the torture if this plane ditched successfully...
Then they ended up drowning, shark victims or succumbing to their injuries.
So I just hope they all died before they hit the water. :twocents:

 

[SouthAussie]

The first sign of the jet turned up about 16 kilometres from its last known co-ordinates. Parts of the interior, including the oxygen tank, were brought to the nearest town, Pangkalan Bun.

Around 125 family members on Wednesday will travel to Pangkalan Bun to identify loved ones. Dozens of military divers will join the search, ahead of approaching rough weather.

The plane's cockpit voice and flight data recorders, or black boxes, have yet to be recovered.

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2014/12/31/09/06/searchers-find-wreckage-bodies-from-jet

 

[SouthAussie]

"We will focus on recovery of passengers and crew members," Mr Joko said, adding that bad weather conditions are hampering the search operations at the moment.

http://www.straitstimes.com/news/as...ecovery-victims-our-top-priority-says-preside


"It wasn't a controlled ditching," said Paul Hayes, safety director at London-based aviation consulting company Ascend Worldwide. "That's clear from the finding of bodies that don't have life jackets on."

The black boxes ...... So far, no pings have been detected, Indonesia's Air Force said.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/64564587/airasia-qz8501-search-shifts-to-black-boxes