Ron C. #7

[Busylady]

This is what keeps bringing me back each day to these threads

YouTube - Missing: Haleigh Cummings

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Awwww, Busy...Thanks for posting the video of her. She is such a happy, bubbly little girl in every single photo. You can see what a beautiful spirit she has and how she shines. Haleigh, you need to come home. No one will give up searching until you are surrounded by people who love you again.

 

[Dr. Know?]

I'm thinking the facts aren't being re-posted because they have already been posted numerous times in the past and dissected and discussed ad nauseum (not just this fact but most that are questioned in here).
If some would just take the time to read the past threads in order, you will find all of the facts in this case and the discussions that go with them. It may help to see how some posters here formed their opinions, in the beginning with the facts before the rumors started getting hot and heavy lol.
JMO of course, and happy sleuthing to everyone

To keep on topic: I would like to Ron C speaking to the press on his behalf, hopefully that will happen now that the attorneys are out of the picture. HaLeigh's name needs to stay out in the media, if she is to be found, IMO..

Read them all Shelby77. What's posted in here is not all that's out there that are factual. It's a debate sort of and links are welcomed. Most of the hashing it out was in the "rumor" thread. I'm seeing an intelligent, fact driven debate coming. No more of the tit for tat stuff seems to be the feel. Facts only.

RC should have spoke up today. Maybe tomorrow.

 

[Emeralgem]

Read them all Shelby77. What's posted in here is not all that's out there that are factual. It's a debate sort of and links are welcomed. Most of the hashing it out was in the "rumor" thread. I'm seeing an intelligent, fact driven debate coming. No more of the tit for tat stuff seems to be the feel. Facts only.

RC should have spoke up today. Maybe tomorrow.

Yes, that would be a good thing, and could lead LE closer to finding out what really happened to Haleigh, however I am not going to hold my breath.

 

[texasmommy39]

Morning all,
I also have been wondering about all the comments that these three families have made since day one that have redirected the focus from Haleigh to encourage and establish bias public opinion of all the key players. IMO many things stated, all though fact, are not relevant to Haleighs abduction and many are outright rumors (lies). The fact that CS credibility has been in question is due to her false statements in the past about a previous coworker to the police and her unfounded aligations against Ron in the past custody hearings. Ron's credibility has been challeged by DCF and LE since this began and I have yet to hear they have ruled that he is uncrediable and is directly involved with Haleighs abduction. My understanding is DCF found statements that where presented to them by CS attorney accussing Ron of child abuse where false. LE has heard all the aligations and rumors against Ron and to date they have stated they are satisfied.

 

[lonetraveler]

Can't say with verified fact who found the gun, Shaymus. It is between an agency and an individual...take your pick....no facts found yet though.

The only thing we know is the cousin was interviewed....but that may have been because of the visit or the gun/fight or both.

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Could also that he was singled out as a potential person of interest from information that was given to LE.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

[Appearing on the "Today" show Saturday morning, Clint Van Zandt said track one is taking investigators outside of the house and looking into whether a stranger took Haleigh. But Van Zandt said track two is keeping authorities inside the house.

"One family member said a fight had taken place between Ron, the biological father, and Joe, the cousin, where Ron says, 'No, that didn't take place,'" Van Zandt said. "Evidently a gun disappeared from the house and it was found in a ditch later."]

snipped from the Today Show transcripts. Here's a quote I found interesting, too:


GERALDO RIVERA : You believe she’s alive then?

RONALD CUMMINGS : I’m always gonna believe that my daughter’s alive until they find her.

bbm - Is it just me, or was that an odd way to word that?

 

[mysticrose]

I'm not certain of this but I believe LE found the gun in a ditch and it seems like it was around Misty's parents property . I know I have read this in a report somewhere. Let me see if I can go find it..

 

[mysticrose]

Hang on guys I'll find it heres another little clip:


SATSUMA, FL -- Family members of Ronald Cummings say he got into a fight with another man over a gun one day before his daughter disappeared.

A relative told First Coast News Cummings accused the other man of stealing a gun. The relative could not remember the name of the man or where the fight happened.

The relative said the man disappeared the next day and the gun was found in a ditch


http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131661&catid=3

 

[cajun]

I'm not certain of this but I believe LE found the gun in a ditch and it seems like it was around Misty's parents property . I know I have read this in a report somewhere. Let me see if I can go find it..

LE got Ronald's gun the night Haleigh went missing and returned it several weeks later.

 

[shalea]

So, Whisperer, I'm going to think more about the gun/argument/fight and who is telling the truth about it. I forgot about Misty - why would she lie about it ? Good to have something to think about while tilling tomorrow ! Thanks for your diligence and research - it's fun sleuthing with you.

Did this alleged "fight" happen that day or another day entirely.

Does anyone remember the details?

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

Did this alleged "fight" happen that day or another day entirely.

Does anyone remember the details?

Several versions as to the day and details. If you're looking into it, I hope you'll post what you find and pull together.

 

[lonetraveler]

Said I would go look about the gun - because I wasnt sure if he said there was no gun or there was no fight over a gun

Ronald Cummings denies that fight ever happened.

"There was no fight with no cousin over a gun," said Ronald Cummings.

http://www.cbs12.com/news/haleigh-4714751-cummings-cousin.html

If there was no physical confrontation over the gun then I do not see this as anyone lying. I will continue to look to see if there is additional info where it is stated by RC that there was no gun.

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So I guess if you say that Ron denies that the fight ever happened, we should just pack our suitcases, do a high five and go back home. Case closed. Misty, her father, her mother, Ron's mother state that there was a confrontation over the gun and that it was stolen from Ron, after the confrontation the gun was supposedly found in a ditch. I guess the Croslins and his mother failed to check with Ron on the correct tale prior to making the statements. OK.
Here is one of many links covering the report of the fight about a gun. There are also reports of Misty and Teresa but as mentioned above, all of this has been brought to light. It all comes down to if you believe everything that Ron states or you take his words into account just as you do with everyone's statements. Flip a coin. True or False?

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/news-article.aspx?storyid=131661

 

[stilettos]

The mods have asked that we not "bicker" over things so I am respecting their wishes. :angel: I consider those issues as already having been discussed and explained. :hand:

Can you send me to a link where Ronald Cummings "explains" his inconsistancies?

 

[lonetraveler]

The word "confrontation" was my word. If you don't mind I perfer to have my own opinion, you can keep yours if you would like. The story about the fight and the gun can possibly be very relevant to this case. The finger was pointed at the cousin very early by Misty, Ron's mother as well as Misty's father and mother. This story provided a basis for LE to contact this cousin and also to take the tip of a Haleigh sighting very seriously. Could definitely be a red herring but who knows. Ron also stated "no gun, no fight". He obviously isn't on the same page as the others. I glad that you have closed this chapter and can now go on with your other avenues. However, there are some of us who feel that there could be a lot to this story that hasn't been told and its the untold parts that could be a very valuable clue. I have not closed the door on any possibilities and will not until LE states what or who has been investigated and cleared. Maybe packing a bag is what needs to be done so that "doubting Thomases" will not mock and hinder someone's sleuthing. I feel that all posters here should feel free to offer their opinons or thoughts on this case.

 

[mysticrose]

It seems to be taking me a little longer to find the link about the gun and where it was found. Trying to get ready to go to our mountain cabin for a few days. Let me tell you packin up for three kids is not easy..lol. I'll keep looking because I know its there somewhere bear with me...

 

[mysticrose]

I wonder if that is why Ron's hand was all tore up was because of this fight? I think AH had some article about Ron's hand...

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

The word "confrontation" was my word. If you don't mind I perfer to have my own opinion, you can keep yours if you would like. The story about the fight and the gun can possibly be very relevant to this case. The finger was pointed at the cousin very early by Misty, Ron's mother as well as Misty's father and mother. This story provided a basis for LE to contact this cousin and also to take the tip of a Haleigh sighting very seriously. Could definitely be a red herring but who knows. Ron also stated "no gun, no fight". He obviously isn't on the same page as the others. I glad that you have closed this chapter and can now go on with your other avenues. However, there are some of us who feel that there could be a lot to this story that hasn't been told and its the untold parts that could be a very valuable clue. I have not closed the door on any possibilities and will not until LE states what or who has been investigated and cleared. Maybe packing a bag is what needs to be done so that "doubting Thomases" will not mock and hinder someone's sleuthing. I feel that all posters here should feel free to offer their opinons or thoughts on this case.

ita, lone.

LOL - I was waiting for the word mincing (argument vs fight vs physical fight, yada, yada, yada) to start. Anything to avoid actually discussing the actual discrepancies.

But, moving back on topic, to me the key issues about the gun/argument/fight/etc are:

1. Why are the stories different ?
2. Who would have a motive to lie ?
3. Was the gun/argument/fight a contributing factor in Haleigh's disappearance ?

 

[lonetraveler]

ita, lone.

LOL - I was waiting for the word mincing (argument vs fight vs physical fight, yada, yada, yada) to start. Anything to avoid actually discussing the actual discrepancies.

But, moving back on topic, to me the key issues about the gun/argument/fight/etc are:

1. Why are the stories different ?
2. Who would have a motive to lie ?
3. Was the gun/argument/fight a contributing factor in Haleigh's disappearance ?

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I'm not sure if this should be in the Theories thread but still involves Ron in some way IMO.
1. The story could very well be a red herring to lead LE in another direction away from Ron.
2. Misty could also be trying to throw suspicion away from herself. Explains why her parents told their version of the story.
3. LE investigated the story in case it is true and Haleigh was taken in retaliation.
4. The Haleigh sighting was in TN and the cousin lives in TN.

 

[Whisperer]

Thanks Cajun!

So, if LE had the gun, then they took it for a reason:

1. They may have took it due to RC's behavior and threats.
2. They located the gun that night outside the MH

Could be both reasons but a wise move was to remove it from RC's possession either way.

So if LE found the gun in the home, there is no motive for TN or M to explain or even talk about a fight with a cousin/gun.

But if LE located the gun outside of the home, there is very good reason for them to give an explanation of why it was located where it was found.