Ronald Cummings and Misty Croslin named POI *report updated and comment removed*

[Whisperer]

If she remembers placing a necklace on her, she certainly should remember why and who was there....

 

[krkrjx]

I can't recall but I heard her talk about it. Didn't she also say (at one time) that she placed haleigh's necklace on her before she left the house?

I heard Misty mention "a dream" too, but like you I don't recall where she said it. I never heard about Haleigh's necklace from Misty but I have questioned before if Haleigh's necklace was missing. I suspected that if LE ever asked the family for it they would just go out and purchase a replacement to turn over to LE--if the necklace being missing would point to something specific.

JMO of course.

 

[lonetraveler]

Any idea who wrote those comments? This LVA was sure snipped and clipped. What I wouldn't do for the whole test

Are you saying that people were watching the test as she spoke? Can one be sure they are seeing it correctly? It reads "deception" noted to that question. I would think the printuot came directly from the machine. I imagine the notes are what a poster inserted.

I just googled Misty Croslin's LVA an the very first video has a partial view of the top screen of the computer as the questions are being asked and she answers. You can see "True" pop up when she states that she answers the question: "Do you know anything on Haleigh going missing?".

 

[lonetraveler]

:waitasec: What's strange about this is I swear I recall her having low imagination levels and now this report says high. I better take another look..

Read the results on the link I just gave you and it shows Extreme on imagination levels on the final report.

 

[krkrjx]

Read the results on the link I just gave you and it shows Extreme on imagination levels on the final report.

I can believe that. Children have high imagination levels, and Misty's mind is childlike.

 

[Flossie JMO]

I don't trust this test. Misty was lying, so what else is new? Dang it, did they catch her lying about being the perp? She sat down willingly for that test...some hard hitting questions would've been nice. Who cares what she lied about cooking for breakfast or what movie she lied about putting in the VCR. Where's Haleigh's body? Of course she's going to point at outside perps...she's a liar, but good grief, why waste questions on who she was trying to blame? She did supposedly show deception on Ron being involved, but call me stupid, because I believed her when she said she didn't know why she showed that deception. I wish the interviewer had said if she was showing deception on THAT answer. Did she know why she was suspecting Ron? If Ron was covering for her, would that make her deceptive where Ron was concerned? I think so, but does Misty's mind work like that? MOO

Jmo the machine is garbage. I don't believe any "results", I think if one googles it, some info can be found. Not on my computer so I can't do links right now

 

[LCoastMom]

Yep, but AH is always getting his "tense" mixed up. Lisa and Hank have lived with Tommy since Hank was discharged from the hospital and Lisa stayed almost around the clock with Hank at the hospital until he was discharged. I think AH was talking about Tommy's house because since the beginning of this case, that is the only house where they have lived. I think that Tommy had to wait until Lindsey returned home from her classes that night so that he could walk over to check on Misty. I do however think that Misty was sleeping over at her parent's house. I think that Lindsey may have dropped her off there on her way to school that evening.

I'm confused - if Lisa and Hank were at Tommy's house, what house was Misty supposedly sleeping in? I recall they had their own place early in this investigation - they lost it and moved into a 1 room boarding house / apartment after Misty was arrested.

I dont think Misty was there either!

I think the 2 little ones were left home all alone. Ron left them there alone and went to work figuring Misty was going to be there to watch them. he was calling her all night remember? so he calls Tommy tommy goes over and no one there.

I think Misty staggered home just before Ron did and they both fond Haleigh gone and staged the entire thing.

What if Haleigh walked out of the house all by herself?

Wasn't Misty and her bro at the house with his two kids, Jr & Haleigh before dinner? The kids were outside playing with neighborhood kids. IIRC around the time the AC guy was there. (Service / repair people need to have someone over the age of 18 at a residence when they make a house call.)

LE has played "word games" throughout this case. If you want to consider what Lt. Greenwood has said then it would be good to look at everything he commented on. He told us the call came in at 2:13. He believed TN was there that night. There are many more statements also that were different from what we were told.

Is this the rumored first call to LE? The one we haven't heard? Something was up before Ron arrived at 330ish - If Misty placed the 2:13 call then everything she said during the the 3:27 call is proved a lie. So, why no arrest for lying to LE, making a false report, hindering an investigation?

LE could have let her think she was going down for Haleigh's disappearance - maybe that would have loosened some lips 24 months ago or they could have told her the first one to make a deal wouldn't face the DP or Life w/o parole.

It says a lot that those who are POI's in this case all seem to think the 15 & 25 year sentences are a "good deal" - :maddening:

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Ok, this discussion of Dissociative Disorders is letting me know that I have forgotten a lot of what I learned, and also I am getting old. LOL
I have now opened my DSM-IV, and I am forcing myself to re-learn.
My book was published in 2000, and I don't have any idea if one was published since then. It is the DSM=IV_TR (Text revision)
According to this there are 4 main Dissociative Disorders:
1. Disassociative Amnesia
2. Dissociative Frugue
3. Dissociative Idenity Disorder (has been called split personality)
4. Dipersonalization Disorder
A 5th is Disociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified, which means it would not fit in the others.

Dis. Amnesia, characterized by an inability to recall important personal information, usually of a traumatic or stressful nature, that is too extensive to be explained by ordinary forgetfulness.
Dis. Fugue, characterized by sudden unexpected travel away from home, or one's customary place of work, accompanied by an inability to recall one's past, and confusion about personal identity or the asumption of a new idenity.
Dis.Identy D/O...split personality 2 or more distinct identities.
Dipersonalization D/O, characterized by a persistent or recurring feeling of being detached from one's mental processes that is accompanied by intact reality testing.
This sounds more like Misty IMO, but of course it states what her feeling would be, and we don't really know if this is actually how she feels.

Now I must lie down....I had forgotten most of that. Maybe I'm dissociated myself. LOL

 

[Whisperer]

Read the results on the link I just gave you and it shows Extreme on imagination levels on the final report.

thanks, LT.

Sure does. High imagination. Extreme is not good. With her thinking being abnormal and her imagination high, it's possilbe there could be psychosis.

No telling what is going on in misty's mind...ever. It is easy to see why she is the one wearing a target on her back.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Would like to add that a person using drugs or abusing alcohol can not be accurately diagnosed properly until they have gone through an adequate period of detoxification. The drugs or alcohol acts differently on each person, and you have to get the effect of whatever the person is on out of the equation.

 

[LCoastMom]

BBM: I agree with this statement. I believe Misty has told LE about Ronald, and it fell on deaf ears. The big question is, WHY? If LE has been wanting Misty to talk, why would they not listen intently when she does? But, maybe they do listen, and do believe, but lack evidence to prove anything against him.

If LE believes she did nothing but lie about Haleigh's disappearance (starting at the 911 call) and she knows she is being seen as a POI - they could easily assume everything she had to say about Ron is also going to be a lie - similar to KC Anthony.

Whisperer...how plausible do you think this is?

...Misty dissociated, was in a fugue state and remembers nothing that happened during the fugue. Something happened to Haleigh, Misty was right in the middle of it but has absolutely no conscious memory of it. But...subconsciously is a different animal! And maybe the subconscious was picked up on during LVA and hypnosis??

IDK...just throwing it out there...

Interesting since it has long been rumored that Misty was sexually abused by Tommy when she was young and SA is thought to make some young children "fragment" or disassociate as a means to survive the abuse. If this rumor is true and Misty actually heard Haleigh being attacked - then it could have easily caused her to slip back into that safe place in her mind. But if this is the case - the LVA or poly should not have found her answers to be deceptive, she would not have been lying when she said she didn't know what happened.

Then we have that troubling story about Misty hiding under the sheet with Jr, while listening to Haleigh being assaulted - the person she named as the assailant was not a stranger, he is her cousin. Why would she hide with Jr instead of standing up to Haleigh's attacker(s) or why not use the cell phone to call 911 right that very second - to try and save this little girl who Misty said she loved like she was her own daughter - just makes no sense to me....

 

[Nonni Brenda]

It is my understanding that LE cut the piece of carpet from the van and took it for testing.

Of course, like everything else they must keep this close to the vest..:maddening:

Whisp, how soon after that carpet was cut out for testing didi LE anounce this to be a murder investigation? You're right, they would have know almost immediately if it was human. If it was human, I wonder why it took them so long to determine Haleigh is dead. Couldn't they have Haleigh's dna from her parents?

 

[Whisperer]

Misty used the pronoun "they" when referring to Haleigh being taken. Her demeaner changed a little when she said she covered her with a sheet. She also did something similar to that when she spoke of the light in the kitchen. It was a little quirk and hesitance on the sheet dialogue and a curling of her lip when she mentions light in the kitchen.

Once misty turned 18, LE was waiting w/bated breath to interrogate her; however, she had an attorney and he prevented it.

Seems to me that every case that has a defense attorney hired before the crime is solved, doesn't go anywhere...w/o a body.

 

[Whisperer]

Whisp, how soon after that carpet was cut out for testing didi LE anounce this to be a murder investigation? You're right, they would have know almost immediately if it was human. If it was human, I wonder why it took them so long to determine Haleigh is dead. Couldn't they have Haleigh's dna from her parents?

They took the van around the 12th of Feb, I think, and returned it the middle of March.

They took the DNA from ron and Crystal around the time of the search of the dumpsters...which I think was about two weeks into it..but I am guessing.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

It appears that there were at least 328 results of that test OMG! we got just a few. There is enough there for a psycholgist to evaluate. At this point they should have had the FBI question her. They are experienced in questioning and this kind of personlity.

The reason I think we only got a few of the results is because there were a lot of questions about possible people who took Haleigh. I think the neighbors knew the "leave the kids home routine" and one of them came in and took her and I bet there were a bunch of questions about those neighbors.

 

[dodie20]

Dodie, I think the test does show her as the perp. I wish they would have given it to ron. bet they offered. That was never going to happen.

Come think of it, misty did talk about it at times like she dreamed there were four people there. Maybe they should explore the dream aspect with her. Instead of hitting her up with reality, come from a different perspective. These interview seemed straight up..

I've been thinking about what kind of person would accidentally or semi accidentally kill a child, and then decide to dispose of the body and stage a kidnapping. There's an awful big leap between accident and and a psychotic cover-up. I almost have to believe this was no accident. If Misty's the perp, I can see her coming to a delusional decision, but how did she convince others to share in her delusion? What convinced all these people, that disposing of Haleigh was a good idea? I really would like to know what Misty and her mom talked about that night.moo,

 

[Eileen730]

I can believe that. Children have high imagination levels, and Misty's mind is childlike.

She is a child!

 

[Eileen730]

I've been thinking about what kind of person would accidentally or semi accidentally kill a child, and then decide to dispose of the body and stage a kidnapping. There's an awful big leap between accident and and a psychotic cover-up. I almost have to believe this was no accident. If Misty's the perp, I can see her coming to a delusional decision, but how did she convince others to share in her delusion? What convinced all these people, that disposing of Haleigh was a good idea? I really would like to know what Misty and her mom talked about that night.moo,

I dont think Misty did it!
I think LE knows that and is waiting for her to crack. they might have to wait for a long time.

I think Ron knows very well what happened.

 

[Emeralgem]

I've been thinking about what kind of person would accidentally or semi accidentally kill a child, and then decide to dispose of the body and stage a kidnapping. There's an awful big leap between accident and and a psychotic cover-up. I almost have to believe this was no accident. If Misty's the perp, I can see her coming to a delusional decision, but how did she convince others to share in her delusion? What convinced all these people, that disposing of Haleigh was a good idea? I really would like to know what Misty and her mom talked about that night.moo,

IMO. Misty is not the perp.. None of the Croslins are the perps eventhough it is quite possible some of them may have helped out that afternoon/evening.
And Misty was not the mastermind that afternoon/evening tryng to convince the others to share in any of her delusions either..
This whole FIASCO concerning a coverup and what to do with Haleigh's remains was produced and directed by Ron C and his family members.. Ron C, his mother and his family's names are written all over it.
Misty and the Croslins didn't even have sense enough to know they were being set up to take the fall when the time was right..JMHO

 

[Eileen730]

IMO. Misty is not the perp.. None of the Croslins are the perps eventhough it is quite possible some of them may have helped out that afternoon/evening.
And Misty was not the mastermind that afternoon/evening tryng to convince the others to share in any of her delusions either..
This whole FIASCO concerning a coverup and what to do with Haleigh's remains was produced and directed by Ron C and his family members.. Ron C, his mother and his family's names are written all over it.
Misty and the Croslins didn't even have sense enough to know they were being set up to take the fall when the time was right..JMHO

I agree!

I was just reading over the 911 call and its very sad they didnt even know Haleighs birth date , her height and weight and they stammered on the color of her hair...

There are a few web pages where the 911 call is analyzed and its very interesting.