Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #13

[LibraStarr]

No leader in the world has tried to negotiate a peace agreement, until Trump took office. Now the US is the bad guy, because we are trying to force a peace agreement. I know many people just like Trump, I see and read the pure hate in black and white. But I am 100% convinced, there will be a peace deal in Ukraine. Everyone will not be happy, everyone will not get what they want, but the war will end.

That statement is completely false. Multiple world leaders and organizations have attempted peace negotiations since Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022. Here are some key examples:

• Istanbul Communiqué (March 2022): Ukraine and Russia held negotiations in Turkey, mediated by Turkish officials, to discuss a potential ceasefire and Ukraine’s security status. These talks ultimately collapsed, partly due to Russian demands and Ukraine’s refusal to accept terms that would compromise its sovereignty.

• African Peace Mission (June 2023): Leaders from South Africa, Egypt, and other African nations attempted to mediate peace talks between Russia and Ukraine, but no breakthrough was reached.

• Pope Francis & The Vatican: The Vatican has repeatedly offered to mediate peace discussions, but no agreement was reached due to Russia’s continued aggression and Ukraine’s rejection of deals that would reward occupation.

• China’s 12-Point Peace Plan (February 2023): China proposed a peace plan, though it was widely seen as favoring Russia and was not accepted by Ukraine or Western allies.

• G7 & European Efforts: Various European leaders, including France’s Macron and Germany’s Scholz, have engaged in diplomacy with both sides in an attempt to find a resolution.

The idea that Trump is the first or only leader to attempt a peace negotiation is pure misinformation. Also, “forcing” a peace deal—especially one that benefits the aggressor—does not mean securing a just or lasting peace. IMO

 

[HmmMysterious]

Zelensky made the decision to continue the war. The US did not, he was informed he would lose full support if he did not seek a peace agreement. Zelensky does not appear to be concerned about ending the war and bringing the prisoners and the children home. He's running around Europe trying to raise money for weapons about to continue the war. He should be sitting down at a negotiation table trying to get his children and prisoner's back.

No leader in the world has tried to negotiate a peace agreement, until Trump took office. Now the US is the bad guy, because we are trying to force a peace agreement. I know many people just like Trump, I see and read the pure hate in black and white. But I am 100% convinced, there will be a peace deal in Ukraine. Everyone will not be happy, everyone will not get what they want, but the war will end. And many will continue to hate Trump.
I'm sure he would gladly relinquish peace negotiations, if someone will step up to the plate and accept the challenge.

Yes. I want every one of those little children back. I want every prisoner that's being held and tortured by Russia back. But we have to be cordial to Russia to get them to the table to at least talk about an agreement. This is the first effort made by anybody. And the world wants to throw shade at the US. I'm past caring what people think of the United States. All I care about is ending the war, saving souls, trying to get hostages, children and prisoners returned.

A resolution is only worth the paper is written on. It has no legal authority. The UN is notorious for issuing resolutions. The UN has no authority, no international police force, to take any action on any resolution they're right. It's worthless paper. Do you think Russia cares what a bunch of US senators right on a piece of paper? NO
Trump's trying to keep a bridge open, to negotiate. It's a shame some Senators don't have a understanding, skill set or conception about how negotiations work. So many of our elected Congressional Representatives have never worked in the business world. They have no concept how quickly decisions are made, negotiation strategies and techniques, or how to bring a problem to resolution. They do know how to say what the people want to hear to be elected.

MO

Of course Zelenskyy has to continue the war, otherwise Russia will force Ukraine to surrender. And I bet the Russians will be completely happy with the agreement Trump comes up with- total takeover of Ukraine.

 

[Marantz4250b]

The problem with that of course is what if Vance wins the next election? Or maybe a Democrat does win but we simply get another MAGA republican President again with 4 or 8 years.

Makes allies really have to view them as completely unreliable from now on.

Or if there even is a next election?

 

[Stella123]

We are a great nation.

I think you "were" a great nation. The people still are a great nation. But the US government can no longer be considered great. They have shamed US history IMO JMO

 

[Sundog]

I think you "were" a great nation. The people still are a great nation. But the US government can no longer be considered great. They have shamed US history IMO JMO

We can still be a great nation even if we are ashamed of our leaders. That's what the electorate thought about Biden and his ilk.

 

[Stella123]

Agree - that's why I said the people are still a great nation But the people need to be putting pressure on the Government now to show they don't agree with what Trump is doing. JMO MOO

Ukraine was a great nation until they were invaded by an aggressor. Small but still great.

 

[SouthAussie]

Where is the article to support the claim that equipment currently in Poland can't cross the border?

I did read a recent article saying that the US ceasing all aid included weapons already paid for and in transit. Presuming that the US hand-delivers the weapons and that is how delivery can be stopped?

imo

 

[Simply Southern]

Of course Zelenskyy has to continue the war, otherwise Russia will force Ukraine to surrender. And I bet the Russians will be completely happy with the agreement Trump comes up with- total takeover of Ukraine.

Ukraine doesn't have a lot of bargaining power. He has a lot less since the incident in the White House Oval office. European countries are struggling to provide financial and security support. There have been two highly publicized meetings with little results. Russia now realizes, Ukraine doesn't have the support from the European countries nor the United States. Zelensky should have come to the negotiating table before he exposed his vulnerabilities and weaknesses with his allies. Russia has a much more powerful army, nuclear weapons, it doesn't mind sending so I'm just into the meat grinder. He has no heart.

He certainly doesn't have to take any deal. He can continue to fight.

Everyone said ready to throw Trump under the bus, thinking he will not advocate for Ukraine. We have a economic mineral agreement, Trump's going to fight tooth and nail. Trump loves a good deal and he loves making money. US companies being able to lease the mineral rights from Ukraine, will allow the US to enter the tech manufacturing market. He will drive a hard bargain on Ukraine's behalf. I think we would all agree both sides will need to make concessions. We have to be realistic.
Moo...

 

[Simply Southern]

Agree - that's why I said the people are still a great nation But the people need to be putting pressure on the Government now to show they don't agree with what Trump is doing. JMO MOO

Ukraine was a great nation until they were invaded by an aggressor. Small but still great.

We do agree with what Trump is doing. He won the election. The American people chose him, not all but the majority. CBS reported a 70+ approval rating, after his speech to Congress. Most Americans want the war to end. They want the children returned. They want the prisoners and the hostages release.
Ukraine has an opportunity to be a great nation again. To have economic wealth, to be able to rebuild schools, infrastructure, restart the agriculture industry, the gas industry. It will take years to rebuild. The war has to end first.

The war will end. Hopefully, sooner rather than later. But it will end.
Moo

 

[Simply Southern]

I think you "were" a great nation. The people still are a great nation. But the US government can no longer be considered great. They have shamed US history IMO JMO

My opinion only ... This little blip with Ukraine won't even make it into the history books.

We are a world leader. A world power. That's in the history books.
Moo...

 

[Simply Southern]

I did read a recent article saying that the US ceasing all aid included weapons already paid for and in transit. Presuming that the US hand-delivers the weapons and that is how delivery can be stopped?

imo

Yes, that is true. The supplies are housed in Poland for quick deployment. The ones in transit were not delivered to Poland. I think they're being transported by US military cargo planes.

 

[SouthAussie]

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I read comments by a retired senior Chinese colonel a few days ago. He said that China will likely be there for Ukraine for any peace-keeping or armistice.


“China is definitely indispensable … China’s role will be there when it comes to the time of a ceasefire or armistice.”

Zhou said China might decide to send peacekeepers to Ukraine, along with other non-Nato European countries and countries from the global south, as peacekeepers from Nato countries would be viewed by Russia as “wolves in sheep’s clothing”. China is the second-largest contributor to the UN’s peacekeeping budget, after the US.

‘America is going down’: China can capitalise on damage caused by Trump, former PLA colonel says

Exclusive: Zhou Bo says harm done to US image may make Taiwanese reconsider their attitude towards Beijing but says he sees Trump as overall being ‘rather friendly’

www.theguardian.com

 

[statt#1]

The warmongering from France is simply not productive. To ignore Russian interests in this war, which Biden and company have done for years, has brought us to where we are. Trump simply isn't moving forward with that approach. The warhawks, if they wish to throw more meat to the grinder, flush a few billion more down the drain, will seemingly have to do so without U.S. taxpayer dollars.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/kremlin-slams-macron-over-russia-threat-remarks-medvedev-mocks-him-as-micron-101741255356384.html

 

[SouthAussie]

(RSBM) ..... will seemingly have to do so without U.S. taxpayer dollars.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/kremlin-slams-macron-over-russia-threat-remarks-medvedev-mocks-him-as-micron-101741255356384.html

My own opinion .... the sooner the US gets out of the Ukraine "peace process", the better. Too much bitterness and division being created on a world scale. Better to keep that in the US and leave the rest of the world alone.

imo

 

[Simply Southern]

Peace deal still negotiations, next week Saudi Arabia

Senior Ukraine-US Officials Rumored to Hold Talks in Saudi Arabia Tuesday

It is unclear if Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky or his US counterpart, Donald Trump, will be attending the talks

www.kyivpost.com

Senior Ukrainian and US officials are reportedly meeting in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia on Tuesday.

The US delegation reportedly comprises Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Middle East Envoy Steve Witkoff, and National Security Advisor Michael Waltz.

The Ukrainian delegation reportedly included President Volodymyr Zelensky’s aide Andriy Yermak, Fox News’s White House Correspondent Jacqui Heinrich’s reported in an X update on Thursday.

The US delegation consists of the same officials who met with the Russian delegation led by Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and presidential aide Yuri Ushakov. That meeting also took place in Riyadh.

It is unclear if Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky or his US counterpart, Donald Trump, will be attending the talks.

 

[Marantz4250b]

I read comments by a retired senior Chinese colonel a few days ago. He said that China will likely be there for Ukraine for any peace-keeping or armistice.


“China is definitely indispensable … China’s role will be there when it comes to the time of a ceasefire or armistice.”

Zhou said China might decide to send peacekeepers to Ukraine, along with other non-Nato European countries and countries from the global south, as peacekeepers from Nato countries would be viewed by Russia as “wolves in sheep’s clothing”. China is the second-largest contributor to the UN’s peacekeeping budget, after the US.

‘America is going down’: China can capitalise on damage caused by Trump, former PLA colonel says

Exclusive: Zhou Bo says harm done to US image may make Taiwanese reconsider their attitude towards Beijing but says he sees Trump as overall being ‘rather friendly’

www.theguardian.com

Yep - nature abhors a vacuum.

The US steps back leaving lots of other regimes to fill the void.

Tis the way of the world.

 

[Simply Southern]

I read comments by a retired senior Chinese colonel a few days ago. He said that China will likely be there for Ukraine for any peace-keeping or armistice.


“China is definitely indispensable … China’s role will be there when it comes to the time of a ceasefire or armistice.”

Zhou said China might decide to send peacekeepers to Ukraine, along with other non-Nato European countries and countries from the global south, as peacekeepers from Nato countries would be viewed by Russia as “wolves in sheep’s clothing”. China is the second-largest contributor to the UN’s peacekeeping budget, after the US.

‘America is going down’: China can capitalise on damage caused by Trump, former PLA colonel says

Exclusive: Zhou Bo says harm done to US image may make Taiwanese reconsider their attitude towards Beijing but says he sees Trump as overall being ‘rather friendly’

www.theguardian.com

I just posted, the first meeting next week Saudi Arabia. Chinese delegation didn't get a seat at the table.

 

[Vern]

The idea Canada could invade the U.S. is pure delusion...and truth be told, this American is vehemently opposed to the liberals up there becoming a 51st state

Canada, I am certain has no desire to become a colonizing country.

Unlike the current US president who is threatening quite a few sovereign-democratic-former-allies with such via annexation.

 

[acutename]

Is the US the boss of the UK ?
I'm a bit confused.

mark my words- DJT told Europe that the US was not funding this and that they should "step up" - and they are doing that. so in a sense, he got his way- BUT I can pretty much guarantee that once they are doing everything, there will a fit about him not controlling everything.IMO

 

[Stella123]

Peace deal still negotiations, next week Saudi Arabia

Senior Ukraine-US Officials Rumored to Hold Talks in Saudi Arabia Tuesday

It is unclear if Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky or his US counterpart, Donald Trump, will be attending the talks

www.kyivpost.com

Senior Ukrainian and US officials are reportedly meeting in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia on Tuesday.

The US delegation reportedly comprises Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Middle East Envoy Steve Witkoff, and National Security Advisor Michael Waltz.

The Ukrainian delegation reportedly included President Volodymyr Zelensky’s aide Andriy Yermak, Fox News’s White House Correspondent Jacqui Heinrich’s reported in an X update on Thursday.

The US delegation consists of the same officials who met with the Russian delegation led by Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and presidential aide Yuri Ushakov. That meeting also took place in Riyadh.

It is unclear if Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky or his US counterpart, Donald Trump, will be attending the talks.

So that is three people in the US delegation and only one for the Ukrainian delegation? That doesn't sound very fair again! Yermak could do with some back up!

Also "rumored" sounds a bit vague ..........