Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #13

[BayouBelle_LA]

Agree - that's why I said the people are still a great nation But the people need to be putting pressure on the Government now to show they don't agree with what Trump is doing. JMO MOO

Ukraine was a great nation until they were invaded by an aggressor. Small but still great.

A lot of us do agree and support what President Trump is doing with Ukraine. We are not interested in footing the bill for an endless war. If there was a chance that the war could be won, maybe, but it’s not a winnable war. Think about all the people being drafted and forced to fight. They are going to soon run out of bodies to throw at the problem.

We can call Putin a murderous dictator and say he’s the one that started it and we’re not wrong. President Z is wrong when he expects those negotiating on his behalf to call Putin out. He’s done this with President Trump and also the Pope and I wouldn’t be surprised if there are others. How can anyone expect to sit at the negotiations table while calling Putin a murderous dictator.

There is NO other way. Ukraine doesn’t belong to NATO, that ship has sailed. NATO nations can’t put boots on the ground because that will be perceived as an act of aggression. Throw nuclear weapons into the mix and it’s more complicated.

How does anyone expect to win that war?

 

[Stella123]

The Kyiv Independent says similar although there seems to be disagreement about the date - either 11th or 12th March. It sounds like the mineral deal isn't part of it at the moment. JMO

"Ukrainian and U.S. delegations are set to discuss the framework for a potential peace agreement next week in Saudi Arabia, U.S. President Donald Trump's envoy for the Middle East, Steve Witkoff, told reporters on March 6.

"The idea is to get down a framework for a peace agreement and an initial ceasefire as well," Witkoff said outside the White House.

He added that discussions are ongoing to finalize the meeting's location, with Riyadh or Jeddah under consideration.

President Volodymyr Zelensky confirmed on March 6 at the European Council that Ukraine and the U.S. have resumed talks and preparing for a meeting.

"Ukraine is not only ready to take the necessary steps for peace, but we are also proposing what those steps are," he said.

Senior White House correspondent Jacqui Heinrich wrote on X that the meeting is scheduled for March 11, with Ukraine's delegation led by Zelensky's Chief of Staff, Andriy Yermak.

The U.S. delegation will reportedly include Secretary of State Marco Rubio, National Security Advisor Mike Waltz, and Witkoff.

According to Axios, the meeting will take place on March 12.

Earlier, on March 5, Yermak wrote on Telegram that he and Waltz had discussed "further steps toward a just and lasting peace. "
"The mineral deal remains stalled, with CBS News reporting on March 4 that Trump is seeking a "bigger, better deal."

Ukrainian, US delegations to discuss peace framework in Saudi Arabia, Witkoff says

"The idea is to get down a framework for a peace agreement and an initial ceasefire as well," U.S. President Donald Trump’s envoy for the Middle East, Steve Witkoff, said.

kyivindependent.com

 

[Simply Southern]

So that is three people in the US delegation and only one for the Ukrainian delegation? That doesn't sound very fair again! Yermak could do with some back up!

Also "rumored" sounds a bit vague ..........

I feel like there will be more. It's the first meeting. Nothing will be decided. I feel like they'll be a short period of time for each to consider the others offer. Then there will be a counter offer. (Kind of like buying a house, a little back and forth)

I am hopeful. Every life is worth saving, every prisoner, hostage and child needs to return home. I will never be able to imagine the terror they experienced.
Moo...

 

[leehull]

Thank you for reinforcing my point that the dollar value of aid to Ukraine can be spun many different ways by a variety of people for a variety of motivations.

Only one person doing all the spinning as far as I can see, nobody else even thought it worth talking about until plain untruths were being spoken

 

[Sundog]

Agree - that's why I said the people are still a great nation But the people need to be putting pressure on the Government now to show they don't agree with what Trump is doing. JMO MOO

Ukraine was a great nation until they were invaded by an aggressor. Small but still great.

President Trump is the reason why we are becoming a great nation again. He's only been in office for about six weeks. We, the people, are looking forward to all the things he will accomplish over the next four years.

 

[Simply Southern]

Dbm

 

[JennieM]

President Trump is the reason why we are becoming a great nation again. He's only been in office for about six weeks. We, the people, are looking forward to all the things he will accomplish over the next four years.

Good luck

 

[Simply Southern]

The Kyiv Independent says similar although there seems to be disagreement about the date - either 11th or 12th March. It sounds like the mineral deal isn't part of it at the moment. JMO

"Ukrainian and U.S. delegations are set to discuss the framework for a potential peace agreement next week in Saudi Arabia, U.S. President Donald Trump's envoy for the Middle East, Steve Witkoff, told reporters on March 6.

"The idea is to get down a framework for a peace agreement and an initial ceasefire as well," Witkoff said outside the White House.

He added that discussions are ongoing to finalize the meeting's location, with Riyadh or Jeddah under consideration.

President Volodymyr Zelensky confirmed on March 6 at the European Council that Ukraine and the U.S. have resumed talks and preparing for a meeting.

"Ukraine is not only ready to take the necessary steps for peace, but we are also proposing what those steps are," he said.

Senior White House correspondent Jacqui Heinrich wrote on X that the meeting is scheduled for March 11, with Ukraine's delegation led by Zelensky's Chief of Staff, Andriy Yermak.

The U.S. delegation will reportedly include Secretary of State Marco Rubio, National Security Advisor Mike Waltz, and Witkoff.

According to Axios, the meeting will take place on March 12.

Earlier, on March 5, Yermak wrote on Telegram that he and Waltz had discussed "further steps toward a just and lasting peace. "
"The mineral deal remains stalled, with CBS News reporting on March 4 that Trump is seeking a "bigger, better deal."

Ukrainian, US delegations to discuss peace framework in Saudi Arabia, Witkoff says

"The idea is to get down a framework for a peace agreement and an initial ceasefire as well," U.S. President Donald Trump’s envoy for the Middle East, Steve Witkoff, said.

kyivindependent.com

Steve Witkoff is a highly successful US businessman. He recently visited Russia and spoke with Putin for several hours to negotiate the release of a US citizen. The US citizen was a school teacher and he flew him back on his private jet. When he got off the plane, he dropped to his knees and kissed the ground. I couldn't help it I cried. They brought him straight to the White House and Trump met him at the car. It was in the middle of the big snow storm, so beautiful.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/11/politics/video/marc-fogel-trump-white-house-meeting-digvid

I want to see the Ukrainian prisoners and children return.

 

[acutename]

Zelensky made the decision to continue the war. The US did not, he was informed he would lose full support if he did not seek a peace agreement. Zelensky does not appear to be concerned about ending the war and bringing the prisoners and the children home. He's running around Europe trying to raise money for weapons about to continue the war. He should be sitting down at a negotiation table trying to get his children and prisoner's back.

No leader in the world has tried to negotiate a peace agreement, until Trump took office. Now the US is the bad guy, because we are trying to force a peace agreement. I know many people just like Trump, I see and read the pure hate in black and white. But I am 100% convinced, there will be a peace deal in Ukraine. Everyone will not be happy, everyone will not get what they want, but the war will end. And many will continue to hate Trump.
I'm sure he would gladly relinquish peace negotiations, if someone will step up to the plate and accept the challenge.

Yes. I want every one of those little children back. I want every prisoner that's being held and tortured by Russia back. But we have to be cordial to Russia to get them to the table to at least talk about an agreement. This is the first effort made by anybody. And the world wants to throw shade at the US. I'm past caring what people think of the United States. All I care about is ending the war, saving souls, trying to get hostages, children and prisoners returned.

A resolution is only worth the paper is written on. It has no legal authority. The UN is notorious for issuing resolutions. The UN has no authority, no international police force, to take any action on any resolution they're right. It's worthless paper. Do you think Russia cares what a bunch of US senators right on a piece of paper? NO
Trump's trying to keep a bridge open, to negotiate. It's a shame some Senators don't have a understanding, skill set or conception about how negotiations work. So many of our elected Congressional Representatives have never worked in the business world. They have no concept how quickly decisions are made, negotiation strategies and techniques, or how to bring a problem to resolution. They do know how to say what the people want to hear to be elected.

MO

Ukraine wants anti-missile weapons because Russia is still fighting ... every day

 

[JennieM]

Where is the article to support the claim that equipment currently in Poland can't cross the border?

​

US Arms Deliveries to Ukraine via Poland Have Stopped – PM Tusk Confirms​

Tusk has confirmed earlier reports saying that Washington had suspended all weapon deliveries to Ukraine, including those already in transit through the NATO hub in Poland.

US Arms Deliveries to Ukraine via Poland Have Stopped – PM Tusk Confirms

Tusk has confirmed earlier reports saying that Washington had suspended all weapon deliveries to Ukraine, including those already in transit through the NATO hub in Poland.

www.kyivpost.com

There are also other articles about this, but this is one.

 

[Rolypolyoly]

In this matter we are in agreement.

After all, Israel too is a democratic ally, surrounded by terrorists and authoritarian regimes, and which was atrociously victimized by Hamas.

I cannot say that Zelenskyy doesn’t care about hostages. After all, he is Jewish, too, but his first priority right now has to be his country.

What has happened to the Ukrainian children who were snatched away from their families and brought across the border to be raised as Russians?

IMO we need to be allies to our allies.

IMO

Zelenskyy has mentioned both, he has talked about the release of prisoners being part of any peace deal, and he tried to show Trump photos of the taken children, he later showed some in a tv interview, not all as I believe he said some were too distressing to be shown to the public. The photos are what some have been bleating about and using as an example of why they believe Zelenskyy was "disrespectful" amongst other things.

JMO unless I can find a link

 

[acutename]

I wonder if we can have Justin Trudeau move to the US and run for POTUS here in the next election? JK, but that would be great. If not, hoping Canada invades the US.

not a US citizen... if we are following a anything in the Constitution

 

[UK Girl]

My opinion only ... This little blip with Ukraine won't even make it into the history books.

We are a world leader. A world power. That's in the history books.
Moo...

Tbh I disagree. Europe is seeing it very differently for sure.

 

[UK Girl]

Zelensky made the decision to continue the war. The US did not, he was informed he would lose full support if he did not seek a peace agreement. Zelensky does not appear to be concerned about ending the war and bringing the prisoners and the children home. He's running around Europe trying to raise money for weapons about to continue the war. He should be sitting down at a negotiation table trying to get his children and prisoner's back.

No leader in the world has tried to negotiate a peace agreement, until Trump took office. Now the US is the bad guy, because we are trying to force a peace agreement. I know many people just like Trump, I see and read the pure hate in black and white. But I am 100% convinced, there will be a peace deal in Ukraine. Everyone will not be happy, everyone will not get what they want, but the war will end. And many will continue to hate Trump.
I'm sure he would gladly relinquish peace negotiations, if someone will step up to the plate and accept the challenge.

Yes. I want every one of those little children back. I want every prisoner that's being held and tortured by Russia back. But we have to be cordial to Russia to get them to the table to at least talk about an agreement. This is the first effort made by anybody. And the world wants to throw shade at the US. I'm past caring what people think of the United States. All I care about is ending the war, saving souls, trying to get hostages, children and prisoners returned.

A resolution is only worth the paper is written on. It has no legal authority. The UN is notorious for issuing resolutions. The UN has no authority, no international police force, to take any action on any resolution they're right. It's worthless paper. Do you think Russia cares what a bunch of US senators right on a piece of paper? NO
Trump's trying to keep a bridge open, to negotiate. It's a shame some Senators don't have a understanding, skill set or conception about how negotiations work. So many of our elected Congressional Representatives have never worked in the business world. They have no concept how quickly decisions are made, negotiation strategies and techniques, or how to bring a problem to resolution. They do know how to say what the people want to hear to be elected.

MO

Zelensky has not made the decision to continue the war that Russia illegally started in 2022.

 

[UK Girl]

And that is why the European countries need to step up. Ukraine is their neighbor. They are a border state. They should look to their neighbor to help them out.

The US has made a choice to be one of Israel's allies. Israel heavily invest in defense. They even invented the best anti-missile system in the entire world. They spend heavily on defense.

When I've see countries that don't spend on defense and rely on the US. I am resentful. I am heavily taxed in the US. When other countries don't spend on defense, I have to ask myself, why are we spending the US taxpayer dollar on them. The countries that don't care enough to protect their own citizens, then it's really not our responsibility. It's different if we volunteered to to help. And it really makes giving easier when people are thankful and show appreciation, like Israel. But to try to force the US to provide military support and then get mad when we don't. I agree I think we should cut off everything. It doesn't make any difference, they still dislike us. When say bad things about the US to the media, when they insult and disrespect my president, oh heck no I don't want to give them anything.

I'm past caring what anybody thinks about the US. We are a great nation. We are a world power. We do have our allies throughout the world. If you don't want to be our friend that's okay, don't expect us to finance your war.

Moo...

One thing - most European countries in Nato only get involved in wars when America wants to invade yet another country. We were happy to assist even if the war eventually turned out to be illegal. As a rule we do not get into wars. America does. Maybe in future we should charge America before going to help. Incidentally about Ukraine not being America's war. Actually due to the fact that Ukraine lost its wars due to the alliances promises it kinda is...

 

[Simply Southern]

Ukraine wants anti-missile weapons because Russia is still fighting ... every day

He was told, weeks ahead. Secretary of State, General Kellogg, Mike Waltz and others have been in Ukraine for 4 weeks now off and on. I posted a video earlier of General Kellogg, he continued to tell him and his staff that support would be cut off if he did not seek a peace deal.

The prime minister of UK and the president of France spoke with him before the meeting in the Oval office last Friday. They had both been told by Trump, US would pull support without peace negotiation. The morning of the meeting, he met with many US Congressional delegates. They all told him without a piece deal, support will be discontinued.
He made the decision, to go into an economic agreement press conference and derail from the agenda to try and forced Trump for military support.
The meeting was on Friday. Zelensky had the entire weekend to think things over. The secretary of the UN encouraged him to fix it, as well as many others.
We did not pull support until late Tuesday evening. Trump gave him time to change his mind. Many tried to reason with him.

Trump did exactly what he's said he would do, he cut off all aid. Zelenskys actions caused hardship for the people of Ukraine. He chose to put his people in that position. Some will not see it that way, they will make Trump out to be the bad guy. That's okay, he's a big guy he can take it, but at the end of the day lives will be saved. That's all that matters. The war has to end, souls are being lost every day. Zelensky it's very hard-headed, thought he could shame Trump into getting his way. He lost. Backfired big time. Trump don't back down, he's like a dog with a bone.

Moo

 

[UK Girl]

Ukraine doesn't have a lot of bargaining power. He has a lot less since the incident in the White House Oval office. European countries are struggling to provide financial and security support. There have been two highly publicized meetings with little results. Russia now realizes, Ukraine doesn't have the support from the European countries nor the United States. Zelensky should have come to the negotiating table before he exposed his vulnerabilities and weaknesses with his allies. Russia has a much more powerful army, nuclear weapons, it doesn't mind sending so I'm just into the meat grinder. He has no heart.

He certainly doesn't have to take any deal. He can continue to fight.

Everyone said ready to throw Trump under the bus, thinking he will not advocate for Ukraine. We have a economic mineral agreement, Trump's going to fight tooth and nail. Trump loves a good deal and he loves making money. US companies being able to lease the mineral rights from Ukraine, will allow the US to enter the tech manufacturing market. He will drive a hard bargain on Ukraine's behalf. I think we would all agree both sides will need to make concessions. We have to be realistic.
Moo...

Not true

 

[UK Girl]

He was told, weeks ahead. Secretary of State, General Kellogg, Mike Waltz and others have been in Ukraine for 4 weeks now off and on. I posted a video earlier of General Kellogg, he continued to tell him and his staff that support would be cut off if he did not seek a peace deal.

The prime minister of UK and the president of France spoke with him before the meeting in the Oval office last Friday. They had both been told by Trump, US would pull support without peace negotiation. The morning of the meeting, he met with many US Congressional delegates. Thank all told him without a piece deal, support will r discontinued.
He made the decision, can go into an economic agreement press conference and derail from the agenda to try and forced Trump for military support.
The meeting was on Friday. Zelensky had the entire weekend to think things over. The secretary of the UN encouraged him to fix it, as well as many others.
We did not pull support until late Tuesday evening. Trump gave him time to change his mind. Many tried to reason with him.

Trump did exactly what he's said he would do, he cut off all aid. Zelenskys actions caused hardship for the people of Ukraine. He chose to put his people in that position. Some will not see it that way, they will make Trump out to be the bad guy. That's okay, he's a big guy he can take it, but at the end of the day lives will be saved. That's all that matters. The war has to end, souls are being lost every day. Zelensky it's very hard-headed, thought he could shame Trump into getting his way. He lost. Backfired big time. Trump don't back down, he's like a dog with a bone.

Moo

To be honest that has made me think. Maybe Trump and Vance deliberately attacked Zelensky hoping that he would react. Its weird how some see last Friday when headlines across the world did not think it was Zelensky that was wrong. In fact he was called a hero.

 

[Sundog]

To be honest that has made me think. Maybe Trump and Vance deliberately attacked Zelensky hoping that he would react. Its weird how some see last Friday when headlines across the world did not think it was Zelensky that was wrong. In fact he was called a hero.

He clearly blindsided the President and mislead his reason for being there. He had no intention of signing the agreement and was playing to the media for good PR and to the American people who he was led to believe would be supportive. Big mistake and it may have cost him the deal.

 

[Simply Southern]

One thing - most European countries in Nato only get involved in wars when America wants to invade yet another country. We were happy to assist even if the war eventually turned out to be illegal. As a rule we do not get into wars. America does. Maybe in future we should charge America before going to help. Incidentally about Ukraine not being America's war. Actually due to the fact that Ukraine lost its wars due to the alliances promises it kinda is...

The war in Afghanistan was because the US was attacked on our soil. 9/11 A plane flown by terrorist flew into world trade center towers. A plane flown by terrorist flew in to our Pentagon, housing thousands of military workers. A plane was taking hostage by terrorist with US citizens and crashed in Pennsylvania All aboard died. All in less than 2 hours. We were attacked in our own country.

Thousands of Americans died. US Congress voted to declared war on Oct 7th. It is very disrespectful an extremely hurtful, to say that was an illegal war. We went to Afghanistan to hunt down the terrorist that murdered our US citizens. I appreciate all our allies that supported the US.

I also remember quite well the cost of many American soldiers when we aided Europe during World War II. Many thousands gave their lives to provide freedom for European countries.

NATO was designed to help protect European country. Maybe the US should really take a hard look at pulling out when our other NATO members have such low regard for the US. The US has many other allies, with very strong defense capability.

Moo...