Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #14

[branmuffin]

They've been invaded for years. Who exactly is going to wrench the Russians out?

Certainly not Putin's buddy, Trump. Have you ever considered that in any relationship, one person always seems to have the upper hand? It may change back and forth as to who is the dominant one but the idea of an equal partnership isn't realistic.

So I presume the posters on WS who support Trump's decision-making, whether it's about the economy, his cabinet, the administration, the Supreme Court, or the war in Ukraine, must realize one of them, either Trump or Putin, has the upper hand. But who is it?

If the US is winding down its involvement in Ukraine then I suppose Trump supporters think Trump's in control and are okay with whatever happens. So if Trump's idea of peace means Ukraine giving up whatever territory Russia has already claimed and let Putin do whatever he wants, they're okay with that because well, Trump's okay with it. Trump throwing Ukraine under the bus and many Americans feeling okay with it, suggests to me, any decision Trump makes is okay with them.

I firmly believe much of what Trump does has no bearing on the wellbeing of most Americans; he is only capable of using the number one reason when it comes to murder: who benefits? And in this case, Trump believes he benefits. I think it's quite possible, Putin, knowing Trump's predilection for flattery also says it's Trump who benefits. After all, it was someone's idea that a peace deal with Zelenskyy meant the US was going to take half of the rare earth minerals, even though most of those minerals are in an area of Ukraine that is already under Russia's control. Who's the patsy here? I don't think it's Putin.

 

[UK Girl]

If you watched the entire meeting Zelensky rolled his eyes and made faces throughout. Trump was asked repeatedly by reporters about doing a peace deal to which he responded they were using diplomacy. Zelensky would then start arguing with Trump that diplomacy wouldn't work. Towards the end JD rightly intervenes telling Zelensky we are trying to help him end this thing and act grateful instead of arguing.

Zelensky was in the wrong. I doubt we'll see him back at the White House.

If a poll was done right now I would say less than five would agree with you. For any free thinking person it is obvious that Zelensky did nothing wrong other than ask about Securities.

 

[iusedtofloat]

If you watched the entire meeting Zelensky rolled his eyes and made faces throughout. Trump was asked repeatedly by reporters about doing a peace deal to which he responded they were using diplomacy. Zelensky would then start arguing with Trump that diplomacy wouldn't work. Towards the end JD rightly intervenes telling Zelensky we are trying to help him end this thing and act grateful instead of arguing.

Zelensky was in the wrong. I doubt we'll see him back at the White House.

Z is dealing with his people dying, constantly, and he didn't walk in and immediately bow down before JD and T and kiss the ring so they were pissed off. Z is allowed to make whatever faces he wants?? That doesn't invite attacks. Think of all the crazy faces Trump makes on the daily, and if someone went after him the way he went after Z, you'd be up in arms, I'm sure.

JD doesn't "rightly intervene". He makes a fool of himself by throwing a tantrum like a petulant third grader.

 

[Stella123]

French prime minister again lashes out at US over Ukraine, says pause in aid is 'unbearable'

France’s prime minister has decried the U.S. pause on military aid for Ukraine as “unbearable.” François Bayrou mounted his second sharp criticism of the administration of U.S.

apnews.com

“If Russia stops fighting, the war stops. If Ukraine stops fighting, Ukraine disappears,” Bayrou said.

I don't see how anyone can support our current regime, which is more akin to NK and Russia daily.

Things are scarier than ever before in my lifetime.
We need to support our allies, period.
America is not elite.
America is not above everyone else.

We should be a team player. I'm sick and tired of nationalism, elitism, I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I? immaturity taking over crucial, life-changing, life-ENDING (in many Ukranians and Russians case, and with the ending of USAID funding many Americans too) political issues. I don't know how to explain to people that they should care about others.

I'm just tired. And scared. Very scared.

It is scary I agree. But have hope and faith - if enough people have that and call out the lies, then lies can't take hold.

A "double Russia" is my fear - two superpowers with Russian ideology. That would be the easiest way to wipe out Europe entirely JMO

 

[iusedtofloat]

Certainly not Putin's buddy, Trump. Have you ever considered that in any relationship, one person always seems to have the upper hand? It may change back and forth as to who is the dominant one but the idea of an equal partnership isn't realistic.

So I presume the posters on WS who support Trump's decision-making, whether it's about the economy, his cabinet, the administration, the Supreme Court, or the war in Ukraine, must realize one of them, either Trump or Putin, has the upper hand. But who is it?

If the US is winding down its involvement in Ukraine then I suppose Trump supporters think Trump's in control and are okay with whatever happens. So if Trump's idea of peace means Ukraine giving up whatever territory Russia has already claimed and let Putin do whatever he wants, they're okay with that because well, Trump's okay with it. Trump throwing Ukraine under the bus and many Americans feeling okay with it, suggests to me, any decision Trump makes is okay with them.

I firmly believe much of what Trump does has no bearing on the wellbeing of most Americans; he is only capable of using the number one reason when it comes to murder: who benefits? And in this case, Trump believes he benefits. I think it's quite possible, Putin, knowing Trump's predilection for flattery also says it's Trump who benefits. After all, it was someone's idea that a peace deal with Zelenskyy meant the US was going to take half of the rare earth minerals, even though most of those minerals are in an area of Ukraine that is already under Russia's control. Who's the patsy here? I don't think it's Putin.

Yeah, it's pretty clear what's going on here.
But we're living in the times of "don't believe your lying eyes, believe your lord and savior - the president".

Elon Musk's chatbot says there's a strong chance Trump is "Russian asset"

Musk's AI chatbot Grok suggested Trump was 85 percent likely to be "a Russian asset" when simply asked if the president was one, without any qualifiers.

www.newsweek.com

As Trump pivots to Russia, allies weigh sharing less intel with U.S.

Members of the so-called Five Eyes spy alliance, as well as Israeli and Saudi officials, fear the identities of foreign assets could inadvertently be shared with Moscow.

www.nbcnews.com

If Trump truly were a Russian asset, what would he be doing differently? - Washington Examiner

My point is not that Trump is a Russian agent. I just want you to ask yourself how his behavior would be any different if he were.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[iusedtofloat]

If you watched the entire meeting Zelensky rolled his eyes and made faces throughout. Trump was asked repeatedly by reporters about doing a peace deal to which he responded they were using diplomacy. Zelensky would then start arguing with Trump that diplomacy wouldn't work. Towards the end JD rightly intervenes telling Zelensky we are trying to help him end this thing and act grateful instead of arguing.

Zelensky was in the wrong. I doubt we'll see him back at the White House.

Diplomacy with Russia doesn't work. What happened to "we don't negotiate with terrorists"? Now American government is joining the terrorists.

 

[UK Girl]

MSN

 

[PommyMommy]

Re-posting (from March 5, 2025)

Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, March 5, 2025

The Trump administration suspended intelligence sharing with Ukraine, one of many demands the Kremlin has made of the US, Ukraine, and Ukraine's other supporters.

understandingwar.org

The Trump administration suspended intelligence sharing with Ukraine, one of many demands the Kremlin has made of the US, Ukraine, and Ukraine's other supporters. ... The Kremlin has repeatedly insisted on an end to the provision of all foreign assistance to Ukraine as part of any peace agreement, and Kremlin Spokesperson Dmitry Peskov specifically stated on March 4 that the United States provides Ukraine with intelligence data such as satellite reconnaissance data.[4]

The suspension of US intelligence sharing with Ukraine will damage Ukraine's ability to defend itself against ongoing Russian attacks against military and civilian targets. ...[9] Ukraine's inability to conduct ATACMS and HIMARS strikes against Russian air defense systems within Russia and occupied Ukraine will likely impact how close to the frontline Russian pilots are willing to operate and expand Russia's ability to effectively use glide bombs against both frontline areas and near rear Ukrainian cities.[10]

The suspension of all US intelligence sharing with Ukraine would also allow Russian forces to intensify their drone and missile strikes against the Ukrainian rear, affecting millions of Ukrainian civilians and the growth of Ukraine's defense industrial base (DIB). ... The suspension of US intelligence on Russian strikes against the Ukrainian rear, coupled with the US suspension of supplies of Patriot air defense missiles that Ukraine relies upon to defend against Russian ballistic missiles, would have severe impacts on the safety of Ukrainian rear areas.[12]

The Trump administration has been applying considerable pressure on Ukraine, whose leaders continue to offer concessions and publicly declare their interest in achieving a lasting end to the war. These Trump administration policies are undermining the leverage that the United States needs to get Russian President Vladimir Putin to accept any peace agreement that is in the interests of the United States, Ukraine, and Europe. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky stated on March 4 that "Ukraine is ready to come to the negotiating table as soon as possible to bring lasting peace closer."[15] Zelensky also offered to exchange Ukrainian and Russian prisoners of war (POWs), to ban missile and long-range drone strikes against energy and civilian infrastructure, and to reach an immediate truce in the Black Sea.[16] Zelensky has indicated several times — including in his February 28 Fox News interview — that he is willing to make concessions on territory, Ukraine's NATO membership, and his own tenure in office in order to secure a just and sustainable peace.[17] Russian President Vladimir Putin and numerous Kremlin officials have, in contrast, offered no meaningful concessions. They continuously repeat demands that amount to complete Ukrainian capitulation as well as the rolling back of NATO from Eastern Europe.[18]

 

[UK Girl]

I actually wonder how Trump feels about the events of the last week. After the ambush on Zelensky and then pulling America out he must have thought Zelensky would be begging for help but instead he was given lots of good wishes by the other leaders with them having endless meetings and making plans what they would do to continue to make sure he has what he needs. I can't but help think Trump feels left knowing he isn;t as needed as he thought.

 

[Deleted member 352484]

Diplomacy with Russia doesn't work. What happened to "we don't negotiate with terrorists"? Now American government is joining the terrorists.

Who's going to stop the war or would you prefer the killing to continue and the Russians continue to make territorial gains?

 

[Stella123]

Straight outta Orwell's 1984

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It really is!

 

[Vern]

Z is dealing with his people dying, constantly, and he didn't walk in and immediately bow down before JD and T and kiss the ring so they were pissed off. Z is allowed to make whatever faces he wants?? That doesn't invite attacks. Think of all the crazy faces Trump makes on the daily, and if someone went after him the way he went after Z, you'd be up in arms, I'm sure.

JD doesn't "rightly intervene". He makes a fool of himself by throwing a tantrum like a petulant third grader.

I'm pretty certain that Zelinskyy (thus Ukraine) was damned the very minute that he refused to cooperate with DJT as 45 ... and DJT ended up impeached for it. AKA "The Quid Pro Quo"

Yep, there's a history there all right.

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[Stella123]

I actually wonder how Trump feels about the events of the last week. After the ambush on Zelensky and then pulling America out he must have thought Zelensky would be begging for help but instead he was given lots of good wishes by the other leaders with them having endless meetings and making plans what they would do to continue to make sure he has what he needs. I can't but help think Trump feels left knowing he isn;t as needed as he thought.

He probably isn't feeling anything - except anger. Typical of narcissists - no emotion except anger. JMO

 

[LovesPeace2]

Euromaidan Art & Graphics
A little about the wars Russia has started with Ukraini . It's been going on for so long.

 

[Sundog]

I actually wonder how Trump feels about the events of the last week. After the ambush on Zelensky and then pulling America out he must have thought Zelensky would be begging for help but instead he was given lots of good wishes by the other leaders with them having endless meetings and making plans what they would do to continue to make sure he has what he needs. I can't but help think Trump feels left knowing he isn;t as needed as he thought.

I doubt that's the case. The President is focused on Hamas and the hostages, issues with tariffs related to China, Mexico and Canada, bringing entrepreneurs and businesses and investors back to the U.S. etc.

 

[Stella123]

MSN

What is that on that guy's face at the top of the article? It looks like he has a spider half across one side of his face?

 

[iusedtofloat]

It is scary I agree. But have hope and faith - if enough people have that and call out the lies, then lies can't take hold.

A "double Russia" is my fear - two superpowers with Russian ideology. That would be the easiest way to wipe out Europe entirely JMO

Yes. I agree. I used to let politics slide a bit more, I would try to mediate and peace-make. Not anymore.

It is clear now that either Trump is stopped from continuing his platform of cruelty, or there will be a revolution. I know which side I'll be on. Standing against bigotry and hatred and hostile government takeovers and billionaires robbing the working class.

In my city, I am helping to organize protests. I've accepted I could be arrested for this, given how things are going, even though the protests are peaceful. I switched career paths to work with people vulnerable, suffering, and most affected by these insane executive orders.

If you feel scared and worried like I do, and concerned for your fellow man, I know it's hard to take action when you feel so much anxiety. But for me, joining the right side of history has helped alleviate some of my anxiety. Are any of y'all attending protests and the like?

 

[Stunned]

Key words: out of the white house.

Which bugs me, because it's Our House! It We The Peoples House! And #47 had no business throwing him out! IMO

 

[PommyMommy]

MAR 4, 2025

Zelensky Offers Terms to Stop Fighting, Assuring U.S. That Ukraine Wants Peace

“We are working on all possible scenarios to protect Ukraine,” said President Volodymyr Zelensky, whose country was looking to European allies for support.

www.nytimes.com

President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine on Tuesday offered a course of action that he said could end the war, while trying to assure the Trump administration that his government was dedicated to peace.

The Ukrainian leader said he was ready to release Russian prisoners of war, stop long-range drone and missile strikes aimed at Russian targets, and declare a truce at sea immediately — moves that he said would help establish a pathway to peace.

There was no immediate reaction from the Kremlin to Mr. Zelensky’s proposal.

In recent weeks, however, Mr. Putin has offered no hint of being willing to de-escalate the war before winning major concessions from the West and Ukraine ...

“There is no evidence that Russia would be prepared to accept a deal, and what that would be,” said Malcolm Chalmers, deputy director general of the Royal United Services Institute, a research group in London. He said the decision by the United States to pause military aid would only encourage Putin to ask for more — including Ukrainian demilitarization and neutrality.

 

[UK Girl]

What is that on that guy's face at the top of the article? It looks like he has a spider half across one side of his face?

It is a scar I think.