Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #14

[UK Girl]

Zelenskyy wont allow them?

Nope nothing to do with Zelensky. How can it be when he isnt allowed in them either Lol

 

[LoveyG]

I doubt that's the case. The President is focused on Hamas and the hostages, issues with tariffs related to China, Mexico and Canada, bringing entrepreneurs and businesses and investors back to the U.S. etc.

I think he's more focused on Club Med - Gaza.

 

[keek]

I think he's more focused on Club Med - Gaza.

Totally only that sickening big money making prospect, to him.

 

[Arkay]

Not the Americans - just Trump! Because he's the one who just empowered Russia by taking away intelligence from Ukraine - which is a hostile move JMO.

To the benefit of the entire globe and for my own sanity, I’m thankful I’ve spent my career as a teacher and not as a world leader.

I cannot fathom the cognitive dissonance here—-a war between two nations, the United States a supposed intermediary—-yet one of two nations at war is forbidden by the intermediary to a) have a seat at the negotiating table, and b) rescinds all intelligence pertaining to the nation that was ambushed.

If I were in fact a world leader, I’d be going berserk, very vociferously, if it were my country being so repeatedly victimized.

I admire Zelenskyy’s restraint. He puts the survival of Ukraine above his own pride.

JMO

 

[PommyMommy]

Ukraine halted the Russian advance near Pokrovsk as Moscow’s forces depleted resources

However, the 24th Assault Battalion Aidar warned that, despite Russian infantry losses, artillery, aviation, and drone strikes continue 24/7 in Donetsk

https://twitter.com/x/status/1898480845792346614

Explosions reported in Kyiv.

Explosions were heard in Kyiv around 10:50 p.m. local time, according to a Kyiv Independent journalist on the ground.

Ukraine's Air Force warned of Russian drone and missile attacks targeting various regions of the country.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1898481066215714895

 

[branmuffin]

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I've seen no evidence that Russia is losing the war and ready to surrender. They continue to take land from Ukraine. I wish Russia was losing the war, it would make peace much easier.

Yes, Russians hate Ukrainians, stated by Zelensky at the famous Oval office meeting. I do believe, it is an ethnic cleansing. If the war continues, there Will be few ukrainians left alive.

I don't know any other way to save lives than to end the war. Russia is not going to back down.

Moo

It isn't an ethnic cleansing. Putin doesn't care about the people he cares about the land. He sees Crimea as part of the Russian Empire. Here's a very interesting video that shows the way the map of Europe changed over a period of 2000 years. Pay special attention to when Crimea was part of Russia and see how many other countries were at the same time.

 

[SouthAussie]

I double-check U.S. news against international sources .....

It shows. You definitely are well informed and have stepped away from any insular approach to the situation. There is a whole big world out here, and other points of view matter.

imo

 

[Marysmith]

his name actually is spelt with two Ys!

It is... however it seems that non-Ukranians are spelling it with 1... I have been as to not cause confusion but I guess I should not.

 

[branmuffin]

That is looking at military numbers - not the whole picture. The article above shows Putin even admitted he was having problems.

And there's this:

What CEOs Know about Putin that Stumps Donald Trump

Putin is desperate for U.S. businesses to return to stave off his economic collapse, write Jeffrey Sonnenfeld and Steven Tian

time.com

 

[Arkay]

Ukraine halted the Russian advance near Pokrovsk as Moscow’s forces depleted resources

However, the 24th Assault Battalion Aidar warned that, despite Russian infantry losses, artillery, aviation, and drone strikes continue 24/7 in Donetsk

https://twitter.com/x/status/1898480845792346614

Explosions reported in Kyiv.

Explosions were heard in Kyiv around 10:50 p.m. local time, according to a Kyiv Independent journalist on the ground.

Ukraine's Air Force warned of Russian drone and missile attacks targeting various regions of the country.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1898481066215714895

Sigh.

I am from the generation of American children who grew up when Russia was the Soviet Union and we were in the Cold War. From that time to this, Russia in any variation has been considered an enemy of the United States.

I well recall the drills of hiding beneath our school desks and knowing the location of the fallout shelters, this due to the potential of being bombed by the Soviet Union. I’m too young to really remember the Cuban missile crisis, but I understand that Americans and President Kennedy were in genuine fear of such attacks.

As kids we were not in fear. Crouching beneath our desks seemed like a fun little interlude during the school day. (Our students today feel the same when we have fire drills).

The reason we never panicked was because we were never bombed. It was just a funny little distraction.

TODAY however, akin to students now understanding that drills regarding school shootings are actually vital, the population in Ukraine has been bombarded for more than three years at this point. How can a generation grow up this way, should they even manage to survive?

JMO

For those too young, these posters used to be ubiquitous. (Image source Dealy Plaza Museum).

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Nope nothing to do with Zelensky. How can it be when he isnt allowed in them either Lol

They (Europe) could take the bull by the horns and start their own peace negotiations. Are they that dependent on the US? Too much finger pointing and not enough solutions. imo

edited to clarify

 

[Stella123]

It isn't an ethnic cleansing. Putin doesn't care about the people he cares about the land. He sees Crimea as part of the Russian Empire. Here's a very interesting video that shows the way the map of Europe changed over a period of 2000 years. Pay special attention to when Crimea was part of Russia and see how many other countries were at the same time.

That is a fascinating map video thank you I do think the Russian aim is ethnic cleansing. They are currently attempting genocide and it has been reported over the years in a number of places, how Russia imposes "Russianisation" and forced Russian views. Russia is currently doing this with the abducted children - aka brainwashing. JMO

It is more than just wanting the land and a bigger Russia back. MOO

Fact Sheet: The Kremlin's Occupation Playbook: Coerced Russification and Ethnic Cleansing in Occupied Ukraine​

Institute for the Study of War

Russia’s war in Ukraine is a war for people, not just land. The lives, freedom, and identities of nearly five million Ukrainians currently under Russian occupation and the nearly five million more whom the Kremlin has illegally deported to Russia, as w

www.understandingwar.org

 

[UK Girl]

They (Europe) could take the bull by the horns and start their own peace negotiations. Are they that dependent on the US? Too much finger pointing and not enough solutions. imo

edited to clarify

Tbh no they are not that dependant on the US. The last week has shown that. From what has been said Europe HAVE been working out what they would like to see...but theres no way Trump will allow their ideas over his. He wants to be seen as the man that supposedly saved the world!

 

[UK Girl]

They (Europe) could take the bull by the horns and start their own peace negotiations. Are they that dependent on the US? Too much finger pointing and not enough solutions. imo

edited to clarify

At a guess they are also busy trying to sort out the mess they were left with...without their own countries issues also.

 

[Vern]

Just in From The George W. Bush Presidential Center

America First Should Not Put Russia Second


"To the dismay of those who support freedom, the world is turning toward the appeasement of dictators.

It was painful to watch last week’s meeting in the Oval Office, a room President George W. Bush has often called a “shrine to freedom.” President Donald Trump and Vice President J.D. Vance attacked Volodymyr Zelenskyy, the democratically-elected Ukrainian president who is leading the fight against a dictatorial aggressor.

To insinuate that Ukraine is somehow the perpetrator of the aggression, the saber-rattling toward World War III, and the impediment to peace is delusional. Nobody wants the war to end more than Ukrainians, who, after all, are the ones suffering and dying from Vladimir Putin’s war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide. The bombardment by Russia is constant. Peace will only come the day Russia ceases fighting. In the meantime, Ukrainians are justified in defending their sovereign territory.

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[Stella123]

Tbh no they are not that dependant on the US. The last week has shown that. From what has been said Europe HAVE been working out what they would like to see...but theres no way Trump will allow their ideas over his. He wants to be seen as the man that supposedly saved the world!

I think Starmer wants them all to work together and said something about wanting the US onboard as well. Starmer is protecting the "special relationship" with the US IMO. MOO

Trump is the one who started talking about peace talks. JMO

 

[LoveyG]

Tbh no they are not that dependant on the US. The last week has shown that. From what has been said Europe HAVE been working out what they would like to see...but theres no way Trump will allow their ideas over his. He wants to be seen as the man that supposedly saved the world!

They should tell him to get out of the way.

 

[UK Girl]

Just in From The George W. Bush Presidential Center

America First Should Not Put Russia Second


"To the dismay of those who support freedom, the world is turning toward the appeasement of dictators.

It was painful to watch last week’s meeting in the Oval Office, a room President George W. Bush has often called a “shrine to freedom.” President Donald Trump and Vice President J.D. Vance attacked Volodymyr Zelenskyy, the democratically-elected Ukrainian president who is leading the fight against a dictatorial aggressor.

To insinuate that Ukraine is somehow the perpetrator of the aggression, the saber-rattling toward World War III, and the impediment to peace is delusional. Nobody wants the war to end more than Ukrainians, who, after all, are the ones suffering and dying from Vladimir Putin’s war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide. The bombardment by Russia is constant. Peace will only come the day Russia ceases fighting. In the meantime, Ukrainians are justified in defending their sovereign territory.

..."

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Well said !

 

[Stella123]

Just in From The George W. Bush Presidential Center

America First Should Not Put Russia Second


"To the dismay of those who support freedom, the world is turning toward the appeasement of dictators.

It was painful to watch last week’s meeting in the Oval Office, a room President George W. Bush has often called a “shrine to freedom.” President Donald Trump and Vice President J.D. Vance attacked Volodymyr Zelenskyy, the democratically-elected Ukrainian president who is leading the fight against a dictatorial aggressor.

To insinuate that Ukraine is somehow the perpetrator of the aggression, the saber-rattling toward World War III, and the impediment to peace is delusional. Nobody wants the war to end more than Ukrainians, who, after all, are the ones suffering and dying from Vladimir Putin’s war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide. The bombardment by Russia is constant. Peace will only come the day Russia ceases fighting. In the meantime, Ukrainians are justified in defending their sovereign territory.

..."

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I couldn't see anything except the link for some reason, but quoted from your link:

"They are on the front lines, fighting not just for their freedom but for ours as well. If the United States were to appease the invader, Russia would regain the military advantage, and nothing would stop it from moving deeper into Ukraine at some point. Putin, who has consistently reneged on agreements, would feel emboldened and ultimately target other countries in the region, for example the NATO-member Baltic states, as he marches toward reassembling the former Soviet Union. Recall that our weak withdrawal from Afghanistan may have given Putin the idea that he could get away with his full-scale invasion of Ukraine six months later."

Also on economics:

"It’s also worth noting that nearly 70% of total Ukraine assistance is spent in the United States or on U.S. forces, according to a study by the American Enterprise Institute (AEI). That creates jobs for Americans while also helping Ukraine and helping to rebuild our atrophied defense industrial base. Moreover, a different AEI study found that ceasing our support for Ukraine will be much more costly for the United States in the long run – to the tune of an additional $800 billion in defense spending if Russia overruns Ukraine."

"Let there be no mistake: Ukraine and Ukrainians are our friends and allies; Putin’s Russia is the enemy. We must treat our friends as friends and our adversaries as adversaries. Most Americans seem to understand this: a recent poll cited in the Wall Street Journal found 69% of Republican voters say Russia is the aggressor and 83% disapprove of Putin."

"For the good of both countries and for the cause of freedom, it is vital that the United States and Ukraine get back on track. There may soon be a meeting between Trump and Putin, in which Putin will surely attempt to manipulate our president. One can only hope that our American leader will adopt a tougher line toward his Russian counterpart, America’s enemy, than he did toward Zelenskyy, America’s friend. After all, Zelenskyy and Ukrainians want the war to end, just not through imposed capitulation. By contrast, it is Putin who has shown no serious interest in ending the fighting and killing."

 

[UK Girl]

They should tell him to get out of the way.

That is the funny thing. He says we are Ukraine's neighbours and that we should sort things out. That we should put people in as peacekeepers and yet Europe are not even allowed in the peace talks. He is literally just telling us what to do.