Russia Attacks Ukraine - 23 Feb 2022 #15

[LovesPeace2]

"He reiterated that Ukraine will not recognize any occupied territories as part of Russia under a potential future peace agreement with Moscow."

So no truce then, as we expected! Putin won't agree to a truce unless Zelensky agrees to give up those territories (and a lot more) and Zelensky won't agree to give up the territories - which is understandable! JMO

Putin wants all of Ukraini and he won't stop . I hope the EU UK Aussies Canada and Britain can help Ukraine. We are so tired of hearing about trump and the USA, it's really enough already of the game that trump and Putin are playing. Because of them so many more are dying. When is it going to be enough already. Trump needs to back off and quit meddling already and let those who know Russia best deal with it.. Jmvho

 

[Vern]

Good on Macron. "Nyet, Russia" it isn't up to you.

Macron says Putin has no say in whether Western troops are deployed to ‘sovereign’ Ukraine

Mr Macron added that the proposed contingents from countries that are members of the Nato alliance would serve as “a guarantee of security” for Ukraine and that “several European nations, and also non-European, have expressed their willingness to join such an effort when it is confirmed,” La Dépêche reported.

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Le Parisien cited Mr Macron as saying that Moscow’s agreement wasn't needed for such deployment. “Ukraine is sovereign. If it asks for Allied forces to be on its territory, it’s not up to Russia to accept or not," he said.

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[SouthAussie]

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‘No ceasefire will work’: US medics on Ukraine’s frontline scorn Trump’s peace talks​

“Getting blown up was not so traumatic compared to the situation that we were in with no comms. No comms, you know, in a grey zone, no communications, no navigational reference,” says Rebekah, 31, a permanent frontline medic volunteer from Colorado in Ukraine since March 2022.
Yet even more traumatic was hearing her own president turn on Ukraine’s president and switch sides, to backing the Kremlin. She heard him do that while watching a drone feed of another of her teams under fire trying to rescue wounded soldiers on the front line near Toretsk, north of Donetsk.

This week I saw a medic in Ukraine saying how they had to treat not only the Ukraine soldiers but also the wounded Russian soldiers they encountered, because it was a legal requirement and they didn't want to be accused (later) of a war crime.

It was a video reel on a Ukraine page. But here is a link to an MSM source that says similar.


Sep 2023:
While most of their patients are Ukrainian soldiers, the medics have treated the occasional captured Russian as well.

"In May, we were brought one Russian soldier," Lubya said. "His people abandoned him in a bunker and he was lying in no-man's land for almost a week. It was amazing he was still alive. We managed to save him and despite all this, he was still speaking about the 'Russian world.' It was hard to believe."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-medics-front-lines-1.6970706#:~:text=While%20most%20of%20their%20patients,amazing%20he%20was%20still%20alive.

 

[Mo Thuairim]

But Putin will class that as being at War with Europe if Europeans are on Ukrainian territory - he's said that many times. He also said something about peacekeeping forces should be from neutral countries. Irish peacekeeping force then perhaps? MOO

Explainer: Triple Lock or not for peacekeeping missions​

[...]

In the face of threats from the east, European nations are busily reassessing their ability to stand up to aggression and to unite against a common foe.

In this context, debate is taking place in Ireland about the future of the Triple Lock - the legislative device that, since 2001, has required a United Nations' mandate along with a Dáil and Government decision to be taken before more than 12 members of the Defence Forces are deployed on overseas missions.

[...]

Cabinet approval for the changes has already been given, with Mr Harris saying the focus is very much on ending the veto that permanent members of the UN Security Council have on such missions.

[...]

The Government also points out that no new peacekeeping missions have been approved since 2014 and that, since 2001, 56 draft resolutions have been vetoed at the Security Council (not all for peacekeeping missions) - 19 by the US, 16 by China and 37 by the Russian Federation. It all bolsters the case to change the Triple Lock, it says.

But campaigners opposing changes say this is not the whole story. They claim that in the event the UN Security Council does not agree on missions, the UN General Assembly can step in and grant a mandate.

[...]

One way or another, the debate here about the future of the Triple Lock will continue with the focus firmly on the role of the Security Council and how the use of the veto on resolutions there ultimately decides if Ireland can take place in peacekeeping operations around the globe.

Explainer: Triple Lock or not for peacekeeping missions

Campaigners claim the Security Council veto does not stop UN mandates for peacekeeping as legislation to end the Triple Lock advances here.

www.rte.ie

 

[SouthAussie]

Explainer: Triple Lock or not for peacekeeping missions​

[...]

In the face of threats from the east, European nations are busily reassessing their ability to stand up to aggression and to unite against a common foe.

In this context, debate is taking place in Ireland about the future of the Triple Lock - the legislative device that, since 2001, has required a United Nations' mandate along with a Dáil and Government decision to be taken before more than 12 members of the Defence Forces are deployed on overseas missions.

[...]

Cabinet approval for the changes has already been given, with Mr Harris saying the focus is very much on ending the veto that permanent members of the UN Security Council have on such missions.

[...]

The Government also points out that no new peacekeeping missions have been approved since 2014 and that, since 2001, 56 draft resolutions have been vetoed at the Security Council (not all for peacekeeping missions) - 19 by the US, 16 by China and 37 by the Russian Federation. It all bolsters the case to change the Triple Lock, it says.

But campaigners opposing changes say this is not the whole story. They claim that in the event the UN Security Council does not agree on missions, the UN General Assembly can step in and grant a mandate.

[...]

One way or another, the debate here about the future of the Triple Lock will continue with the focus firmly on the role of the Security Council and how the use of the veto on resolutions there ultimately decides if Ireland can take place in peacekeeping operations around the globe.

Explainer: Triple Lock or not for peacekeeping missions

Campaigners claim the Security Council veto does not stop UN mandates for peacekeeping as legislation to end the Triple Lock advances here.

www.rte.ie

From your linked article .... "We don’t believe that Putin or other leaders should have a veto on whether our troops can be deployed."


I am sure a whole bunch of people and nations agree with that! Sounds like it will be an awfully slow process if they have to wait for the UN General Assembly.


Whether or not the General Assembly is likely to use it powers in this regard again seems remote, because the Security Council is the long-standing de facto lead on peacekeeping.

It is also the case that Article 12 of the UN Charter states the General Assembly must not make recommendations or take actions on any dispute while it is before the Security Council.

 

[sunshineray]

This week I saw a medic in Ukraine saying how they had to treat not only the Ukraine soldiers but also the wounded Russian soldiers they encountered, because it was a legal requirement and they didn't want to be accused (later) of a war crime.

It was a video reel on a Ukraine page. But here is a link to an MSM source that says similar.


Sep 2023:
While most of their patients are Ukrainian soldiers, the medics have treated the occasional captured Russian as well.

"In May, we were brought one Russian soldier," Lubya said. "His people abandoned him in a bunker and he was lying in no-man's land for almost a week. It was amazing he was still alive. We managed to save him and despite all this, he was still speaking about the 'Russian world.' It was hard to believe."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-medics-front-lines-1.6970706#:~:text=While%20most%20of%20their%20patients,amazing%20he%20was%20still%20alive.

From your linked article...

What was this man so upset about? What supposed experiments is Russian propaganda spouting that had this badly injured man becoming hysterical about getting life-saving help?

"When he saw that everyone around him was speaking Ukrainian, he became hysterical. He was screaming that he won't let us take his blood because banderovtsy will use it for experiments,"

 

[Mo Thuairim]

From your linked article .... "We don’t believe that Putin or other leaders should have a veto on whether our troops can be deployed."


I am sure a whole bunch of people and nations agree with that! Sounds like it will be an awfully slow process if they have to wait for the UN General Assembly.


Whether or not the General Assembly is likely to use it powers in this regard again seems remote, because the Security Council is the long-standing de facto lead on peacekeeping.

It is also the case that Article 12 of the UN Charter states the General Assembly must not make recommendations or take actions on any dispute while it is before the Security Council.

Yes, looks like they will probably go ahead with removing the requirement for UN approval before deployment. Some more info here.

Defence Forces: Ireland moves to change rules on deploying military

The Irish Cabinet has approved draft legislation to change the rules that govern how its military can be used abroad.

www.bbc.com

 

[SouthAussie]

From your linked article...

What was this man so upset about? What supposed experiments is Russian propaganda spouting that had this badly injured man becoming hysterical about getting life-saving help?

"When he saw that everyone around him was speaking Ukrainian, he became hysterical. He was screaming that he won't let us take his blood because banderovtsy will use it for experiments,"

From what I can see, that seems to go back to Holocaust days, when much of Ukraine was under the control of Nazi Germany.

The banderovtsy were Ukraines (or people who spoke Ukraine) who were recruited/forced/enlisted to clear out the Jewish people. And we know that Nazi Germany did all kinds of horrifying "experiments".

I wonder if that was what the upset elderly man was thinking about, or if the Russians are promoting that kind of propaganda.

https://www.ushmm.org/m/pdfs/20130500-holocaust-in-ukraine.pdf

Reichskommissariat Ukraine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[sunshineray]

From your linked article .... "We don’t believe that Putin or other leaders should have a veto on whether our troops can be deployed."


I am sure a whole bunch of people and nations agree with that! Sounds like it will be an awfully slow process if they have to wait for the UN General Assembly.


Whether or not the General Assembly is likely to use it powers in this regard again seems remote, because the Security Council is the long-standing de facto lead on peacekeeping.

It is also the case that Article 12 of the UN Charter states the General Assembly must not make recommendations or take actions on any dispute while it is before the Security Council.

You'd think when a country has invaded a sovereign country...numerous times (Russia occupies a lot of Georgia still), it would seem to me they have trashed their favored nation status at the UN, JMO. I think Putin should be actively investigated for war crimes BY the UN and removed from the SC if the evidence is shown to be there. And let's get the world's opinions on Russia's murderous agression...but no, all the UN can do (with minimal teeth) is refer to the ICC.

I also think the UN should officially censure and warn America about the threats made to Panama (Trump has told his military leaders to draw up plans for invasion) and Greenland's sovereignty (talking annexation, what Putin has done, not just talked about, numerous times). But the UN doesn't ever venture to step on the big toes, it seems, it fearfully passes the buck...AJMO.

 

[RichardKimble]

You'd think when a country has invaded a sovereign country...numerous times (Russia occupies a lot of Georgia still), it would seem to me they have trashed their favored nation status at the UN, JMO. I think Putin should be actively investigated for war crimes BY the UN and removed from the SC if the evidence is shown to be there. And let's get the world's opinions on Russia's murderous agression...but no, all the UN can do (with minimal teeth) is refer to the ICC.

I also think the UN should officially censure and warn America about the threats made to Panama (Trump has told his military leaders to draw up plans for invasion) and Greenland's sovereignty (talking annexation, what Putin has done, not just talked about, numerous times). But the UN doesn't ever venture to step on the big toes, it seems, it fearfully passes the buck...AJMO.

Go back to the 80's invasion of Grenada, the UN are ineffective imo and the US don't care.

 

[PommyMommy]

I had a meeting with Ukraine's Minister of Defense, Rustem Umerov, and the new Chief of the General Staff, Andrii Hnatov.

We discussed the frontline situation and engagements with partners on security guarantees for Ukraine. I outlined the key objectives.

To the Minister of Defense — urgently assemble a team that will work on engagements with partners regarding all the details of the security system Ukraine needs, as well as the implementation of decisions made at the military-political level. As early as this week, the team should participate in the work in London at the relevant meeting of military representatives.

To the Chief of the General Staff — accelerate the establishment of a corps system in our Defense Forces and to audit the current needs of combat brigades. The brigades must be supplied to the maximum to ensure the resilience of our positions, both at the front and in diplomatic efforts.

Strengthening the army is a constant priority, and there can be no steps back in this regard. Ukraine's Defense and Security Forces, defense industry, and multilevel engagement with partners are the foundation of our independence.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1901608834457616392

My warmest congratulations to @PresidentIRL, @MichealMartinTD and all Irish people in Ireland and worldwide on St Patrick’s Day.

We are deeply grateful to Ireland for its unwavering support to Ukraine, including the assistance provided to Ukrainians, who found refuge in Ireland, and for actively participating in the shared European efforts toward a just and lasting peace.

Lá Fhéile Pádraig sona duit to all our Irish friends.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1901624556105654783

 

[PommyMommy]

Trump plans to call Putin on March 18 to discuss war in Ukraine. "I'll be speaking to President Putin on Tuesday.

A lot of work's been done over the weekend," U.S. President Donald Trump told reporters.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1901524355432980753

US to withdraw from group investigating Russian leadership for crimes against Ukraine, NYT reports.

The decision is to be announced on March 17 in an email to the group's parent organization, Eurojust, the New York Times wrote.

The Hague-based International Center for the Prosecution of the Crime of Aggression against Ukraine is a judicial hub supporting national investigations into the crime of aggression committed by the Russian leadership, including President Vladimir Putin, and Moscow's allies against Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1901526356136997052

 

[PommyMommy]

Territorial integrity, military size, alliances — FM Sybiha sets 3 'fundamentals' for potential peace talks.

Foreign Minister Andrii Sybiha stressed that Ukraine’s territorial integrity and sovereignty are non-negotiable, reaffirming that Kyiv will never recognize Russian-occupied territories as part of Russia.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1901577540642226397

EU approves third $3.8 billion tranche for Kyiv under Ukraine Facility program.

With this disbursement, Ukraine will have received nearly 20 billion euros ($21.7 billion) under the Ukraine Facility since the program was launched in early 2024.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1901585092029411672

Germany delivers Gepard air defenses, shells, drones, other aid to Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1901612267378032829

 

[PommyMommy]

“It's frustrating to sit around doing nothing when you know you can do something right,” said William, a 25yo US Army veteran.

He is among the many Americans who felt the urgency to join the Ukrainian military after the US sharp policy turn.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1901550718521151607

Milan Honors Navalny – Memorial Unveiled

In Milan's Anna Politkovskaya Square, a memorial stone for Alexei Navalny was unveiled.

• Organized by Milan’s city hall
• Attended by Elena Buscemi & Daria Navalnaya
• Planned since August 2024

While the Kremlin erases his name, Europe remembers.

On the granite cube is a plaque with the politician's name, the date of his death and Navalny's quote, ‘If I am killed, don't give up.’

https://twitter.com/x/status/1901586812126237004

Thousands took to the streets of Hungary’s capital, Budapest, today in a massive opposition protest, demanding the resignation of pro-Russian PM Orbán.

Opposition leader Péter Magyar declared that those who betray their own nation “should end up in the dustbin of history.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1900975684304142483

 

[Vern]

Just in ...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1901721160514965900

Carney, Macron launch new bilteral partnership on intelligence and security

Carney also spoke with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy late Sunday and invited him to the G7 summit this summer, which Canada is hosting.

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[SouthAussie]

US to withdraw from group investigating Russian leadership for crimes against Ukraine, NYT reports.

The Hague-based International Center for the Prosecution of the Crime of Aggression against Ukraine is a judicial hub supporting national investigations into the crime of aggression committed by the Russian leadership, including President Vladimir Putin, and Moscow's allies against Ukraine.

So the US Govt appears not to be supportive of Putin being caught and prosecuted for stealing thousands of Ukraine children, for which Putin has already been designated as a War Criminal.

imo

 

[Stunned]

So the US Govt appears not to be supportive of Putin being caught and prosecuted for stealing thousands of Ukraine children, for which Putin has already been designated as a War Criminal.

imo

Of course not, we did the same thing with migrant children. We did God knows what with them them in #47s first go around. IMO

 

[sunshineray]

Go back to the 80's invasion of Grenada, the UN are ineffective imo and the US don't care.

Much different set of circumstances and aftermath, MO.

 

[PommyMommy]

I spoke with the President of Argentina @JMilei and expressed my condolences for the recent flood that claimed 16 lives and left thousands homeless. Ukraine is ready to help Argentina in protecting lives and providing necessary assistance.

I shared the details of the constructive meeting between the Ukrainian and American teams in Jeddah, during which Ukraine supported the U.S. proposal for an unconditional 30-day full interim ceasefire. Now, we see how Russia is setting absolutely unnecessary conditions and, in fact, rejecting this proposal. Moscow wants not peace, but the continuation of the war. Javier’s voice can help bring peace closer, and we are relying on him.

We also talked about strengthening bilateral relations, particularly in trade and economics, which will benefit both our countries.

Thank you for your support.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1901689900958675115

I spoke with President of France @EmmanuelMacron. As always, it was a very constructive conversation.

We discussed the results of the leaders’ online meeting that took place on Saturday. The coalition of countries willing to work with us to bring about a just and lasting peace is growing. This is very important.

Ukraine is ready for an unconditional 30-day ceasefire. However, for its implementation, Russia must stop setting conditions. We also spoke about this with President Macron.

Additionally, we talked about the work of our teams in formulating clear security guarantees. France’s position on this matter is very specific, and we fully support it. We continue to work and coordinate the next steps and contacts with our partners.

Thank you for all the efforts toward achieving peace as soon as possible.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1901727890342838451

 

[PommyMommy]

Tomorrow marks one week since the U.S. proposal for a ceasefire in the sky, at sea, and on the front lines has been on the table. The implementation of this proposal could have begun long ago. Every day in wartime is a matter of human lives.

Now, almost a week later, it’s clear to everyone in the world—even to those who refused to acknowledge the truth for the past three years—that it is Putin who continues to drag out this war. For a week now, Putin has been unable to squeeze out ‘yes’ to the ceasefire proposal. He’s saying whatever he wants, but not what the whole world wants to hear.

The unconditional ceasefire proposal is essentially about saving lives, allowing diplomats to work on ensuring security and a lasting peace—the proposal that Russia is ignoring. Pressure is needed to finally make Moscow accept that their war must be brought to an end.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1901734482639523936

EU plan to send over $40 billion in military aid has 'broad political support,' Kallas says.

The initiative to provide Ukraine with $43.6 billion in military aid has "broad political support" among EU member states, Kaja Kallas said.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1901695895017533611

Over 30 countries expected to contribute to UK-led 'coalition of the willing,' official says.

Over 30 countries are prepared to contribute to the "coalition of the willing" peacekeeping force to support Ukraine, U.K. Prime Minister Keir Starmer's spokesperson said on March 17.https://kyivindependent.com/more-than-30-countries-to-provide-troops-for-uk-led-ukraine-peacekeeping-force/

https://twitter.com/x/status/1901800520106352908