S.B.T.C. / Ransom Note Merged

[Beyond Belief]

COMPREHENSIVE TEST OF BASIC SKILLS (CTBS)

reversed lettering

 

[BBB167893]

"how many people here think the ramseys are guilty and the handwriting doesn't match"

You can count me in!

"does one's opinion of guilt make them find consistencies or inconsistencies in the analysis?"

it might. Handwriting's not an exact science.

"As for matching Patsy's writing, I'm not sure yet. Does anyone have a link to a clear example of Patsy's writing? Every link I've tried has been hard for me to see."

Your wish is my command!

I just happen to have two favorites here. I post them sometimes, but no one seems to read them (or if they do, they never speak about them). But the first time I saw these, it was one of the many things that made me switch from "Innocent" to "Guilty." They are the ACTUAL comparison charts between her wiritings and the ransom note:

http://www.acandyrose.com/w1.gif

and

http://www.acandyrose.com/w3.gif

Glad I could help!

"Here's a cached version of a page containing all kinds of samples from Patsy Ramsey. There are definite similarities, IMO, (although I remain in the innocent camp)."

Even Smit had to admit there were similarities. (However, he refused to examine or even read the conclusions of experts who fingered her as the writer. Mr. Professional! If he's so convinced of their innocence, why is he so afraid?)

"But realistically speaking, Patsy and John Ramsey are (and were) intelligent people. Why on Earth would either one of them put the exact amount in a ransom note if they wanted to throw off police?"

I'll tell you why! This one's quite easy! Follow me on this: to me, this eliminates John. he wouldn't put his own bonus on it. BUT, since this note is part of the crime scene staging, in light of the VARIOUS conflicting motives in the staging, it makes sense that the writer (Patsy, IMO) would put that in there to make it LOOK like a vengeful employee of John's. That make any sense? Anything anyone needs cleared up?

 

[Peter Hamilton]

Super Dave,those links comparing handwriting are even better than the links I just saw this morning--amazing similarities--and re the 118 grand,yes,that was just another red herring,trying to cast suspicion on one of John's co-workers

 

[BBB167893]

Thanks, Pete. I do my best.

Speaking of which: in the Ramseys' book, this showed up:

I also recognized that larger, better-financed companies were growing around us. Even though we were doing fine, I was afraid that unless we expanded, our company would soon be swallowed by the competition.

 

[bobbysmokes]

hi, IMHO,
#7's in JK's job app = flipped Cap F in ransom note
(see Foreign Faction line 3)
#3's in JK's job app = turned ccw Cap W in ransom note
( see We line 1, We line 3 )
Jk's 3's make a peak and a hump,the m's and w's in the ransom note also make a peak and a hump,when turned either counter or clockwise one quater turn,:twocents:

 

[Lurker Steve]

I think the exclamation points looking the same seals the deal.

:crazy:

 

[JBean]

hi, IMHO,
#7's in JK's job app = flipped Cap F in ransom note
(see Foreign Faction line 3)
#3's in JK's job app = turned ccw Cap W in ransom note
( see We line 1, We line 3 )
Jk's 3's make a peak and a hump,the m's and w's in the ransom note also make a peak and a hump,when turned either counter or clockwise one quater turn,:twocents:

welcome BobbyS

 

[panthera]

The images I have seen of that letter speak to me of someone painstakingly trying to distort their own handwriting.

JMO

It also appears to me that it was written by someone using the opposite hand. The printing is shaky, like they don't have as much control as they would with their dominant hand. It also looks like it could be Patsy's, more so than JMK.

As for the information contained in it, I don't see anything we've learned about JMK that would give him the information in the note, i.e. Ramsey's bonus $$. If JMK were sexually interested in JBR, why does he leave this lengthy, "foreign faction" ransom note? JMK might be "sick" but, pedophiles or child molesters normally don't leave this verbage behind. They just assault or abduct their victim and leave.

 

[JBean]

It also appears to me that it was written by someone using the opposite hand. The printing is shaky, like they don't have as much control as they would with their dominant hand. It also looks like it could be Patsy's, more so than JMK.

As for the information contained in it, I don't see anything we've learned about JMK that would give him the information in the note, i.e. Ramsey's bonus $$. If JMK were sexually interested in JBR, why does he leave this lengthy, "foreign faction" ransom note? JMK might be "sick" but, pedophiles or child molesters normally don't leave this verbage behind. They just assault or abduct their victim and leave.

The amount of the ransom is one big thing that leads me away from the Ramseys. I cannot imagine any thought process that would cause them to use that amount. Staging an entire murder scene and then using that dollar amount? Plus these are wealthy people and 118k would not represent a large amount of money to them, IMO. Not enough for ransom.
The bank teller knew how much the bonus was for and bank tellers have friends and they have friends. It was probably a lot of money to the teller, enough to comment on when they were out. The person that cut the check knew how much it was and they have friends.
That is one thing that doesn't fit into the whole Ramseys did it theory for me.

 

[panthera]

The amount of the ransom is one big thing that leads me away from the Ramseys. I cannot imagine any thought process that would cause them to use that amount. Staging an entire murder scene and then using that dollar amount? Plus these are wealthy people and 118k would not represent a large amount of money to them, IMO. Not enough for ransom.
The bank teller knew how much the bonus was for and bank tellers have friends and they have friends. It was probably a lot of money to the teller, enough to comment on when they were out. The person that cut the check knew how much it was and they have friends.
That is one thing that doesn't fit into the whole Ramseys did it theory for me.

You bring up a good point for excluding the Ramseys. The writer seems to know John Ramsey, perhaps is jealous of him, or is a worker who finally wants to control him. It just doesn't make sense that JMK would've written it. If he was in the house waiting for them to come home that night, you'd think he'd be in JBR's bedroom touching her clothes, her stuffed toys, etc. if he had a 'fascination' with her.

 

[JBean]

You bring up a good point for excluding the Ramseys. The writer seems to know John Ramsey, perhaps is jealous of him, or is a worker who finally wants to control him. It just doesn't make sense that JMK would've written it. If he was in the house waiting for them to come home that night, you'd think he'd be in JBR's bedroom touching her clothes, her stuffed toys, etc. if he had a 'fascination' with her.

True enough.

The problem with this whole case is nothing makes sense or comes together ,IMO This latest development with Karr just muddies the water a little more, IMO.

 

[panthera]

True enough.

The problem with this whole case is nothing makes sense or comes together ,IMO This latest development with Karr just muddies the water a little more, IMO.

I really hoped that when JMK was arrested, that he was the one responsible for murdering this beautiful little girl. I just haven't found anything yet that "connects the dots"! No one has even established he was in Colorado, right?

 

[JBean]

I really hoped that when JMK was arrested, that he was the one responsible for murdering this beautiful little girl. I just haven't found anything yet that "connects the dots"! No one has even established he was in Colorado, right?

he has placed himself in Colorado and no one has proved otherwise..YET.

 

[UKGuy]

Why bother analyzing the ransom note?

There was no kidnapping and no follow up telephone call. JonBenet's corpse was discovered in the basement, she had been sexually assaulted.

So the forensic evidence contradicts the rationale behind the ransom note, so any conclusions based on the ransom note may be of no value.

So was it a wannabe kidnapper, who was really a pedophile, unable to control himself, so decided to molest JonBenet, then stage a crime-scene implicating both parents via forensic evidence e.g. fibers?


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[panthera]

he has placed himself in Colorado and no one has proved otherwise..YET.

I was going by what the ex-wife had said. But thinking about it, how can she prove exactly what day pictures were taken? Date stamp on a camera could be off, if the camera even had one. Normally around Christmas, we take pictures on several days ~ Christmas Eve, Christmas Day with open presents, etc. The only thing would be a picture of him opening presents with his kids on Christmas morning, but still he could've flown to Colorado later that day.

 

[JBean]

I was going by what the ex-wife had said. But thinking about it, how can she prove exactly what day pictures were taken? Date stamp on a camera could be off, if the camera even had one. Normally around Christmas, we take pictures on several days ~ Christmas Eve, Christmas Day with open presents, etc. The only thing would be a picture of him opening presents with his kids on Christmas morning, but still he could've flown to Colorado later that day.

At this time,she has not produced any exonerating photos as promised. Last I heard he may have been traveling to the brothers house wihthout her or something like that. Either which way, at this point, no one has been able to put him anywhere else just yet. It is still early and this guy looks pretty nutty.

 

[panthera]

Why bother analyzing the ransom note?

There was no kidnapping and no follow up telephone call. JonBenet's corpse was discovered in the basement, she had been sexually assaulted.

So the forensic evidence contradicts the rationale behind the ransom note, so any conclusions based on the ransom note may be of no value.

So was it a wannabe kidnapper, who was really a pedophile, unable to control himself, so decided to molest JonBenet, then stage a crime-scene implicating both parents via forensic evidence e.g. fibers?


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If the DNA matches, the ransom note is an "extra" piece of evidence. I believe the discussion is whether or not his handwriting matches it. My comment was mainly that the "note" doesn't fit in with most child molestation cases.

 

[scandi]

he has placed himself in Colorado and no one has proved otherwise..YET.

Bean, did you see that Wudge posted that Karr was in Colorado, like it was a sure thing. Wudge is such a stickler for the facts, that I wish he'd let us know what led him to this conclusion.

Wudge


Scandi

 

[JBean]

Bean, did you see that Wudge posted that Karr was in Colorado, like it was a sure thing. Wudge is such a stickler for the facts, that I wish he'd let us know what led him to this conclusion.

Wudge


Scandi

hey Scandi..No,I did not see that. I do agree that Wudge's facts are to be respected.

 

[windovervocalcords]

If the DNA matches, the ransom note is an "extra" piece of evidence. I believe the discussion is whether or not his handwriting matches it. My comment was mainly that the "note" doesn't fit in with most child molestation cases.

One of the first things we notice is that this is a very long ransom note. Most ransom notes are short and to the point. "We have your kid and she is safe. It will cost you $400,000 to get her back. Do not call the police. We will be contacting you." This ransom note was written on three pieces of paper. This is our first clue this note may be bogus.

As we read the ransom note, we find it doesn't make much sense. Line #2, "We are a group of individuals." What exactly does the writer mean by "group of individuals?" Every group is comprised of individuals. That's what makes it a group. Is the writer telling us despite being a group, they maintain their individuality? Most of the year they live separate lives, but everyone once in a while they come together to kidnap a child?

"We respect your bussiness but not the country that it serves." Are we to believe that JonBenet was kidnapped and then murdered because someone has a hatred for the United States? Most people would agree this crime is not an international incident.

The writer also states in lines #2 and #3 that they "represent a small foreign faction." The use of the word "foreign" doesn't make sense. Even if to us they are foreigners, they wouldn't call themselves foreigners. They are not foreigners to themselves. They would tell us, "We are the Islamic Jihad."

The writer misspells two common words in lines #4 and #5, "business" and "possessions." However, the writer correctly spells the words "deviation" and "attache" even including the accent on the word "attach".
In lines #4 and #5, the writer tells us "...we have your daughter in our possession." Remember that the shortest way to say something is the best way to state it. A true kidnapper would have said, "We have your daughter." he." This leads us to believe the writer purposefully misspelled these two words.

I love this guy's work. More at link.
http://www.statementanalysis.com/ramseynote/