S.B.T.C. / Ransom Note Merged

[julianne]

How did he keep Jonbenet quiet after stun-gunning her?


What I really came to ask, though - is, how did the "kidnapper" know that pen and paper were going to be easily found in the house, so that he didn't have to bring his own?

"He" certainly had a lot to say: you would think he'd make sure he had the materials to say it with.

Looking around my own house, I have cups of pens but you'd have to go shuffling through desks to find a large pad of paper.

What was he going to do if he wasn't able to find pens and paper?

Maybe it's possible that origninally, the intruder DIDN'T go there with the intent to kidnap/kill JonBenet. Maybe he was just casing the place out in order to rob them. He goes in after seeing they have left, and he has literally hours to meander through the house. He sees all these photos of JonBenet and THEN decides that he is going to change his plan, and lays in wait until they arrive home. During this time, maybe he decides he wants to kidnap her, writes the ransom note, and then, for whatever reasonl, she is killed in the basement during the sexual assault. I know it's a stretch, and I know that not all robbers are pedophiliac killers, but if your already dealing with someone who exhibits criminalistic behavior...

It also may be possible that I am spending entirely too much time on WS and need to go clean my house!!

 

[JBean]

Maybe it's possible that origninally, the intruder DIDN'T go there with the intent to kidnap/kill JonBenet. Maybe he was just casing the place out in order to rob them. He goes in after seeing they have left, and he has literally hours to meander through the house. He sees all these photos of JonBenet and THEN decides that he is going to change his plan, and lays in wait until they arrive home. During this time, maybe he decides he wants to kidnap her, writes the ransom note, and then, for whatever reasonl, she is killed in the basement during the sexual assault. I know it's a stretch, and I know that not all robbers are pedophiliac killers, but if your already dealing with someone who exhibits criminalistic behavior...

It also may be possible that I am spending entirely too much time on WS and need to go clean my house!!

I was with you all the way up until the very end.

 

[i.b.nora]

You too can be a handwriting analyst.

According to Don Lehew's resume he has:

These books in his Professional Library:

• Questioned Documents by Albert S. Osborn
• The Problem of Proof by Albert S. Osborn
• Scientific Examination of Questioned Documents by Ordway Hilton
• Criminalistic Survey of Arabian Handwriting by Moh'd Ali Said Alhaidawi
• Principles of Forensic Handwriting Identification and
• Testimony by Edward J. Smith
• Forensic Examination of Ink and Paper by Richard L. Brunelle
• The Dictionary of Paper by The American Paper Institute
• Forensic Document Examination Protocol-and Procedures by Shirley Prentice
• Basics for the Questioned Document Examiner by Dr. Mary Lynn Bryden
• The Questioned Document Examiner and the Justice System by Ray Walker
• Handwriting Identification by Ray Huber and A.M. Headrick

And, he has these items in his Professional Laboratory:

• A Florescent light table manufactured by Logan Electric Spec., Mfg. Co.
• A copy machine
• A photo stereo 6 Leica Zoom 8X Microscope
• A quantum source double, variable intensity, halogen light with 2-20watt bulbs.
• J.P. 2600 Javelin 480 line high resolution printer.
• Various plastic ruler set in metrics
• Various plastic see-through grid charts used in determining size, shape, spacing and proportion, height and slant of handwriting examples
• Hand-held lighted magnifying glass 8X
• Lighted overhead flexible magnifying lens 4X
• Lighted 30X magnifying glass
• Engineering compass
• Protractor used in determining the slant specifics of handwriting
• 35mm Canon Photographic equipment

Toss in a few Professional Seminars, and buy a few things from the Handwriting University International and you too can be a handwriting analyst.

Sorry, I don't buy this guy's opinion on Karr handwriting.

 

[JBean]

You too can be a handwriting analyst.

According to Don Lehew's resume he has:

These books in his Professional Library:

• Questioned Documents by Albert S. Osborn
• The Problem of Proof by Albert S. Osborn
• Scientific Examination of Questioned Documents by Ordway Hilton
• Criminalistic Survey of Arabian Handwriting by Moh'd Ali Said Alhaidawi
• Principles of Forensic Handwriting Identification and
• Testimony by Edward J. Smith
• Forensic Examination of Ink and Paper by Richard L. Brunelle
• The Dictionary of Paper by The American Paper Institute
• Forensic Document Examination Protocol-and Procedures by Shirley Prentice
• Basics for the Questioned Document Examiner by Dr. Mary Lynn Bryden
• The Questioned Document Examiner and the Justice System by Ray Walker
• Handwriting Identification by Ray Huber and A.M. Headrick

And, he has these items in his Professional Laboratory:

• A Florescent light table manufactured by Logan Electric Spec., Mfg. Co.
• A copy machine
• A photo stereo 6 Leica Zoom 8X Microscope
• A quantum source double, variable intensity, halogen light with 2-20watt bulbs.
• J.P. 2600 Javelin 480 line high resolution printer.
• Various plastic ruler set in metrics
• Various plastic see-through grid charts used in determining size, shape, spacing and proportion, height and slant of handwriting examples
• Hand-held lighted magnifying glass 8X
• Lighted overhead flexible magnifying lens 4X
• Lighted 30X magnifying glass
• Engineering compass
• Protractor used in determining the slant specifics of handwriting
• 35mm Canon Photographic equipment

Toss in a few Professional Seminars, and buy a few things from the Handwriting University International and you too can be a handwriting analyst.

Sorry, I don't buy this guy's opinion on Karr handwriting.

Well, you have to admit he does have the engineering compass.

 

[Eagle1]

He put "Catholic" on some application he had filled out. Maybe his parents were Catholic but grandparents are Protestant? Or maybe he's not Catholic at all. Who knows with him?

Seems his parents were Catholic and his grandparents that he went to live with were Baptist, his grandfather a Baptist minister. Would such a change somehow cause such a change in him or was he already a problem child?

I looked up Exodus 7 on the internet and verse 1 is about God telling Moses Pharoah is going to be plagued to get the Israelites out of Egypt. There's something about making Moses a God to them and (Aaron?) someone his prophet. I didn't read the rest of the chapter.

Manson talked about a world "Helter Skelter", whitey fighting blackie, a race war, according to Bugliosi's book, that sounds like the Apocalypse of prophecy. Might there be someone who perverted scriptures to both this guy and Charles Manson and all the assassins? JMK looks so much like Oswald since one of the pictures on TV, and come to think of it, maybe he even resembles Sirhan, in a way. Big stretch, I know. Just about 2 cents' worth. Could all these things be connected somehow to another madman who's more secretive, lets his proxies do the acting out? Can convince them they're doing a good thing?

 

[BirdieBoo]

Seems his parents were Catholic and his grandparents that he went to live with were Baptist, his grandfather a Baptist minister. Would such a change somehow cause such a change in him or was he already a problem child?

I looked up Exodus 7 on the internet and verse 1 is about God telling Moses Pharoah is going to be plagued to get the Israelites out of Egypt. There's something about making Moses a God to them and (Aaron?) someone his prophet. I didn't read the rest of the chapter.

Manson talked about a world "Helter Skelter", whitey fighting blackie, a race war, according to Bugliosi's book, that sounds like the Apocalypse of prophecy. Might there be someone who perverted scriptures to both this guy and Charles Manson and all the assassins? JMK looks so much like Oswald since one of the pictures on TV, and come to think of it, maybe he even resembles Sirhan, in a way. Big stretch, I know. Just about 2 cents' worth. Could all these things be connected somehow to another madman who's more secretive, lets his proxies do the acting out? Can convince them they're doing a good thing?

Personalizing the bible (or any other mainstream or made -up religion) to oneself in a strange and twisted way is a very common sign of a sick mind. David Koresh and Jim Jones come immediately to mind as a couple of examples.

 

[narlacat]

so how is it that the sneezing factory workers DNA also got under the fingernails of JBR? there is a report that states that the two were a match. No before you tell me my reports was wrong....there is just a big of chance that your report that said it was not a match is wrong.soooooo, we're stuck with dueling experts again.

Check the seperating fact from fiction thread kcksum.
The DNA under her fingernails was not a match with the DNA in the underwear.

 

[wenchie]

Personalizing the bible (or any other mainstream or made -up religion) to oneself in a strange and twisted way is a very common sign of a sick mind. David Koresh and Jim Jones come immediately to mind as a couple of examples.

Patsy Ramsey is another

 

[Pepper]

Check the seperating fact from fiction thread kcksum.
The DNA under her fingernails was not a match with the DNA in the underwear.

According to the program on Court TV last night, it was a match. In fact the program said that the second blood spot in the panties was known to the Boulder PD for 3 years and they said nothing.

The whole problem with the case is all the conflicting information out there. You can believe your experts, and I can find just as many sources to contradict them.

 

[narlacat]

Yes, opinions differ.
That's the first I've heard they were a match though.

 

[RJML]

A lot of that evidence is disputed, we should remember.

I've looked at the window photo, and there's no disturbance to speak of. Plus, an unbroken spider web was there.

The stun gun is far from proven. Most pathologists say there wasn't one.

I could go on for a while.

Have you ever seen how quick spiders can make webs? I have a spider outside my backyard door and I can bust its web and then the spider in a few hours will have a new one.

 

[wenchie]

In December?

 

[narlacat]

Yeah but not this particular spider though RJML, I will try and find a thread here that talks about it.
Don't hold your breath though lol, could take a while.

 

[JBean]

Have you ever seen how quick spiders can make webs? I have a spider outside my backyard door and I can bust its web and then the spider in a few hours will have a new one.

Man that is the absolute truth. I pulled my car into the garage today, i came out a little while later and that spider had spun a web right across my steering wheel.

 

[wenchie]

You have spiders that spin webs when it's 20 to 30 degrees outside?

 

[JBean]

You have spiders that spin webs when it's 20 to 30 degrees outside?

Gosh I think so. I had a cabin in Big Bear and it would get much colder than that. It was always covered in webs.

ETA: I have no idea if spiders are active in winter, I only know that my house was constantly full of webs all year long.

 

[narlacat]

Have you ever seen how quick spiders can make webs? I have a spider outside my backyard door and I can bust its web and then the spider in a few hours will have a new one.

Well, I've done a quick search and can't find what I'm looking for.

Bluecrab was the one that did the research, maybe he can shed some light on this for you.

Or alternatively you can search through Bluecrab's posts till you come across the ones about the spider.

 

[JBean]

Well, I've done a quick search and can't find what I'm looking for.

Bluecrab was the one that did the research, maybe he can shed some light on this for you.

Or alternatively you can search through Bluecrab's posts till you come across the ones about the spider.

Is this research regarding spider activity in winter in Colorado? If so, what did it say?

 

[narlacat]

Yes.
But I can't remember all the details, that's why I'm trying to find Bluecrabs posts about it.
Some spider expert was consulted, Opell or something like that..

 

[JBean]

Yes, it is.

Let me guess...they don't come out and play in the winter? I will believe you.