Australia Samantha Murphy, 51, last seen leaving her property to go for a run in the Canadian State Forest, Ballarat 100km NW of Melbourne, 4 Feb 2024 #2

[OptimusLime]

We still don't know about the personal side of the family and business. The police would have everyone under notice, until there is concrete evidence and they find her. Was it a happy marriage, were there any AVOs. Were any threats made on the business, including relatives etc. Did she have a medical episode in the bush ? But you would think the police would have found her by now If that was the case. The police were after any CCTV and dash cam between 7am and 7pm, even if Samantha wasn't in it. It is strange that no one has seen her out jogging that morning, as there would have been people around

Business side- have looked into, it's all public mate
AVO matter of public record

 

[CoffeeHug]

I think it’s time MM did another press conference, if he’s not begging the police to let him do one , people will be asking why.
The family have gone very quiet, seems unfair to let a presumably old uncle and aunt front up.
If MM won’t do one, doesnt he or SM have siblings who could step up?

A press conference for what purpose? Maybe they have been told not to? We don't know what is happening in the investigation. Maybe there is nothing new to add? Maybe they just want their privacy at a difficult time? Unless there is something they think the public can contribute from a conference, they don't owe us anything.

 

[DK007]

Terrible journalism if they are still publishing this …???? What date was this published ??? The case has moved on so far from this information …

10 February Ballarat News Team

 

[Deleted member 293720]

Business side- have looked into, it's all public mate
AVO matter of public record

I am sure the normal things are, talking about private matters and AVO is not a public record

 

[OptimusLime]

I am sure the normal things are, talking about private matters and AVO is not

I am sure the normal things are, talking about private matters and AVO is not a public record

Yes, it is, the matter will appear before the court:
It will state Apprehended Violence Order Application, John Doe, for John Doe vs. John Smith.
It will have case number, date, time, jurisdiction, presiding officer, location, court room.
Names will be suppressed only if granted by magistrate. NB, the court lists in the jurisdiction are a matter for public record.

 

[Hats]

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The police were after any CCTV and dash cam between 7am and 7pm, even if Samantha wasn't in it. It is strange that no one has seen her out jogging that morning, as there would have been people around

It would have only taken her 2 or 3 mins to jog from her driveway lane to the start of the bush track.

 

[Hats]

100% on board with this Hats. Kidnap or I think more likely accident and cover up, someone driving fast through the trails, either joyriding in a stolen car taking it to burn. We’ve heard it’s a common resting place for stolen cars.

I was going to say not likely a hit and run cover-up, but thinking about it more, there would likely in this scenario be signs of a fresh disturbance and blood splatter. If police have found this scene with no body, then they would know that SM was taken from the area.

It could explain why the police know that she definitely left the house for a run and also why they want to know about any car seen around the area (on the trail or on either side of the trails?) during the window of time.

 

[Deleted member 293720]

Yes, it is, the matter will appear before the court:
It will state Apprehended Violence Order Application, John Doe, for John Doe vs. John Smith.
It will have case number, date, time, jurisdiction, presiding officer, location, court room.
Names will be suppressed only if granted by magistrate. NB, the court lists in the jurisdiction are a matter for public record.

You can inquire through police checks. Australia has strict privacy laws, so you can only get a copy of your own criminal record. If you want to know if someone else has been convicted of a crime, you can't look at their record unless you are a business or an employer.

 

[Annamarie777]

My first post.

The main trail through there can take vehicle traffic. It is an unsealed track like road, but surprisingly can be viewed with Google's street view. Vehicle traffic is probably mostly for sight seeing and picnics, as there are main roads that can much more easily get to the other sides of these trails i.e not much thru traffic. They would be ideal for walks and running, as it seems SM has been taking advantage of each day.

I think it is a likely possibility she was kidnapped by someone driving through this trail as vehicle traffic would likely be very quite, particularly at this time in the morning, and would have better opportunity to bundle her into a boot (trunk for some countries) and no one to here her screams. It could be opportunistic, but I think more likely her routine via this track was know to the perpetrator.

Why would someone kidnap her? Aren’t there other people running and walking there commonly?

 

[Poirot's niece]

Re the vicpol air search today. I haven't found any media reports so far. Anyone else seen anything? Wondering if perhaps they were responding to intel about someone returning to a suspicious scene. Rather noisy way to do it, but the quickest way to determine if something on the ground has changed.

 

[Liadan]

Samantha Murphy's disappearance 'suspicious', says Victoria's Chief Commissioner Shane Patton​

Missing mum Samantha Murphy's disappearance is suspicious but police have 'no leads', says chief

Chief Commissioner Shane Patton says there was very little for police to go on in the early stages of the investigation into missing Ballarat mother Samantha Murphy and admits police have "no leads" in the baffling case.

www.abc.net.au

 

[BreakingNews]

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PolAir is often in the air in certain areas in Qld. Usually tracking stolen cars or detecting meth labs.

 

[Poirot's niece]

Police chopper up again, appears to be heading west.I'm new to the air tracking so I don't know if its destination can be determined. Photo file to large to load. Link below.
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Now it appears to be chucking a U-ey in the air.

 

[borderline444]

If thats a wicking singlet it breathes well. I think there are areas that appear darker/clingier from sweat. Around the collarbones and the singlet strap over the shoulder. Apart from that the photo quality is very flat and washed out so hard to see sweat on the skin.
The top is airy around the waist/hips, good airflow.

Also, if she has done a run-down-walk process a lot of sweat may have evaporated. Perhaps only the back of the neck and hair would be damp. And probably around her tummy and seat of the leggings which are black and we can't see anyway as obscured by the singlet top.
If she's wearing a sports/running bra they also breathe and wick sweat away well. Her back maybe sweaty too but we can't see that.

I wouldn't assume the photo is immediately after a decent run. Runners walk around, potter, they don't just stop suddenly, well not the runners I know. She doesn't look too puffed. She is long term fit, despite fairly recent covid. That kind of conditioning means her warm downs are quite pleasant, especially if she hasn't fanged it the whole way but done intense pace and interval surges. A very fit person jogging at a leisurely tempo isn't always going to be drenched.

I wasnt talking about her clothing!

I am wondering if the photo of her carrying the dog poop was taken on the same day she disappeared, because she didnt take the dogs with her.

 

[Hats]

Why would someone kidnap her? Aren’t there other people running and walking there commonly?

First question- others have already posted various possible reasons.

Second question, I am just surmising but I don't know. Maybe someone local to the area could answer?

 

[OptimusLime]

Yes, it is, the matter will appear before the court:
It will state Apprehended Violence Order Application, John Doe, for John Doe vs. John Smith.
It will have case number, date, time, jurisdiction, presiding officer, location, court room.
Names will be suppressed only if granted by magistrate. NB, the court lists in the jurisdiction are a matter for public record.

You can inquire through police checks. Australia has strict privacy laws, so you can only get a copy of your own criminal record. If you want to know if someone else has been convicted of a crime, you can't look at their record unless you are a business or an employer.

Nifty, I'm well and truly aware of this, once AVO is granted it is only available as per above. However, the hearing for same is a matter of public record. The person's name is under daily court list- depending on state.

 

[Poirot's niece]

I wasnt talking about her clothing!

I am wondering if the photo of her carrying the dog poop was taken on the same day she disappeared, because she didnt take the dogs with her.

I thought I was replying to whoever was posting about her not being sweaty in that photo. My apologies.

 

[Naobh]

I wasnt talking about her clothing!

I am wondering if the photo of her carrying the dog poop was taken on the same day she disappeared, because she didnt take the dogs with her.

Earlier someone was talking about how their own morning routine is, let the dogs outside, get ready, pick up from their own backyard, then go out for their jog without the dogs.

 

[Deleted member 293720]

Based on reading the discussion, as well as a few news stories, the basics are that she left the house at 7 AM for a 14 km run. She was expected home around 9 AM. The family was concerned when she did not return on time, and contacted police soon after. Please correct if I'm mistaken.

Rather than focus on whether she left the house, why not accept what police have said: she left the house. That puts her near her driveway and Eureka St at 7 AM.

Then she vanished into thin air and, at this time, there's no evidence telling investigators which direction she went next. However, she's has a regular running routine from the house at 7 AM to the park trails, where she routinely runs 10-20 km. Map of nearby trails. She isn't on the road very long before reaching the park, but searches suggest that she is not at the park.

Her phone pinged 10 hours later, 11 km away, at a golf course. I have not seen any other ping information. I am curious about smart watch data.

All CCTV trace of her vanished at the end of her driveway or on Eureka. Since she's not there or at the park, that means she was voluntarily or involuntarily taken in a vehicle to another location.

The driver of that vehicle might have turned on her phone at 5 PM for some reason, or accidentally.

OPINION: Sounds like a random stalker that she was unaware of - someone who saw her jogging early in the morning. Perhaps this happened on a Sunday, rather than a weekday, for a reason. Perhaps someone saw her, noticed her routine, got the wrong idea, planned for a day off work, and now she cannot be found.

The harder it's getting to find her, looks more suspicious

 

[JLZ]

Police chopper up again, appears to be heading west.I'm new to the air tracking so I don't know if its destination can be determined. Photo file to large to load. Link below.
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Now it appears to be chucking a U-ey in the air.

It looks like a yacht race, circling buoys.