SC - Columbia - Sheriff Slams Female Student to Floor In Class - #2

[K_Z]

I don't think it should have even gotten to that point but if it did get to the point where the teacher just had to be separated from the student, for whatever his personal reasons were, I think it would have been better to just tell Suzie, "Okay Suzie you don't want to leave then we will; you can sit here until the bell rings for dismissal." Then the teacher could have walked the other students to the library or cafeteria or commons and then gone to the office and filed the appropriate paperwork to make sure Suzie doesn't return the next day.

Thanks. To be clear, I don't think a teacher should EVER do that procedure you described-- leave a disruptive student alone in a classroom. That would be an enormous problem on a number of administrative levels, and get the teacher fired pretty fast, IMO. It could lead to a very bad outcome for the disruptive student as well.

Specifically, I think the other kids should have been directed to leave when the vice principal arrived. Then the teacher could have stayed with the disruptive student along with a witness/ vice principal, or the VP could have sent her to go along with the rest of the students out of the classroom.

 

[vestigare]

If you get fired you get to stay home with your suspended kid! Win-win.

Why didn't I think of that?

After all a kid who gets suspended must have horrible parents anyway and they don't deserve a job. LOL

 

[DexterMorgan]

Did I miss something? If not, no, the teacher and principal were not suspended. And why would they be??

Scrolling past the victim thing, but in passing will say IMO it is a total disgrace that she was not suspended.

Idk. I think the viral video of her extraction was enough. She should sue the school for allowing that to be taped and released. Jmo

It's bad enough the classroom seen it. But now the world?

 

[vestigare]

You know the story about the scorpion? I think it applies here. If you put a cop in a school you need to know he will behave like a cop.

JMO.

When you are a hammer everything looks like a nail.

 

[kimlynn]

She's just exercising her right of free speech, standing up for what's right, and questioning authority in a healthy way.

You were asked for a link by another poster and used my post in your link. My post did NOT say she was standing up for what is right.
My post said standing up for what you THINK is right.

 

[bluesneakers]

You do understand this school is in South Carolina correct?
The student to teacher ratio at South Valley Richland 02 High School is 17:1

Wow. That's really low. What's the total student body, do you know?

 

[bluesneakers]

Idk. I think the viral video of her extraction was enough. She should sue the school for allowing that to be taped and released. Jmo

It's bad enough the classroom seen it. But now the world?

I hope she gets enough money to cover tuition for four years at Duke.

 

[Hope4More]

His toolkit is going to get him a nice lawsuit. The supreme court has affirmed that we have the right to protest police action and speak in any manner you wish to a police officer short of threatening him.
It does not matter one iota if the cop doesn't find it helpful or nice or whatever. The first amendment is not for protecting speech that is only helpful, non hysteric, at the right time or anything else. It is for protecting even speech you don't like.

Well, I'd be interested in watching a case like that play out. The offending bystander was an underaged child, on school property, in a classroom, and was disturbing the classroom with her dismay. Under SC law, she was in fact obligated to obey the police officer, or be subject to arrest for disruption. There are no clauses in related SC code that make exceptions for students who object to what the cop was doing.

A cop cannot order an adult bystander on the street to pipe down, no. Can an SRO arrest a teacher for protesting the manhandling of a student? Hmm.

 

[ohreally]

The girls both returned to school with no suspensions. It was the teacher and the administrator who were suspended over the incident, not the student’s.

Which is exactly the way it should be, Because as much as some of the victim blamers in this forum would like to see it, we don’t punish victims. The criminal charges will eventually be dropped against them too, for the same reason.

Students in Spring Valley Incident Allowed to Return to Class

Link please.
The only articles I can find state that the VP is on paid leave, and that the teacher is not on leave. Only stating that there is a substitute teacher for that class. It is possible he is teaching all of his other classes.
http://www.thestate.com/news/local/article42069354.html

 

[vestigare]

Thanks. To be clear, I don't think a teacher should EVER do that procedure you described-- leave a disruptive student alone in a classroom. That would be an enormous problem on a number of administrative levels, and get the teacher fired pretty fast, IMO. It could lead to a very bad outcome for the disruptive student as well.

Specifically, I think the other kids should have been directed to leave when the vice principal arrived. Then the teacher could have stayed with the disruptive student along with a witness/ vice principal, or the VP could have sent her to go along with the rest of the students out of the classroom.

Why can't a student be alone? They go to the bathroom alone....
Leave the room, leave the door open. Send the other kids to wherever and then tell the Admin. They can go to the room.

 

[EllieBee]

This is an excellent idea. Ownership works, ime and imo.

I have seen classroom models (in middle school) where at the start of the year, the students are given the task of coming up with a list of rules for their classroom. They spitball, debate, refine and eventually come up with a set of standards they agree to live by.

I wish I had had such an experience! I thought is was AMAZING!

Also, if you have never read about the World Peace Game designed by teacher John Hunter, it is amazing.
http://www.worldpeacegame.org/world-peacegame-foundation/about-the-game

 

[Hope4More]

Idk. I think the viral video of her extraction was enough. She should sue the school for allowing that to be taped and released. Jmo

It's bad enough the classroom seen it. But now the world?

Lol. She should sue the school for allowing other students to use their cell phones?

 

[KaaBoom]

Did I miss something? If not, no, the teacher and principal were not suspended. And why would they be??

Scrolling past the victim thing, but in passing will say IMO it is a total disgrace that she was not suspended.

Read the link I posted. They were suspended.

Meanwhile, a substitute teacher is now in that classroom where the incident happened and an administrator in the school is on paid leave over the situation.

Students in Spring Valley Incident Allowed to Return to Class

Recap:

SRO: Fired
Administrator: Suspended (paid leave).
Teacher: Removed from classroom.
Students: No school discipline. Criminal charges will almost certainly be dropped eventually.

 

[katydid23]

You do understand this school is in South Carolina correct?
The student to teacher ratio at South Valley Richland 02 High School is 17:1

Did I ever say there were 35 students in that particular class?

I was referring to teachers, in general, having to teach 35 students in a room. It was an example, not a specific reference to this class. And I don't see any reason the exact number would affect anything I stated about this situation.

 

[vestigare]

You were asked for a link by another poster and used my post in your link. My post did NOT say she was standing up for what is right.
My post said standing up for what you THINK is right.

Yes, I was misquoted and wrongly linked as well....

 

[katydid23]

Why can't a student be alone? They go to the bathroom alone....
Leave the room, leave the door open. Send the other kids to wherever and then tell the Admin. They can go to the room.

The teachers are strictly prohibited from leaving a student alone in a classroom.

 

[EllieBee]

It is very hard to get a child suspended for a public school. If this student had refused to give up her phone, the teacher could not have her suspended. and when the VP came to class, he would not have been able to suspend her. It takes a lot of get a student suspended. Usually an act of violence or a large theft. Someone stole a phone from another student at my kids school and they did not get suspended. Just detention.

That tells me that using a cell phone in class ought not to be a suspendible offense. Actually, I did not need your post to tell me that, lol. It is common sense. But I appreciate your post just the same!

Acts of violence or theft? Yep. There ya go.

 

[sorrell skye]

I don't see her being choked either. His hand is below her throat, at the bottom of the neck, top of her chest.

There is a difference between an air chokehold and a blood chokehold.

In an air chokehold, the airway is compressed.

In a blood chokehold, the carotid artery (which supplies blood to the brain) is compressed, which can lead to cerebral ischemia, resulting in unconsciousness in mere seconds and brain damage or death if held longer.

The hold that the SRO used against the student (as is depicted in the video) is, IMO, a blood chokehold.

A blood chokehold is a very dangerous maneuver because not only can it lead to rapid unconsciousness, it can also cause brain damage and death.

Any chokehold maneuver that cuts off (or has the potential to cut off) the blood supply to the brain should NEVER be a tactic used in any classroom as a means to enforce so-called discipline or as a response to nonviolent student behavior.

That is so far beyond the line of so-called discipline that the line isn't even visible anymore.

 

[vestigare]

Wow. That's really low. What's the total student body, do you know?

Student body is 2000 and the teachers are 118.

 

[EllieBee]

The teachers are strictly prohibited from leaving a student alone in a classroom.

At that school? Really? Do you have a link? I never heard of that.