SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #15

[Montjoy]

Hatfield, use dowsing rods, they are very effective tools for locating anything buried.

I'm sure we would all wish this to be true, but there has never been any scientific evidence to suggest that dowsing for anything is more effective than chance. It's a myth, and dowsing has absolutely no credibility.

e.g.,
Whittaker, William E. "Grave Dowsing Reconsidered". Office of the State Archaeologist, University of Iowa. Retrieved 17 June 2013. http://www.uiowa.edu/~osa/burials/Dowsing.pdf

 

[Advocate1]

Did they make a recent update? The article from Rhodes states that no cause has been rules out, though some explanations are less likely than others. I am just confused because I have been lurking over the last several days and I thought I read that it was not sex trafficking or that she ran away. Rhodes stated, nothing has been ruled out. Unless there is something new and I can't find it, which is a possibility.

"No cause for Elvis’ disappearance has been totally ruled out, though some explanations are less likely than others. For instance, investigators don’t think human trafficking is tied to Elvis’ disappearance. They also don’t think she ran away."

And yes, she does say this isn't random, that could mean any possibility as well.

This confuses me as well, "For instance, police strongly believe that some time in the early morning hours of Dec. 18, Elvis drove herself to the Peachtree Boat Landing in Socastee."

So they "strongly believe," didn't it say somewhere they were certain or was it assumed that this meant they were certain? I thought I read they were certain. Strongly believe and certain mean two different things. I strongly believed the Broncos were going to win the Super Bowl and they did not.

http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_ada6ad1c-8f77-11e3-8ca7-001a4bcf6878.html?mode=jqm

I have no reason to doubt LE in this case so I take what they say at face value. I wouldnt expect them to be publically confirming anything as being absouletly certain at this point. Why would they do that? Without making an arrest? They are very aware of the public pressure to solve the case.
LE doesnt have to say anything so the fact that they put that info out there as to what they believe and dont believe says a lot. Lets just hope unlike your superbowl belief they have some hard evidence to back it up. I dont see them makimg those statements unless they did. That was my point. I am sure that they came to their conclusion regardjng HE abd their belief she drove herself the boat landing after analysising all the private communication. I take that as they have evidence HE made plans to meet someone that morning. I certainly dont think they "strongly belief" anything without some hard evidence to back it up. Like I said though it not about what they belief, its about what they can prove. Hope that answers your question.

 

[ShaShaGa]

Could HE have thought this and skipped town? We all (general public) have tried to explain why/how she would leave on her own without contacting her family. If she thought her life was in danger she might not have thought she had another choice. That is a good perspective!

I can only hope that this will be the case ! Just not feeling it .

 

[PeterThomasFan]

O/T (???): Nothing new on suspicious device/person from last night!

Not sure about J. Reuben booking info either. Charges not listed yet for a 47yo WM booked in at 2am. <INCORRECT>

http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/24720373/horry-county-police-investigate-suspicious-device

Google Map - HWY 544 and Carolina Bays Pkwy (31)

BBM WITH UPDATE

22-year-old Conway man was arrested Thursday night after Highway 544 was shut down near Highway 31 while police detonated several explosive devices found on the man, a Horry County Police report states.

UPDATE: HCPD: Officer finds explosive device on Conway man walking on Hwy 544

 

[eileenhawkeye]

IMO, yes, I believe they try to sweep things of this nature under the rug- $$$$ talks and it's very sad when the importance of a person's life if diminished for such purpose ! IMO, this is NOT a random/unknown perp as some of the previous missing cases( an astronomical amount IMO that have gone unsolved)however,I don't believe that matters to the $$$$ makers- it seems to be a very unsafe place with way more crime than I would want to be exposed to-I have been there but many years ago- going to a place that has this much unsolved crime of males and females just isn't my idea of a vacation resort !!! If it were my child, I would buy every billboard in the area til my money ran out! I would NEVER STOP. !!!!!'JMO

When I think about it, it wouldn't be that hard to make sure tourists are not aware of case. First, billboards probably cost an astronomical amount in the tourist areas, and are probably all booked for the season. Hotels probably already have a policy of not giving out fliers to guests. There might already be laws about businesses in the area not displaying fliers (I've never been there). And if those laws don't exist, then maybe MB is already blanketed in fliers advertising all sorts of things so Heather's won't stand out. And by the time summer comes around, the case will be a few months old, likely with little happening, and not much for the media to report on.

 

[margarita25]

I haven't heard of any new developments, unfortunately !:banghead::banghead:

Thank you ShaShaGa :seeya:

 

[hockeymom4]

I have no reason to doubt LE in this case so I take what they say at face value. I wouldnt expect them to be publically confirming anything as being absouletly certain at this point. Why would they do that? Without making an arrest? They are very aware of the public pressure to solve the case.
LE doesnt have to say anything so the fact that they put that info out there as to what they believe and dont believe says a lot. Lets just hope unlike your superbowl belief they have some hard evidence to back it up. I dont see them makimg those statements unless they did. That was my point. I am sure that they came to their conclusion regardjng HE abd their belief she drove herself the boat landing after analysising all the private communication. I take that as they have evidence HE made plans to meet someone that morning. I certainly dont think they "strongly belief" anything without some hard evidence to back it up. Like I said though it not about what they belief, its about what they can prove. Hope that answers your question.

You are right, they don't have to say anything. I agree. But, the article says what is says. They "strongly believe" and it doesn't say certain, so I was confused why it was concluded that for certain she drove there. LE may know this, but we don't. Same with all the possibilities. Many have stated recently, that sex trafficking and runaway has been ruled out. This isn't the case, as we know it. They may have privately ruled it out, but not to the public.

So from this article, it is strongly believed believed that she drove to PTl and any possibility of her disappearance is a possibility, with some more likely than not! but it is not random. That is what I got out of it.

 

[ShaShaGa]

When I think about it, it wouldn't be that hard to make sure tourists are not aware of case. First, billboards probably cost an astronomical amount in the tourist areas, and are probably all booked for the season. Hotels probably already have a policy of not giving out fliers to guests. There might already be laws about businesses in the area not displaying fliers (I've never been there). And if those laws don't exist, then maybe MB is already blanketed in fliers advertising all sorts of things so Heather's won't stand out. And by the time summer comes around, the case will be a few months old, likely with little happening, and not much for the media to report on.

If I'm not mistaken , her picture is already on at least one billboard there .

 

[eileenhawkeye]

If I'm not mistaken , her picture is already on at least one billboard there .

Right in the tourist area? If so, I would think prices would go up during the season. I wonder how long they have it booked for? Do you know if space was donated or if the family used donations?

 

[PeterThomasFan]

There's been discussion about how tourism has affected this case. Someone found out that there is someone who works for the Chamber of Commerce who has connections with the media, or something similar. With the tourism season due to start in a few months, what effect will that have on the case? Do you think there will be a push to get it out of the media for the hordes of tourists who will descend on MB soon? Would they want updates about how the case is still unsolved? And I've heard that MB is covered with fliers of Heather, do you think that stuff will be "mysteriously" taken down? Maybe this is too conspiracy-theorist, but I can't imagine the powers that be want tourists to be constantly reminded that a young woman is missing, and there hasn't been an arrest. Will there be efforts to make sure exposure about Heather's case stays in the local neighborhoods, than near where the tourists would be?

ETA: Basically, when all the business leaders and politicians, etc have meetings about the upcoming season, do you think this case comes up in conversation, and what is said?

Most definitely the tourism industry here is effected by this case (among others), IMO. Or should I say MB's profit margins are effected?

I don't want to get into a whole other convo about the City's dealings, but let's just say there is an ongoing FBI investigation into corruption and mis-use of funds, among other things. Just Google it.

My big issue however is that Mayor John Rhodes, the City Council and The Chamber has been absolutely quite surrounding HE. It's obvious why. But, I think it's just wrong and sad.

 

[travelbug]

The openings to my septic tanks are round, but are around this size: http://www.firstcallseptic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Ronnie-in-Septic-Tank.jpg

Yep, that is what mine looks like too.

 

[ShaShaGa]

Right in the tourist area? If so, I would think prices would go up during the season. I wonder how long they have it booked for? Do you know if space was donated or if the family used donations?

I cannot answer that .

 

[stillwatersc]

If I'm not mistaken , her picture is already on at least one billboard there .

I have seen it on a huge digital billboard on 501 going into MB in the Carolina Forest area. It was near the IHOP.

 

[Hatfield]

I struggle with why LE dont feel public searches would be helpful. I think there even was that CUE search that got postponed or was never really scheduled or something weird like that early on which was strange. Not sure if Cue is still actively involved or not.

The good news is that from the other interview the other day with TE i think he said he is searching almost every day so I hope he is getting lots of help with his searches.

Im just surprised there has not been more large public search efforts going on. With or without LE. From looking at maps it sure seems like there is plenty of ground that could be covered by very large groups of volunteers. So long as organizers get permission, nothing should be able to stop them from looking for her. Maybe it is happening and we just are not aware.

The boy in NY that was lost had a lot of effort looking for him that was more or less organized by his brother and it worked well. He had a station area that was manned to pass out information to anyone that wanted to help look for him.

 

[Dr. Know?]

BBM WITH UPDATE

22-year-old Conway man was arrested Thursday night after Highway 544 was shut down near Highway 31 while police detonated several explosive devices found on the man, a Horry County Police report states.

UPDATE: HCPD: Officer finds explosive device on Conway man walking on Hwy 544

From your link

A short time later, the officer found Johnson walking on Highway 544 near Jeremy Loop, and detained him, according to the police report. The officer found a revolver, a tube containing a "green, leafy substance" that Johnson confirmed was marijuana, and a small metallic object.

Johnson told the officer the object was an explosive device, and said he had several more at his home, the report states. The Horry County Bomb team responded and destroyed the explosive device.

Sounds like nitrous oxide or whippets. Used to make whip cream. People use them to get high. That's all I know other than they are metalic, small & I imagine would make a small thud. I don't think this was a uni-bomber, just druggie. jmo

 

[lstiff]

I think the cell issue is key. I've always believed that the perp(s) used HE's phone to set up their alibi.

Especially if a perp were to try and use the excuse that it is hard to kill someone when you are on the phone with them and your phone was "pinging" off another tower/location. I am just saying, that is a good twist to an "alibi" if you are thinking ahead. If that is the case I hope whoever the perp(s) turn out to be get charged with 1st degree (murder) IF that is the case. JMO of course!!!

 

[Ghostwheel]

I don't use Rid-X and routinely use bleach in my laundry which goes to the septic. I've done this for over 25 years without a problem. Also, my house is over 200 years old and I have older septics with hand-poured concrete tops on the tanks. You could easily fit a large man in one of mine.

BBM: O/T but does it ever disturb anyone else that we think like this? I cannot have these conversations with some of my friends at all....

 

[NewYork625]

BBM: O/T but does it ever disturb anyone else that we think like this? I cannot have these conversations with some of my friends at all....

:floorlaugh: I probably should have put a disclaimer when I said that!

 

[Ghostwheel]

From that article...

Elvis left for her date with Shiraldi at about 7 p.m. She text messaged her father a photo of herself learning to drive a standard shift automobile at 10:43 p.m. The next contact was her 1:44 a.m. phone call to Warrelmann, followed by communications with Moorer, the report said.

BW was the first contact after the date? When did OMM tell her he was leaving his wife then? I had assumed all along that OMM called her before she called BW.

It is my belief that there was more than one contact with BW that night. This is only my opinion and based on nothing other than the cagey way information on the phone activity has been released.

 

[Hatfield]

BBM: O/T but does it ever disturb anyone else that we think like this? I cannot have these conversations with some of my friends at all....

Someone had mentioned on another case that if LE ever checked their browser history they would be a suspect for a serial killer. :floorlaugh:

Its the nature of the subject matter and the cases we research. Kind of unavoidable and fascinating at times.

In my household, i am the only one who is obsessed with those TV shows that are documentaries of murder cases. Everyone leaves the room when I have those shows on.