SC - Paul Murdaugh, 22 and mom Margaret, 52, found shot to death, Islandton, 7 June 2021 #13

[worm]

Yes, I figured his explanation of blood or DNA being on his clothes would be he knelt down at the bodies to try and render aid or something. But i think spatter can involve body fluids and parts(that I really can’t make myself type) that aren’t accessible to be touched and hugged from the outside. No explanation for that.
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Like you said though, that the tainted shirt was laundered presents a big problem for him. I’m curious as to how LE became interested in this shirt. Surely, AM didn’t wash it and then put it back on. Was it in the washing machine? Folded in a drawer or hanging up in the closet? How did LE know to check it? Was it at Moselle or his other house? Did someone tip LE off? Did they realize from PM’s video that AM had on a different shirt?
So many questions.

I thought taking the clothes of somebody who was there was rather standard, like gunshot res.

 

[LetsSolvIt]

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There is also confusion about the so-called dinner. The Matt/Seton podcast indicates JMM talked of Paul going to a family dinner at Moselle, and then there are reports of Paul eating with JMM’s family in Okaty.

 

[Megnut]

I suspect AM might've had an alibi for 9 pm.

And not one for 7 pm.

Paul probably had dinner AND planned to have Second Dinner at Moselle. Maybe MM invited him as a buffer against AM.

If MM arrived by 7:30, Paul was already there, attending to the sick dog.

AM could've been out of there by 7:35, off watching a game show in a fresh shirt, before returning after 9 pm to 'discover" them.

JMO

 

[vls12345]

I would really like to know AM's demeanor during the time he was watching game shows. Was it after the murders and was he distracted, thinking up what he would say for his upcoming 911 call? Agitated? Cool? Busy making phone calls or doing other things?

I also wonder about his laundered shirt. Was it found in the washer? Had it already been washed, dried, and hung back in a closet by the time LE responded that evening? When was it found? The next day? Or, was he still wearing it, had blood on it (from "touching" them per his 911 statements) which could have covered any spatter at that point, then he washed it later with LE eventually taking it some time after that?

Just two cars were towed the night of the murder, correct? I wonder why all three weren't? (Assuming there was AM's vehicle, MM's vehicle, and whatever vehicle PM was driving.)

Were the house/outbuildings/land declared a crime scene for very long? How long and what was included in the "off-limits" area(s)? From what I remember, they weren't cordoned off for long. Is that normal?

MOO.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I would really like to know AM's demeanor during the time he was watching game shows. Was it after the murders and was he distracted, thinking up what he would say for his upcoming 911 call? Agitated? Cool? Busy making phone calls or doing other things?

I also wonder about his laundered shirt. Was it found in the washer? Had it already been washed, dried, and hung back in a closet by the time LE responded that evening? When was it found? The next day? Or, was he still wearing it, had blood on it (from "touching" them per his 911 statements) which could have covered any spatter at that point, then he washed it later with LE eventually taking it some time after that?

Just two cars were towed the night of the murder, correct? I wonder why all three weren't? (Assuming there was AM's vehicle, MM's vehicle, and whatever vehicle PM was driving.)

Were the house/outbuildings/land declared a crime scene for very long? How long and what was included in the "off-limits" area(s)? From what I remember, they weren't cordoned off for long. Is that normal?

MOO.

The main house was released back that very night not long afterwards. The family and friends were gathering there, lots of time for AM and whomever to get rid of any potential evidence.

Just another example of questionable LE behavior to allow them into the house.

MOO

 

[clearskies1]

Post is an FYI about certain locations and distances.

Randolph Murdaugh III Obit indicates that RM passed at his Varnille home on Thursday afternoon 6/10/21.

The distance from AM's parents' home in Varnville to Moselle Lodge is only about 12.5 miles or a 16-minute drive.

Hampton Regional Medical Center is a stone's through or 4-minute drive from RM's Varnille home. (HRMC is about 14 miles from Moselle Lodge).

Allendale County Hospital is about 14 miles or 20 minutes from RM's home.

The logical choice for hospital for the 81 yr old on death's door is Hampton Regional Medical Center.

I also think it's very plausible that AM committed the murders, drove to his parents' home, and later drove back to Moselle to report the murders. MOO

https://obits.postandcourier.com/us/obituaries/charleston/name/randolph-murdaugh-obituary?id=10625078

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16 min (12.7 mi)

Podcaster at 04:15 below said they know that the father was taken to Savannah Hospital, which is approx. 80 miles away from Moselle -- so about a 1.5 hour drive. ‎The Murdaugh Family Murders: Impact of Influence: 68: What Happened The Night of The Murders on Apple Podcasts

 

[RAISINISBACK]

That People article just says that Maggie's blood splatter DNA was found on his laundered shirt.

So he had to have changed at some point, either before he left to see his father or during that time period. I'm super curious as to where this shirt was ultimately located. Thinking about it, maybe he entered the house and threw it in the wash before he left.

Then he heads to see his dad, dumping Maggie's phone on the way.

Something is coming to my mind. You people may have to wait a while since I am old.

Wasn't it reported early on that AM had blood smears on his clothes from his claim he "checked" the victims to see if they were breathing? He stated to the 911 operator he had already "touched" them.

If he had on a blood smeared shirt when he called 911 and when LE arrived, obviously we are talking two shirts here.

We know they cannot pin down TOD to within 30 minutes or an hour unless the victim dies in front of medical personal. In this case The EMTS on scene would not have called TOD. That is usually done in a hospital after the victim is transported or in an autopsy. Plus it was rainy that night which should have cooled the outside air down. That would throw off TOD wouldn't it?

But according to everything we have read, the coroner on scene called TOD? Am I correct in stating this? If the coroner called TOD on scene before an autopsy then he had to be going on AM's word.

Another thing. If PM was shot close range twice with a 12 gauge and AM was wearing the same shirt, there would be considerably more blood on him than just spatter.

The podcast stated MM was found 40 feet away from PM. LE told People she ran. That could account for the spatter since it was high velocity. But what about the close range shotgun blasts? AM would have been covered in blood, wouldn't he? Not just high velocity spatter. If he had on the same shirt when he killed both MM and PM, even if he washed the shirt wouldn't more than just high velocity spatter show up?

I hate to raise the specter of two shooters again. But lots of questions for me.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

That People article just says that Maggie's blood splatter DNA was found on his laundered shirt.

So he had to have changed at some point, either before he left to see his father or during that time period. I'm super curious as to where this shirt was ultimately located. Thinking about it, maybe he entered the house and threw it in the wash before he left.

Then he heads to see his dad, dumping Maggie's phone on the way.

But even if he washed it, wouldn't both MM and PM's DNA be on it? Close range with a shotgun? He would have more than just spatter right? What happened to PM's DNA?

Something is off here.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

Something is coming to my mind. You people may have to wait a while since I am old.

Wasn't it reported early on that AM had blood smears on his clothes from his claim he "checked" the victims to see if they were breathing? He stated to the 911 operator he had already "touched" them.

If he had on a blood smeared shirt when he called 911 and when LE arrived, obviously we are talking two shirts here.

We know they cannot pin down TOD to within 30 minutes or an hour unless the victim dies in front of medical personal. In this case The EMTS on scene would not have called TOD. That is usually done in a hospital after the victim is transported or in an autopsy. Plus it was rainy that night which should have cooled the outside air down. That would through off TOD wouldn't it?

But according to everything we have read, the coroner on scene called TOD? Am I correct in stating this? If the coroner called TOD on scene before an autopsy then he had to be going on AM's word.

Another thing. If PM was shot close range twice with a 12 gauge and AM was wearing the same shirt, there would be considerably more blood on him than just spatter.

The podcast stated MM was found 40 feet away from PM. LE told People she ran. That could account for the spatter since it was high velocity. But what about the close range shotgun blasts? AM would have been covered in blood, wouldn't he? Not just high velocity spatter. If he had on the same shirt when he killed both MM and PM, even if he washed the shirt wouldn't more than just high velocity spatter show up?

I hate to raise the specter of two shooters again. But lots of questions for me.

JMO

SLED obviously knows more than we do, and although I was initially a fan of two shooters, I'm inclined to believe the narrative that Alex staged this to make it look that way (we do know he has staged before).

Perhaps Paul was shot at a greater distance than Maggie, and that accounts for the lack of Paul's blood on his shirt (if that's true.)

Great point with the two shirts, as that has to be the case if one was in fact found laundered (unless his shirt wasn't initially seized).

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I believe this was the first report. It wasn’t called blood spatter. It was called high velocity impact spatter, which led some to think it could be brain fluid.

“A shirt worn by Alex Murdaugh on the night his wife and son were murdered was found to have a significant amount of high-velocity impact spatter on it from at least one of their bodies, sources familiar with the investigation recently told FITSNews.

The presence of this forensic evidence on his clothing “could have only come from one thing,” according to sources close to the investigation.”

https://www.fitsnews.com/2022/04/26/high-velocity-impact-spatter-directly-ties-alex-murdaugh-to-double-homicide-sources-say/

BBM
I believe this was the first report. It wasn’t called blood spatter. It was called high velocity impact spatter, which led some to think it could be brain fluid.

The presence of this forensic evidence on his clothing “could have only come from one thing,” according to sources close to the investigation.”

https://www.fitsnews.com/2022/04/26...alex-murdaugh-to-double-homicide-sources-say/

So he was covered in both MM and PM's blood, but the high velocity impact spatter was not blood but speculated to be brain fluid? Not trying to get gory here, just trying to get it straight in my mind why his shirt would have MM's DNA and not PM's.

JMO

 

[worm]

Something is coming to my mind. You people may have to wait a while since I am old.

Wasn't it reported early on that AM had blood smears on his clothes from his claim he "checked" the victims to see if they were breathing? He stated to the 911 operator he had already "touched" them.

If he had on a blood smeared shirt when he called 911 and when LE arrived, obviously we are talking two shirts here.

We know they cannot pin down TOD to within 30 minutes or an hour unless the victim dies in front of medical personal. In this case The EMTS on scene would not have called TOD. That is usually done in a hospital after the victim is transported or in an autopsy. Plus it was rainy that night which should have cooled the outside air down. That would through off TOD wouldn't it?

But according to everything we have read, the coroner on scene called TOD? Am I correct in stating this? If the coroner called TOD on scene before an autopsy then he had to be going on AM's word.

Another thing. If PM was shot close range twice with a 12 gauge and AM was wearing the same shirt, there would be considerably more blood on him than just spatter.

The podcast stated MM was found 40 feet away from PM. LE told People she ran. That could account for the spatter since it was high velocity. But what about the close range shotgun blasts? AM would have been covered in blood, wouldn't he? Not just high velocity spatter. If he had on the same shirt when he killed both MM and PM, even if he washed the shirt wouldn't more than just high velocity spatter show up?

I hate to raise the specter of two shooters again. But lots of questions for me.

JMO

I’m just thinking about the shotgun blast being pointed away from AM so maybe he wouldn’t get as much as if he were standing beside the victim. The high speed splatter would come from the impact that forces it in the opposite direction. Just my guess of course.

 

[Seattle1]

Podcaster at 04:15 below said they know that the father was taken to Savannah Hospital, which is approx. 80 miles away from Moselle -- so about a 1.5 hour drive. ‎The Murdaugh Family Murders: Impact of Influence: 68: What Happened The Night of The Murders on Apple Podcasts

Thank you. I wonder what date he was taken to Savannah Hospital because we know he was back home by 6/10 where he reportedly died at his home in Varnille.

Given the distance and the hour AM allegedly showed up to meet MM, I don't believe AM had any intention to go to hospital with MM on Monday, 6/7/21. It was all a hoax to lure MM to a death trap by AM. MOO

 

[MassGuy]

BBM
I believe this was the first report. It wasn’t called blood spatter. It was called high velocity impact spatter, which led some to think it could be brain fluid.

The presence of this forensic evidence on his clothing “could have only come from one thing,” according to sources close to the investigation.”

https://www.fitsnews.com/2022/04/26...alex-murdaugh-to-double-homicide-sources-say/

So he was covered in both MM and PM's blood, but the high velocity impact spatter was not blood but speculated to be brain fluid? Not trying to get gory here, just trying to get it straight in my mind why his shirt would have MM's DNA and not PM's.

JMO

I'm inclined to believe it was in fact blood they were referring to, and not brain fluid. By its very nature, high velocity impact splatter means that Alex had to be present when the murders occurred. That means that brain fluid isn't necessary to reach that conclusion.

 

[clearskies1]

BBM
I believe this was the first report. It wasn’t called blood spatter. It was called high velocity impact spatter, which led some to think it could be brain fluid.

The presence of this forensic evidence on his clothing “could have only come from one thing,” according to sources close to the investigation.”

https://www.fitsnews.com/2022/04/26...alex-murdaugh-to-double-homicide-sources-say/

So he was covered in both MM and PM's blood, but the high velocity impact spatter was not blood but speculated to be brain fluid? Not trying to get gory here, just trying to get it straight in my mind why his shirt would have MM's DNA and not PM's.

JMO

I'm not sure I'm answering your question, but the first report did not say "blood". Later reports do say blood. Some said could be a mixture of brain fluid and blood. Could just be blood. If it was just MM's DNA found on the shirt, the shooter may just have been closer to her than he was to PM. JMO.

 

[worm]

I'm inclined to believe it was in fact blood they were referring to, and not brain fluid. By its very nature, high velocity impact splatter means that Alex had to be present when the murders occurred. That means that brain fluid isn't necessary to reach that conclusion.

Given the injuries to PM I would expect other fluids but don’t see how it would make a difference either way.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

AM is such a dark soul. Certainly did not have the heart of a husband or father in the days leading up to June 7, 2021,-- if ever.

Nope. AM is a man for whom human life is just currency. MOO

BBM

AM is a man

I am beginning to think he is something less than human.

JMO

 

[RAISINISBACK]

The answer of MM knowing about PM being present at Moselle is important. MM knew. TY. Also, it seems that PM dined with his uncle, in Okatie then left for Moselle at 6pm.

It was raining and sunset that day was at 8:30pm. MSM all but says AM was lying in wait to execute MM but they call it having his rifle 'at the ready'. Was AM at the shed with the red roof waiting for MM to arrive? She keeps her car door open and engine running in the rain? while she runs in the rain to the shed?

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At the kennels, PM took a video of friend's dog. His parents could be heard in the audio that was found on Paul's phone. So, AM and MM were close enough to the dog kennel for Paul's phone to record their voices. It's 9 - 9:30pm.

In this location, Alex had MM far enough away from the safety of her car. He shoots PM. Shoots him again in the head this time. MM was found 14-20' away from PM. Maybe she was running away from her husband towards her car when he shot her.

These murders were methodical and diabolical. He always intended to kill them both that night and so he did. That opinion contradicts People mag's theory that AM was surprised PM was at Moselle and so Oops, Paul, you gotta go bc you caught me here killing your mother... No. PM was always going to die, too.

JMHOO
‎The Murdaugh Family Murders: Impact of Influence: 68: What Happened The Night of The Murders on Apple Podcasts

They are saying 40 feet away.

Here's a question though. If PM fell on his phone, wouldn't it keep recording audio if not video even after he was dead? I wouldn't think the phone would stop recording even if he died? It wouldn't stop until the battery on it was dead, right?

JMO

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

They are saying 40 feet away.

Here's a question though. If PM fell on his phone, wouldn't it keep recording audio if not video even after he was dead? I wouldn't think the phone would stop recording even if he died? It wouldn't stop until the battery on it was dead, right?

JMO

JMO

Unfortunately, he may have stopped recording before he was shot. I think it would have leaked if the murder itself was actually captured in some form.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

Missed this, thought I’d post.


A trust, creditors’ claims, Satterfield money? What’s in Murdaugh III’s estate file

NOVEMBER 22, 2021

Among the documents:

A will that that gives all of Murdaugh III’s estate — except for any property Murdaugh III has power of appointment over — to a trust in his name
Two creditors’ claims from a Hampton-based bank totaling more than $935,000
An email that indicates Murdaugh III may have received about $600,000 from the estate of Gloria Satterfield, his son Alex’s deceased former housekeeper. However, reports conflict on how much money was allegedly transferred to Murdaugh III.

Here are details from the estate records of Randolph Murdaugh III, who was the top elected prosecutor over the five-county 14th Judicial Circuit from 1986 to 2005:

On June 23, 2020, Murdaugh III created a will that gave all of his estate to a trust under his name. The Randolph Murdaugh III Trust is listed as the only beneficiary of his estate.

His eldest son, Randolph Murdaugh IV, is named as the personal representative of the estate. If Murdaugh IV were unwilling or unable to serve, Alex Murdaugh would take his place, the will said.

Murdaugh III’s will gave his eldest son the power to handle nearly all aspects of the estate, including to sell property, distribute assets, lend money, sign contracts and hire attorneys and accountants.

Brian T. Treacy, a lawyer unaffiliated with the Murdaugh estate, suggested “Mr. Murdaugh was looking to keep his financial affairs private during his lifetime or, more particularly, after his death.”

However, because Murdaugh III’s “pour-over” will, which automatically transfers assets to a trust, was filed in probate, a complete inventory of his personal property — everything not already in his trust — must be filed by Nov. 29 unless his family asks for an extension.

As of Friday, the family had not filed the inventory and had not requested an extension.

https://www.islandpacket.com/news/local/crime/article255970572.html

BBM

His eldest son, Randolph Murdaugh IV, is named as the personal representative of the estate. If Murdaugh IV were unwilling or unable to serve, Alex Murdaugh would take his place, the will said.

Murdaugh III’s will gave his eldest son the power to handle nearly all aspects of the estate, including to sell property, distribute assets, lend money, sign contracts and hire attorneys and accountants.


I have an eerie feeling RM IV came within a hairs breath of joining MM and PM.

JMO

 

[Kudzuu]

BBM

AM is a man

I am beginning to think he is something less than human.

JMO

I'm starting to think AM is not very bright, his father bought his way through law school, gave him a sinecure with the law firm so he had a job. I think he probably had behavioral issues and had trouble with interpersonal relationships and for that reason was part time, i.e., could come and go at work. AM's father protected his youngest ill behaving son (sound familiar?) and the entire family tolerated and helped enable AM's misdeeds. It is a generational curse of sorts. In the country generational feuds and alliances are passed along. Paul was the "new" Alex. I also think he was running drugs and the addiction claim is a cover up for it. AM was an addict not a dealer (my foot he is an addict). AMOO. This story has it all: murder, mayhem, theft, illicit relationships, entitlement, you name it. It only lacks true love. MOO. If it were fiction MM would have lived and found a decent hard working man! But alas she died at the hands of a manipulative greedy selfish entitled man who never had consequences for his behavior until now and he's reaping generations of it. All this is pure speculation based on my life experience in the good ole boys south.