SC - Paul Murdaugh, 22 and mom Margaret, 52, found shot to death, Islandton, 7 June 2021 #13

[clearskies1]

I'm beginning to suspect that the podcaster conflated details of AM's Savannah hospitalization (i.e., AM airlifted to Savannah hospital after the failed suicide shooting attempt) with the senior patriarch Randolph M III who reportedly died at home in Varnille, SC on Thursday, June 10, 2021.

It doesn't follow that the terminally ill patient would be driven 90+ minutes from home for hospital admission during COVID, only to be driven back home the following day to die at his home.

IMO, RMsr was most likely admitted to Hampton Medical Center located about 4 minutes from his home when AM allegedly visited. MOO

Alex Murdaugh shot in Hampton County, airlifted to hospital, attorney says

Alex Murdaugh was rushed to a hospital, according to sources familiar with the investigation.

www.postandcourier.com

9/4/2021

Alex Murdaugh called his brother, Randy, to report the shooting around 2:15 p.m., Griffin said. Alex Murdaugh was airlifted to a hospital in Savannah for treatment.

Randy Murdaugh has not been able to enter Memorial Health University Medical Center due to COVID-19 restrictions, Griffin said, but Alex Murdaugh has been able to communicate with him by phone, “which is obviously an encouraging sign.”

This doesn't affect your point, but here the reporter said that on the day of the murder Alec drove his dying father back to the hospital. So on June 7 Alec reportedly drives his father "back" to a hospital and that evening MM and PM are killed. The father dies at home 3 days later, on June 10. I'm not at all saying that you're wrong, but how do we know that his dad was driven home from the hospital on June 8? TIA

Family of slain South Carolina mother and son break silence

Randy Murdaugh and John Marvin Murdaugh speak out for the first time since their brother, Alex, found his 22-year-old son, Paul, and wife, Maggie, shot to death outside their home last week.

www.goodmorningamerica.com

 

[Seattle1]

This doesn't affect your point, but here the reporter said that on the day of the murder Alec drove his dying father back to the hospital. So on June 7 Alec reportedly drives his father "back" to a hospital and that evening MM and PM are killed. The father dies at home 3 days later, on June 10. I'm not at all saying that you're wrong, but how do we know that his dad was driven home from the hospital on June 8? TIA

Family of slain South Carolina mother and son break silence

Randy Murdaugh and John Marvin Murdaugh speak out for the first time since their brother, Alex, found his 22-year-old son, Paul, and wife, Maggie, shot to death outside their home last week.

www.goodmorningamerica.com

Just to be clear, IF a hospital is involved, my only issue is the location of the hospital:

4 mins from home, or
90+ minutes across the state line.

ETA: From the GMA interview -- AM drives his father back to the hospital and returns [to his parent's home] to check on his mother.

For me, this only works if the hospital is 4 minutes from the Varnile home and NOT in Savannah, GA.

 

[Kemug]

I'm not sure if we really know whether either PM or MM (or both) were facing AM when he shot them? I get the impression that PM at least was. Can you imagine what it would be like to look into your father's eyes knowing that he was killing you?

But on the other hand, Chris Watts did even worse

 

[LetsSolvIt]

Something is coming to my mind. You people may have to wait a while since I am old.

Wasn't it reported early on that AM had blood smears on his clothes from his claim he "checked" the victims to see if they were breathing? He stated to the 911 operator he had already "touched" them.

If he had on a blood smeared shirt when he called 911 and when LE arrived, obviously we are talking two shirts here.

We know they cannot pin down TOD to within 30 minutes or an hour unless the victim dies in front of medical personal. In this case The EMTS on scene would not have called TOD. That is usually done in a hospital after the victim is transported or in an autopsy. Plus it was rainy that night which should have cooled the outside air down. That would throw off TOD wouldn't it?

But according to everything we have read, the coroner on scene called TOD? Am I correct in stating this? If the coroner called TOD on scene before an autopsy then he had to be going on AM's word.

Another thing. If PM was shot close range twice with a 12 gauge and AM was wearing the same shirt, there would be considerably more blood on him than just spatter.

The podcast stated MM was found 40 feet away from PM. LE told People she ran. That could account for the spatter since it was high velocity. But what about the close range shotgun blasts? AM would have been covered in blood, wouldn't he? Not just high velocity spatter. If he had on the same shirt when he killed both MM and PM, even if he washed the shirt wouldn't more than just high velocity spatter show up?

I hate to raise the specter of two shooters again. But lots of questions for me.

JMO

Very interesting, @RAISINISBACK. I totally see your point. It also supports the potential for a more extended time between the murders.

Murder Paul first but AM doesn’t want Maggie to see him in the bloody clothes so goes to house to change. Rushes back to meet Maggie in shed. Maybe when she leaves car and walks along that path to go to meet Alec in shed is when she sees Paul, pauses in shock and then runs.

Shooting Maggie in a new outfit also would explain why they only found her DNA on his shirt.

JMO. MOO.

EDIT: my thought above doesn’t quite work unless you combine @RAISINISBACK’s idea of Paul‘s phone still recording audio under his body so it captures an argument between Maggie & Alex. If anything like above happened, Maggie didn’t need to walk down that path between kennels and shed. She could have entered the shed on the other side and left on the kennel side when she would have spotted the deceased Paul. MOO.

 

[Kemug]

His eldest son, Randolph Murdaugh IV, is named as the personal representative of the estate. If Murdaugh IV were unwilling or unable to serve, Alex Murdaugh would take his place, the will said.

Murdaugh III’s will gave his eldest son the power to handle nearly all aspects of the estate, including to sell property, distribute assets, lend money, sign contracts and hire attorneys and accountants.

I think AM's elder brother is a very lucky man, his days were surely numbered. I wonder if he realizes it.

 

[Kemug]

No you're right about that. What I'm saying is perhaps he had finished recording, and hit stop. Then the bad stuff happened.

Because otherwise you're right, and there should be a lot more video.

But maybe his phone did keep on recording video, except that it was black, as PM was lying on top of it.

 

[Kemug]

BTW, I have never come across the name Murdaugh before. Is it pronounced "Murder" perchance?

 

[Eagle2123]

I dont think a “dinner” was planned. Think it was planned and coerced by AM to get both MM and PM to Moselle. PM‘s phone even more than MM’s has tons of evidence. SLED unlocked it and this AM is done folks.

 

[Eagle2123]

I dont think a “dinner” was planned. Think it was planned and coerced by AM to get both MM and PM to Moselle. PM‘s phone even more than MM’s has tons of evidence. SLED unlocked it and this AM is done folks.

PM’s phone was unlocked 1-2 months ago and murder charges have been dropped shortly after. I fully believe the evidence has been uncovered by PM’s video/audio. SLED pounced once that phone was unlocked. We will soon know the truth

 

[Tabulator]

There has been a lot of discussion about the high-velocity impact spatter found on AM's launderded clothes - and this could be an incredibly important piece of evidence, but I haven't read anywhere that this evidence has DNA from MM or PM. Now, I absolutely believe that this man is guilty, but I want to make sure the case against him is airtight. Have I just missed the article?

Now, if this "splatter" got on his clothes the night of the murder and those clothes were subsequently launderded, there is a strong possibility the DNA was destroyed. From what I understand, professional cleaning does destroy DNA even if the stain remains.

I apologize for my ignorance, but I really want this man thoroughly investigated and fully prosecuted- AM has been talking his way out of crimes for years, I really hope he doesn't get out of this one as well.

 

[clearskies1]

There has been a lot of discussion about the high-velocity impact spatter found on AM's launderded clothes - and this could be an incredibly important piece of evidence, but I haven't read anywhere that this evidence has DNA from MM or PM. Now, I absolutely believe that this man is guilty, but I want to make sure the case against him is airtight. Have I just missed the article?

Now, if this "splatter" got on his clothes the night of the murder and those clothes were subsequently launderded, there is a strong possibility the DNA was destroyed. From what I understand, professional cleaning does destroy DNA even if the stain remains.

I apologize for my ignorance, but I really want this man thoroughly investigated and fully prosecuted- AM has been talking his way out of crimes for years, I really hope he doesn't get out of this one as well.

If his shirt was washed in a washing machine it may be hard/impossible to test for DNA. Maybe it will be positive for blood, but that may be the most they can determine. I'm not an expert but that's a possibility I think. JMO. Speculation.

 

[Seattle1]

Hmm.. where exactly was Maggie's phone located???

2/28/22 --Did John Marvin Murdaugh Just Reveal That The Solicitor's Office Tampered With Evidence?​

 

[MassGuy]

But maybe his phone did keep on recording video, except that it was black, as PM was lying on top of it.

If so, it would have captured the sound of gunshots. I really think massive information like that would have leaked. They'd know when this happened down to the second.

 

[worm]

If his shirt was washed in a washing machine it may be hard/impossible to test for DNA. Maybe it will be positive for blood, but that may be the most they can determine. I'm not an expert but that's a possibility I think. JMO. Speculation.

It seems like that would still be hard to make an excuse for since high velocity blood is limited to a single source. Of course im sure AM and his attys are very capable of making that excuse too.

 

[Warwick7]

Hmm.. where exactly was Maggie's phone located???

2/28/22 --Did John Marvin Murdaugh Just Reveal That The Solicitor's Office Tampered With Evidence?​

Wow!
Your post sent me digging.

This article blew me away.

Did John Marvin Murdaugh Just Reveal That Evidence Was Touched?

Latest in Murdaugh Murders investigation: Did Alex Murdaugh's brother just reveal evidence was tampered with?

www.fitsnews.com

 

[Seattle1]

Blood spatter on clothes may tie disgraced attorney to murder of wife and son, source says

Blood spatter found on the clothing of disgraced attorney Alex Murdaugh could place him at the scene of the murder of his wife and son last year at their South

www.abc12.com

Blood spatter found on the clothing of disgraced attorney Alex Murdaugh could place him at the scene of the murder of his wife and son last year at their South Carolina home, a source with knowledge of the investigation tells CNN.

7/14/22

Blood spatter found on the clothing of disgraced attorney Alex Murdaugh could place him at the scene of the murder of his wife and son last year at their South Carolina home, a source with knowledge of the investigation tells CNN.

[..]

The blood spatter found could place Murdaugh in close contact with at least one of the victims when they were killed, the source said. High velocity spatter is associated with the use of a particular weapon, such as a rifle, and it creates a specific blood pattern, especially when used at close range.

[..]

South Carolina Law Enforcement Division spokesperson Renée Wunderlich issued a statement declining to provide further details about their investigation.

"SLED's investigation into the murders of Maggie and Paul Murdaugh is still active and ongoing," Wunderlich said. "Agents are committed to the integrity of the investigation, thus no additional information from SLED will be provided at this time."

 

[Seattle1]

Wow!
Your post sent me digging.

This article blew me away.

Did John Marvin Murdaugh Just Reveal That Evidence Was Touched?

Latest in Murdaugh Murders investigation: Did Alex Murdaugh's brother just reveal evidence was tampered with?

www.fitsnews.com

Eeek! I'm officially paywalled from Fitsnews so now I'm posting their YTubes on the same subject news from their news site.

 

[DeDee]

Kemug said:
I'm not sure if we really know whether either PM or MM (or both) were facing AM when he shot them? I get the impression that PM at least was. Can you imagine what it would be like to look into your father's eyes knowing that he was killing you?

But on the other hand, Chris Watts did even worse

Alex trapped them at Moselle. Paul knew for a few seconds or maybe just for an instant that he would be dying. There is only one reason to shoulder a shotgun and that's to fire it which AM did at close range. It is prob his son's gray matter clinging to his shirt sleeve that's booked into evidence. jmoorn

Here's how I suspect Paul knew what was about to happen. I see:
Coming out of the kennel, AM is to one side or the other when Paul's walking stops as he leans slightly back, head tilted down, with his arm raised in the air, bent at elbow, as a defensive mechanism meant to protect his head because in his peripheral vision he sees his father shoulder the shotgun and take aim.

The ammo is destructive. I think he was on the ground of the kennel when Paul's head receives another cold, calculated shotgun blast as a direct hit at close range from his father that insures death.

AM stared down the barrel of that shotgun pointed at his son's head. He misplaced his good common and decent sense years ago.
.

 

[Seattle1]

This from Fitnews/The Murdaugh Family Murders podcast. Makes me wonder if a "laundered shirt" alleged evidence might also be MSM being loose with the details. Sometimes the truth of what you have appears cryptic. It's not an invitation to embelish.



Mandy Matney
@MandyMatney

Just want to be clear about this: My sources said it was high-velocity impact spatter. They never said it was blood spatter. I’m not saying this to split hairs or be cryptic. Just pointing out that when national media pick up stories, they’re often loose with the details.


7:56 PM · Apr 27, 2022

 

[Elley Mae]

Gunshot spatter - includes both forward spatter from the exit wound and back spatter from the entrance wound. Gunshot spatter will vary depending on the caliber of the gun, where the victim is struck, whether the bullet exits the body, distance between the victim and the gun and location of the victim relative to walls, floors and objects. Typically, forward spatter is a fine mist and back spatter is larger and fewer drops.

Bloodstain Pattern Analysis: Principles

www.forensicsciencesimplified.org

…

“High velocity” A bloodstain pattern resulting from an object impacting a blood source at 100 feet per second or greater. A typical example is
spatter resulting from a gunshot.

“Medium velocity” A bloodstain pattern resulting from an object impacting a blood source at roughly 25 feet per second. A typical example is spatter
resulting from the impact of a blunt instrument swung by hand.

“Dripped/splashed “ A bloodstain pattern resulting from the impact either of blood droplets dripping by gravity, or resulting from a volume of blood that falls or spills onto a surface. A typical example is spatter
resulting from blood drops dripping into a pool of blood.

“Cast-off” A bloodstain pattern resulting from blood drops released from an object or limb while in motion. A typical example is spatter resulting from drops being “flung” of a bloody object or weapon such as a crowbar.

https://www.crime-scene-investigator.net/analysis-of-high-velocity-bloodstain-patterns.pdf