SC - Paul Murdaugh, 22 and mom Margaret, 52, found shot to death, Islandton, 7 June 2021 #3

[Warwick7]

Thanks for the link to this article and the released and redacted reports.

Seems to me that in just looking at just the first officer on the scene, Sgt. Greene's reports, the reason behind the redactions were listed as having to do with the number of individuals at the scene when he arrived. Also redacted were the vehicles there and a firearm present somewhere. (Could have been a murder weapon or could have been in a vehicle or on a person, dead or alive I suppose)

The redactions about the individuals at the incident had nothing to do with the two dead victims as their presence was accounted and not redacted.

I'm taking that to mean Alex Murdaugh was not alone at the scene when Sgt. Greene arrived at the listed 2226 military time [10:26pm].

I have wondered whether RM4 was already at the scene when first responders arrived. He wasn’t far away. AM called him. Did he call him first? These are lawyers. I can see where there would be speculation if others were there before authorities. But, are we still just protecting the M family?

I wonder why the redactions explanation (annotating in red), in yesterday's court filings, of Sgt. Greene's report, which mentions the victims by name (not redacted) explains, "as well as which individuals were present at the incident location"? That's what make me think someone beside AM was there when Sgt. Greene arrived.

Why call AM in the redaction's explanation an "individuals" plural if he was the only live individual there when Sgt. Green arrived? They said he made the call, that's never been kept secret by LE

The full redaction explanation for that report's page read...
"The redacted information provides details about the evidence seized from the crime scene, as well as which individuals were present at the incident location."


SLED says it's still too early to release details on Murdaugh case, weeks after killings

Underlined by me.
Keeping these together for reference.

 

[sunshineray]

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This is the sentence before your bolded that caught my eye.

The agencies argue that such details should stay private in part so that investigators can test potential witnesses’ truthfulness.

? What witnesses? Weird

I'm sure that would include the killer(s). If someone was to confess or if an accomplice was to come forward. Those kind of redactions I understand. What I don't understand would be limiting public knowledge of who was present when first responders arrived.

 

[stmarysmead]

SGT Greene appears to have very quickly advised CCFR that the scene was clear for medics to arrive. Was this perhaps due to the fact that others had been at the scene for a sufficient period of time to reassure him that the danger was past?

 

[Razz]

Because it concerns the wealthy and their elected friends?

I'd be wary of all the lawyers involved here and making any mistakes that could come back and haunt me if/when they should decide to come after me.

 

[stmarysmead]

I have a legal process question. If SLED needs a warrant for investigative reasons what legal authority decides whether it’s approved?

Does the local Solicitors office have any influence at all on how SLED proceeds?

 

[Warwick7]

SGT Greene appears to have very quickly advised CCFR that the scene was clear for medics to arrive. Was this perhaps due to the fact that others had been at the scene for a sufficient period of time to reassure him that the danger was past?

As I read these posts, I'm also closely following the Dylan Redwine trial. I have too many irons on the fire----so could you elaborate on what you are saying?

 

[stmarysmead]

As I read these posts, I'm also closely following the Dylan Redwine trial. I have too many irons on the fire----so could you elaborate on what you are saying?

I brought this up a few days ago. I used to live on a small country acreage but it was very secluded…surrounded by larger properties and no neighbor in sight. We also had outbuildings. Our property was a dot on the landscape compared to the Moselle hunting lodge. But even on our property, if a crime like this occurred, how could LE or anyone ascertain that the scene was safe for the medics to enter…when it was just one…or even two officers on the scene?

A high powered rifle was used. There might be a deranged sniper somewhere. There were woods on the property and several football fields of land between outbuildings and main house. The main house and any of the outbuildings might be hiding the killers.

Maybe it has no meaning. But maybe it ties in with the quick assessment that the public was not at risk. Or maybe it has something else to do…like who may be the suspect.

 

[Elley Mae]

I believe that the weapons being there gave them reason for no risk to public.

Jmo

 

[stmarysmead]

I believe that the weapons being there gave them reason for no risk to public.

Jmo

possibly.

I wonder about the weapons if indeed they were there. Perhaps they owned by the family and kept in one of the outbuildings? Then the crime sounds more spontaneous if the killers didn’t arrive with their own weapons.
Otherwise, wouldn’t they have serial numbers on the discarded weapons? And fingerprints or dna?

 

[MoeInVA]

I believe that the weapons being there gave them reason for no risk to public.

Jmo

I wondered the same. But The NY Times reported that the coroner said police did not initially find any weapons. Though no one else reported that, so that could be false.

 

[T rex]

I wondered the same. But The NY Times reported that the coroner said police did not initially find any weapons. Though no one else reported that, so that could be false.

possibly.

I wonder about the weapons if indeed they were there. Perhaps they owned by the family and kept in one of the outbuildings? Then the crime sounds more spontaneous if the killers didn’t arrive with their own weapons.
Otherwise, wouldn’t they have serial numbers on the discarded weapons? And fingerprints or dna?

Could this be like the "out shooting"? Could something like "they were found to have been shot with two weapons" turned into "they found two weapons"?

 

[T rex]

Another reason to believe either PM or MM was the target and no one else. Same as LE saying the public had nothing to worry about. My theory still stands that PM was targeted and some symbol/message left at the scene saying mission accomplished.

I was thinking some more on this and is it possible that MM's phone could have been used for this purpose?
Maybe someone used it to somehow taunt AM or something like that. If so he would have, no doubt, immediately headed that way and probably would have made a personal call to a LEO that he knew while on his way. Something like this could explain a lot.

 

[sunshineray]

I have a legal process question. If SLED needs a warrant for investigative reasons what legal authority decides whether it’s approved?

Does the local Solicitors office have any influence at all on how SLED proceeds?

Maybe the Attorney General's office being as SLED is state wide?

 

[Warwick7]

I brought this up a few days ago. I used to live on a small country acreage but it was very secluded…surrounded by larger properties and no neighbor in sight. We also had outbuildings. Our property was a dot on the landscape compared to the Moselle hunting lodge. But even on our property, if a crime like this occurred, how could LE or anyone ascertain that the scene was safe for the medics to enter…when it was just one…or even two officers on the scene?

A high powered rifle was used. There might be a deranged sniper somewhere. There were woods on the property and several football fields of land between outbuildings and main house. The main house and any of the outbuildings might be hiding the killers.

Maybe it has no meaning. But maybe it ties in with the quick assessment that the public was not at risk. Or maybe it has something else to do…like who may be the suspect.

Excellent post!

 

[sunshineray]

I brought this up a few days ago. I used to live on a small country acreage but it was very secluded…surrounded by larger properties and no neighbor in sight. We also had outbuildings. Our property was a dot on the landscape compared to the Moselle hunting lodge. But even on our property, if a crime like this occurred, how could LE or anyone ascertain that the scene was safe for the medics to enter…when it was just one…or even two officers on the scene?

A high powered rifle was used. There might be a deranged sniper somewhere. There were woods on the property and several football fields of land between outbuildings and main house. The main house and any of the outbuildings might be hiding the killers.

Maybe it has no meaning. But maybe it ties in with the quick assessment that the public was not at risk. Or maybe it has something else to do…like who may be the suspect.

And it was ascertained in what minutes? At 10:28 Greene called for SLED to be notified but they didn't get there until 11:47.

 

[T rex]

Could this be like the "out shooting"? Could something like "they were found to have been shot with two weapons" turned into "they found two weapons"?

And what were they looking for in the river?

 

[sunshineray]

I believe that the weapons being there gave them reason for no risk to public.

Jmo

Sgt. Greene's "original narrative" report, on the 3rd page, the redacted explanation said "the firearm seized", singular.

 

[sunshineray]

possibly.

I wonder about the weapons if indeed they were there. Perhaps they owned by the family and kept in one of the outbuildings? Then the crime sounds more spontaneous if the killers didn’t arrive with their own weapons.
Otherwise, wouldn’t they have serial numbers on the discarded weapons? And fingerprints or dna?

I think PM may have been killed with his own weapon, taken away and used against him.

 

[stmarysmead]

I think PM may have been killed with his own weapon, taken away and used against him.

Good thinking…and then it could have been dropped there…and been the singular ‘firearm seized.’

 

[stmarysmead]

These crimes have such a tight schedule.

Somewhere between 9pm and 9:30pm, the murders are committed.

Presuming this is not random, the killers know that AM and MM are residing at Moselle. They would have no idea when AM might turn into the driveway. As it is, he may have only missed being there by 30 minutes. So, I can’t imagine much attention could be paid to cleaning up, wiping off weapons, destroying evidence.

With two people dead in an area that could well have been visible from the driveway…especially with headlights… I think they’d get out of there as quickly as possible.

Depending on where MM’s phone was found, they may have had to exit out that same narrow driveway where AM could be pulling in at any moment. If they go that way…they then ditch the phone on Moselle Rd. and off they go. All before 10pm…when AM arrives home.

Now AM allegedly arrives home and it is ‘around’ 10pm and he finds the horror.

He begins making phone calls…in what order we don’t know. But we know he had trouble reaching JM, had to keep calling, finally calling the sister-in-law’s phone. And, of course he calls police at 10:07 pm.

When he calls RM who lives 15 minutes away, RM comes immediately, but he says the police were on the scene already and the bodies already recovered, so it had to be well after 10:28pm.

The initial LE arriving around 10:28pm almost immediately declares the area secure for the medics…which is good, because more M family members are arriving.

All this action in one hour or…at the most around 90 minutes…from murders to secure scene. From maybe 9pm…to 10:28pm.