SC - Paul Murdaugh, 22 and mom Margaret, 52, found shot to death, Islandton, 7 June 2021 #8

[Oakie]

So....they were running moonshine....or turning a blind eye to who was making and running it. Public sentiment in the south would have been on their side and against the Government, since making moonshine from your own corn grown on your own land then selling it is not considered a crime by most people in the south. It is still done albeit a bit more discreetly. I can see why Murdaugh SR would have no problem being re elected and indeed was probably hailed as a hero by most people in 1956. Now also. Think Hank JR.
JMO

In 1956, moonshining would have been the only way to make any money there (well, aside from lawyering!). Poor folks with families to feed and bills to pay did what they had to do to get by.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I wonder if anyone noticed the Murdaugh article back then with the Moonshine Orgy Murder story sharing the front page of the Index Journal.

Can you post it?

 

[Lux et Veritas]

Can anybody here imagine getting the call from a friend/distant relative for help and when you show up the request is “shoot me in the head and kill me”?

99.9999999999% of people would refuse. If they're a blood relative, more like 100%.

Which lends credence to the theory that AM's "assisted suicide" story is pure horse crap.

Exhibit A:
1) CES apparently did NOT shoot AM, despite 7-10 shell casings surrounding the UNscathed Mercedes!
2) There were NO injuries to be found on AM's head anywhere.
3) AM is still ALIVE.

 

[Luna20]

The photos / video of CES after he was arrested deserve a closer look. The blood(?) at both corners of his mouth (and from nose?) in his mugshot, then the wild hair, distressed, uncoordinated behavior in court.

With his recent statement that AM set him up, I'm starting to think AM-friendly LE roughed CES up (read: intimidation) before his bond hearing ... perhaps they even slipped him some disorienting, sedative drug to induce the 'special effects'.

Never underestimate a rich, privileged, powerful man trying to stay out of prison.

Thats a very good point. I can easily see AM & buddies putting something in through the air ducts, gas lines or incoming water, etc to affect Curtis. They need him to look shady in the worst of ways. I don’t know how he will have a fair chance at anything.

 

[Marysmith]

Thats a very good point. I can easily see AM & buddies putting something in through the air ducts, gas lines or incoming water, etc to affect Curtis. They need him to look shady in the worst of ways. I don’t know how he will have a fair chance at anything.

That is a good point. I can see why he’d want to get ahead of it and put his story out but he needs to be careful for sure…

 

[Luna20]

That is a good point. I can see why he’d want to get ahead of it and put his story out but he needs to be careful for sure…

He is the one that really needs WPP.

 

[rescuemom]

Mysteries follow death of Alex Murdaugh's housekeeper

Disgraced South Carolina legal scion Alex Murdaugh plotted with another lawyer to steal $4 million from the children of his longtime housekeeper, who mysteriously died at the attorney’s home in 2018, a lawyer representing her children claims.

“It’s hard to believe that one family can create this kind of turmoil, you know?” said Eric Bland about the mess he said was created for Gloria Satterfield’s family.

“Greed, power, betrayal. All the bad things. It’s like a Grisham novel. He doesn’t have to write fiction, he can just come to South Carolina and write the truth.”

Bland filed a suit against Murdaugh Wednesday on behalf of Satterfield’s sons, prompting officials to open an investigation into her death later that day.

Bland said that a lawyer for one of the defendants named in the lawsuit suit revealed the staggering sum Thursday.

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That lawyer, unbeknownst to the Satterfield family, was Alex’s college roommate and best friend, Cory Fleming, according to the suit. Murdaugh also allegedly appointed non-family member Chad Westendorf as the Satterfields’ personal representative in negotiations without the sons’ knowledge.

“You do that so you don’t have to keep the family informed of what’s going on,” Bland said.

“Settlements start happening. Nobody’s telling the family. They never found out. The only reason they found out is because of reporters… started digging [after son Paul Murdaugh was arrested for a 2019 deadly drunk boating accident],” the lawyer said.

“At the end of 2020 our clients said, ‘Wait a minute. Mom’s claim settled for $505,000? We didn’t get any of that money.'”

Bland said he learned on Thursday that multiple insurers actually paid out $4 million to Fleming, and his clients never saw a dime of it. He quickly sent a complaint to the state’s bar association, he said.

AM got his buddy to sue himself so that insurance that he paid for would eventually return to him minus atty fees to his buddy...kids knew nothing??? When is enough enough for this guy?? Wonder what his income was from his legal practice?? wonder what kind of a lawyer he was?? wonder if he was the typical screw up in the family and everyone covered for him to save face for the family sake. He doesn't seem to bright to me. IMHO, hmmm, the chickens are going to come home to roost

 

[rescuemom]

Mysteries follow death of Alex Murdaugh's housekeeper

Bland said "It wouldn't surprise me if her body is exhumed....."

BBM

yep, they may need to do that...wonder how long it will be before AM starts to sing on others and where is the oldest son in all of this... is that where the SS murder comes in? although the idea that someone is after AM like one poster said and MM and PM was the warning could be right too...possibly why AM has lost weight....stress not oxy

 

[rescuemom]

Accused Alex Murdaugh shooter says he was set up by prominent lawyer

Smith said he was set up by Alex to make it look as if he shot him.

“I get a call from Alex that Saturday afternoon to come to where he was and I thought it was maybe to fix something,” Smith said, gesturing to a silver Chevy pickup he said was his work truck. “I had no idea what he wanted, I just went over there.”

Smith said he then drove over to the stretch of rural Old Salkehatchie Road and found Murdaugh in his car. He said Murdaugh then got out of his car brandishing a gun, and waving it around as if he might be about to shoot himself.

“I run over and we wrestled a minute together, me trying to get the gun away from him,” Smith said. “Then the gun kind of went off above his head and I got scared to death and I ran to my truck and took off.”

Smith said he took Murdaugh’s gun and threw it away. He did not say where.

“I wound up with the gun,” Smith said. “It was plain stupid, just plain stupid.”

When asked if any bullet actually struck or grazed Alex’s head, Smith shook his head.

“I don’t know,” he said. “I just got out of there.”

I think I believe him

 

[rescuemom]

From the Post article above (my comments below)

"Smith doesn’t have legal representation yet and is hoping to find a lawyer “with a bone to pick” against the Murdaughs."

(Eddie, we're all hoping you find that lawyer to represent you.)


"Smith shook his head “no” when The Post asked if he was Alex’s drug dealer or used drugs himself. He walked bent over as he showed a Post reporter around his yard and introduced his pets — including cats named Jay Z and Biggie and a pit bull mix named Dixie."

(Curtis is saying he's not Alex's drug dealer. I wish the Post would've asked him about the alleged check payments. He says he has never used drugs himself. I might have an issue with that last claim, respectfully.
Once again I will say I hope every interview/interrogation / confession has been taped IN FULL.
What reason did Eddie give for the 'confession' -- did he not make it, was he coerced, forced, tired?)
(I like that Jay and Biggie are peacefully coexisting in the South with a Dixie)

CS didn't confess to anything did he?? this was a scam from the get go

 

[rescuemom]

"Maggie fb post move to edisto july 2020"

Sounds like there was already major trouble in paradise. Which begs the question: why was she at Moselle's kennels around 9-10pm on June 7 2021? Was she lured there by AM? Did PM hear his parents fighting and/or a gunshot and ran to the kennels? Hence, that might explain AM saying during his 911 call that night, "Paul, why'd you have to get involved?"

Something very wrong with AM's story.

I didn't hear the 911 call.. AM actually said that?? If MM was living in Edisto and AM was living at the cabin, where was PM supposed to be and again the older son. I saw AM's brothers interviewed...why is the oldest son MIA

 

[Snoopster]

Hubby is retired and I am self employed. We both have a considerable amount of whole, term and AD&D insurance on us both. We also have life insurance on our son, DIL, grandkids, grand DIL and great grandkids. We only have one child but have grandkids and great grands, so we want to make sure our last expenses plus any debts we owe (CC, Cars ect) are all paid. Creditors can attach any property you own if you die owing them. Same with IRS and state liens for back taxes. I would not want to leave our son with that if we die. Everyone should have some life insurance no matter how old you are. With the crazy drivers and road rage, shooting ect these days you never know.

That is why I absolutely do not believe Dick Hootenanny when he says MM and PM did not have life insurance.

JMO

BBM
I'm going to differ with your opinion. And I worked for a life insurance company for most of my long career.
People should have life insurance if they can't handle the expense of a particular untimely death. THAT is the purpose of life insurance. If you are reasonably well off, why would you insure your children? On the long, long shot chance that they might die young, then you can handle the expense, and you will actually have lower expenses going forward. Same thing with a non-income-earning spouse. If you are reasonably well-off, you can afford to self-insure against the risk that they die suddenly, when it might cause you a bit more expense child care, but then you don't need to support the deceased spouse for the many years to come.

For the wealthy, life insurance is most effective as an estate planning tool. So, MM might have had life insurance as a means to pass along the estate to her children, but I'd be surprised if PM did, unless they fell for the 'everyone should have life insurance' argument.

 

[otto]

So who’s lying about the incident on the side of the road a couple weeks ago, CS or AM?

I think that Alex concocted a story about the roadside event, including the alleged oxycodone addiction to excuse his behavior.

 

[rescuemom]

Iirc he died at home, could be wrong, thought he was laid out at home as well.

my point was AM's alibi

 

[rescuemom]

So do I.

with MM gone no divorce, no alimony and all properties given to her returned to AM

 

[Countem]

Boat passenger told attorneys he was scared of Murdaugh family’s influence, docs show
https://www.islandpacket.com/news/local/crime/article253592859.html

From Connor Cook's deposition regarding 2019 fatal boat crash:

... Alex Murdaugh recommended an attorney, Corey Fleming, for Cook at the hospital, according to the deposition. Cook later hired attorney Sam Bauer before he was represented by his current attorney Joe McCulloch, according to his testimony. ...

Wow, the same attorney buddy AM recommended to the Satterfield family to handle their lawsuit / (still-unpaid) settlement.

Appears we have a Murdaugh pattern and practice of serial fraud and entrenched corruption.

Glad Connor did not take AM's generous offer.

Wow! Close call, indeed! After reading that article, this is definitely an established pattern for these two, IMO, and based on today’s episode of the podcast The Murdaugh Family Murders, the bank is likely involved, as well. What a mess.

 

[Luna20]

I think that Alex concocted a story about the roadside event, including the alleged oxycodone addiction to excuse his behavior.

It’s dumb for them to think we believe any of it. It is so theatrically scripted. The details that AM gave with the sketch, tire, etc were lies at the onset. It got worse from there.

I wish he would have had to prove that he was wounded before bonding out as well as his rehab location to the DA. I’m hoping SLED has some solid incriminating info.

 

[clearskies1]

If you think that the killing of MM and PM was a "warning" to AM, then it seems like you'd have to also believe that the AM/CES roadside event was a botched suicide. Because if the MM/PM killings were a warning to AM there seems to be no reason for AM to try to make anyone think that he was shot at by an assailant. JMO.

 

[midwestskeptic]

Hubby is retired and I am self employed. We both have a considerable amount of whole, term and AD&D insurance on us both. We also have life insurance on our son, DIL, grandkids, grand DIL and great grandkids. We only have one child but have grandkids and great grands, so we want to make sure our last expenses plus any debts we owe (CC, Cars ect) are all paid. Creditors can attach any property you own if you die owing them. Same with IRS and state liens for back taxes. I would not want to leave our son with that if we die. Everyone should have some life insurance no matter how old you are. With the crazy drivers and road rage, shooting ect these days you never know.

As someone that has worked in the life insurance business, it doesn't really make sense to have insurance on your children. You aren't going to be hurt financially if children under 22 die, so why would anyone take out a life insurance policy on them. It's a total waste of money and they are unlikely to die. I would say most people might have a policy for Maggie, but wouldn't have a policy on Paul. If however you're the kind of person that sees an insurance company like Murdaugh seems to as a way to make money all bets are off. Life insurance should be used to cover lost wages for wage earners, when there is someone depending on them.

Also, just to add something, most life insurance policies pay out for suicide after 2 years, some are shorter. So unless Murdaugh purchased his policy recently, he would be covered whether or not the company ruled it a suicide.

Also, I saw information saying that Paul and Maggie were shot with different weapons? A shotgun and a rifle? What's that about?

 

[Snoopster]

As someone that has worked in the life insurance business, it doesn't really make sense to have insurance on your children. You aren't going to be hurt financially if children under 22 die, so why would anyone take out a life insurance policy on them. It's a total waste of money and they are unlikely to die. I would say most people might have a policy for Maggie, but wouldn't have a policy on Paul. If however you're the kind of person that sees an insurance company like Murdaugh seems to as a way to make money all bets are off. Life insurance should be used to cover lost wages for wage earners, when there is someone depending on them.

Also, just to add something, most life insurance policies pay out for suicide after 2 years, some are shorter. So unless Murdaugh purchased his policy recently, he would be covered whether or not the company ruled it a suicide.

Also, I saw information saying that Paul and Maggie were shot with different weapons? A shotgun and a rifle? What's that about?

You are agreeing with my post further above.
I don't think many people actually understand what life insurance is for and who benefits from it. I think some people are suckered in by unscrupulous salespeople and buy life insurance when they don't need it.
Having said that, life insurance is an invaluable tool for many, many people. It is a risk sharing pool that helps people avoid catastrophic loss.