SC - Paul Murdaugh & mom Margaret Found Shot To Death - Alex Murdaugh Accused - Islandton #23

[Warwick7]

Warning: graphic content

It's unfathomable that someone would do this to another human being. I said it yes, and still shocked over it.
An then five shots to MM. It's all so horrible.

From the article:
Though Paul’s face was intact, Riemer revealed that his head was turned toward the left when he was shot the second time. Riemer said the second shot immediately killed him — with his brain being blown out of his head to the point that it was brought to the autopsy room in a bucket.

Check out IQ 10, IQ 11, and IQ 12...
PM looked to the left because he just saw who shot him when he was shot the 2nd time. He was working his way to the threshold of the door.
What we read here is awful....
I'll post the link but it's also in the the media thread.

Murdaugh Motion for Sanctions - DocumentCloud

DocumentCloud

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[pittsburghgirl]

That is very unfortunate. Lying erodes everything.

But the fact remains that it wasn't enough of an issue for her to end the marriage for 15 years is all I'm saying.

You keep saying this, that the affair (or whatever) "wasn't enough of an issue for her to end the marriage." Well, consider this: 15 years ago, their younger son was 7. That might have been "enough of an issue" to stay until he was launched. For the last 2 of those 13 years, their son Paul faced serious charges in the death of Mallory Beach. Keeping a family intact for young children through high school is one reason people stay in a marriage, and presenting a united front in a crisis might be another. Now, I have no way of knowing for sure when this couple stayed together, but we also have no way to know why she stayed or what she thought of him. And why does any of this matter if she was separated and planning to divorce at the time of her death?

 

[Tanager]

I don't necessarily believe AM intended to be dead. That's just Alex's story, and we know he's an habitual liar. We don't know what went on at the roadside.

What we DO know so far is that AM lied to LE, yet again, to make himself look like a victim.

If AM wanted to be dead, he would be. If CES planned to kill AM, he would have killed him. I feel like if you are willing to shoot at someone's head or your own head once, then you'll probably be willing to try again. I don't think this was ever anything but a ploy to delay the inevitable reckoning, and I think this ill-conceived plot went to plan until it was exposed. It was just a really crappy plan.

Why did AM call the police for this incident? For medical care? You can get medical care without involving the police, can't you? I mean, they might have questions if you show up at the hospital with a gunshot wound, I guess. How does he get any insurance money if he is not dead? I am trying to understand the point of lying to the police if there is no actual crime other than poor marksmanship, and he is headed to the hospital. The story does not make any sense if he is not dead. He calls 911 to tell them some random dudes shot at him just to explain the injury? I am trying to see how he benefits from this other than explaining the minor head injury. Why would anyone lie about the bad dudes to the police if there is no chance at getting the insurance money? Based on his casual chattiness with the 911 operator, he knew he was in zero danger of dying.

Oh wait, the ONLY benefit is manipulation. That is it. No death. No money. Just a lame story about bad dudes that might be the killers of his wife and son that he knows is a lie. If I truly wanted to find my family members' murderers, how does it help to lie to the police? Also, if I failed at killing myself, I'd try again, or decide I am not into that idea any more. I would not lie for awhile and then tell everyone how suicidal I used to be, and explain the insurance plot that I was attempting that failed. I would just say, "I tried to kill myself and it failed."

Help me, Rhonda! I mean, would continuing to lie have resulted in insurance money for A? What does he get from the lie about the bad dudes other than sympathy and fake murder suspects?

 

[detectivewannab]

Any predictions on the info from GM?

 

[Knox]

If AM wanted to be dead, he would be. If CES planned to kill AM, he would have killed him. I feel like if you are willing to shoot at someone's head or your own head once, then you'll probably be willing to try again. I don't think this was ever anything but a ploy to delay the inevitable reckoning, and I think this ill-conceived plot went to plan until it was exposed. It was just a really crappy plan.

Why did AM call the police for this incident? For medical care? You can get medical care without involving the police, can't you? I mean, they might have questions if you show up at the hospital with a gunshot wound, I guess. How does he get any insurance money if he is not dead? I am trying to understand the point of lying to the police if there is no actual crime other than poor marksmanship, and he is headed to the hospital. The story does not make any sense if he is not dead. He calls 911 to tell them some random dudes shot at him just to explain the injury? I am trying to see how he benefits from this other than explaining the minor head injury. Why would anyone lie about the bad dudes to the police if there is no chance at getting the insurance money? Based on his casual chattiness with the 911 operator, he knew he was in zero danger of dying.

Oh wait, the ONLY benefit is manipulation. That is it. No death. No money. Just a lame story about bad dudes that might be the killers of his wife and son that he knows is a lie. If I truly wanted to find my family members' murderers, how does it help to lie to the police? Also, if I failed at killing myself, I'd try again, or decide I am not into that idea any more. I would not lie for awhile and then tell everyone how suicidal I used to be, and explain the insurance plot that I was attempting that failed. I would just say, "I tried to kill myself and it failed."

Help me, Rhonda! I mean, would continuing to lie have resulted in insurance money for A? What does he get from the lie about the bad dudes other than sympathy and fake murder suspects?

Maybe he was under the influence of opiods and in that state, it seemed like a good plan. I don't think I've ever heard what drug he was using, or was that a lie too?

 

[geevee]

I just started watching AM's second LE interview and I noticed that whenever he says something that is true (like who he called on the way to/from his Mom's) he mostly looks straight ahead or out the side window, but whenever he's giving untrue details (like having napped and thought Maggie went to the kennels and didn't know where Paul went), he side-eyes the LE, like he's trying to gauge whether or not he's being believed. imo

Also, AM says when he got back from his Mom's and found no one home, he went "back" to the kennels - although he has said he was not at the kennels earlier, only had ridden around with Paul, went home for dinner, watched TV and napped and then went to his Mom's. The LE seemed to catch that because he repeated 'when you went back to the kennels', and asked if he saw a car or anything. I'm only about 20 minutes into it but it's more interesting than I thought it would be with the clues AM is unintentionally giving out.

 

[Megnut]

If AM wanted to be dead, he would be. If CES planned to kill AM, he would have killed him. I feel like if you are willing to shoot at someone's head or your own head once, then you'll probably be willing to try again. I don't think this was ever anything but a ploy to delay the inevitable reckoning, and I think this ill-conceived plot went to plan until it was exposed. It was just a really crappy plan.

Why did AM call the police for this incident? For medical care? You can get medical care without involving the police, can't you? I mean, they might have questions if you show up at the hospital with a gunshot wound, I guess. How does he get any insurance money if he is not dead? I am trying to understand the point of lying to the police if there is no actual crime other than poor marksmanship, and he is headed to the hospital. The story does not make any sense if he is not dead. He calls 911 to tell them some random dudes shot at him just to explain the injury? I am trying to see how he benefits from this other than explaining the minor head injury. Why would anyone lie about the bad dudes to the police if there is no chance at getting the insurance money? Based on his casual chattiness with the 911 operator, he knew he was in zero danger of dying.

Oh wait, the ONLY benefit is manipulation. That is it. No death. No money. Just a lame story about bad dudes that might be the killers of his wife and son that he knows is a lie. If I truly wanted to find my family members' murderers, how does it help to lie to the police? Also, if I failed at killing myself, I'd try again, or decide I am not into that idea any more. I would not lie for awhile and then tell everyone how suicidal I used to be, and explain the insurance plot that I was attempting that failed. I would just say, "I tried to kill myself and it failed."

Help me, Rhonda! I mean, would continuing to lie have resulted in insurance money for A? What does he get from the lie about the bad dudes other than sympathy and fake murder suspects?

Sweater ninjas.

Jmo

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Maggie's sister was so eloquent today. She said Alex told her that Maggie didn't struggle when she was shot but she has since learned that is not the truth. Marian was Maggie's voice from the grave today. What a class act she is.

Just curious…… if the defendant was not there, how could it be reported to the sister in law, that the wife had not struggled when she was shot?

Was that evidence presented in another means?

 

[Boodles]

Is anyone else shocked that Marian confirmed that Maggie was aware of AM taking “pills”? And Paul was a “little detective” checking up on his pill stashing?

I really didn’t buy the opiod angle. I’m still not sure I do.

I am shocked. I thought it was another bunch of baloney Alex was using to excuse behavior.

 

[Ceska]

Not always. Not in cases with no hard evidence such as this.

The prosecution has to bring in other aspects. They have hardly anything else.

Are we watching the same trial...... There is plenty of hard evidence.

 

[Luna20]

The roadside scheme he came up with.

He told ‘his version’ of the roadside scheme. That story has more holes than can be counted. None of it made sense and we haven’t seen any proof or discovery to the nonsense he was spouting. It was conveniently staged in a no camera area.

Did you see him trying to change a tire on a car that doesn’t require a conventional change process? Lies upon lies…

 

[Megnut]

I just started watching AM's second LE interview and I noticed that whenever he says something that is true (like who he called on the way to/from his Mom's) he mostly looks straight ahead or out the side window, but whenever he's giving untrue details (like having napped and thought Maggie went to the kennels and didn't know where Paul went), he side-eyes the LE, like he's trying to gauge whether or not he's being believed. imo

Also, AM says when he got back from his Mom's and found no one home, he went "back" to the kennels - although he has said he was not at the kennels earlier, only had ridden around with Paul, went home for dinner, watched TV and napped and then went to his Mom's. The LE seemed to catch that because he repeated 'when you went back to the kennels', and asked if he saw a car or anything. I'm only about 20 minutes into it but it's more interesting than I thought it would be with the clues AM is unintentionally giving out.

I noticed too that when the investigator asked him what happened between dinner and his "nap", like how did Maggie and Paul get to the kennels and when he saw them last, he drew a great big pregnant statue of liberty pause. Had no answer, couldn't even auto-generate one. But here's the thing -- and I think nearly anyone who experiences a sudden death has absolutely recall of the last time they saw the person, last thing that was said. Those are frozen in time.

His answer should have been easy. We cleared (as if) the table (as if), Paul went outside (for instance) and Maggie stayed in the kitchen while I lay down. I must have fallen asleep before she left.

But IMO his brain had to cycle past his actual recollection of when he last saw them -- Paul turning toward him, likely startled by the shoulder blast, then the realization that must have crossed his face, then the brain at his feet. Then Maggie, upright, moving, the first shot, the second. Maybe Maggie downed, on a knee. Then perhaps doubled over, shots 3 and 4, wrap around shot 5. Dogs barking and whining, whimpering. Then remembering Bubba, the kennel, the hose, the chicken... tick tick tick... too late now to say, yes, I remember now -- they headed out the door together before I settled on the couch or somesuch.

Instead he said he just didn't know, couldn't remember.

As if.

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

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[Tanager]

I believe the roadside incident should come in to evidence in this trial because it shows the intent to cover Crime A with Crime B. I believe blaming CES or random bad guys for the roadside business is clearly linked to trying to blame CES or random bad guys for the murders. He was manufacturing evidence to be used to try to cover the first crime. It doesn't matter that he allegedly "came clean" about it. Just MO.

My husband wants me to stop with the creepy murder stuff and hang with him for Valentine's Day. Happy Valentines Day, all!

 

[CrownCowboy1]

Are we watching the same trial...... There is plenty of hard evidence.

What physical evidence has been presented that ties him to the murders?

 

[Warwick7]

I just started watching AM's second LE interview and I noticed that whenever he says something that is true (like who he called on the way to/from his Mom's) he mostly looks straight ahead or out the side window, but whenever he's giving untrue details (like having napped and thought Maggie went to the kennels and didn't know where Paul went), he side-eyes the LE, like he's trying to gauge whether or not he's being believed. imo

Also, AM says when he got back from his Mom's and found no one home, he went "back" to the kennels - although he has said he was not at the kennels earlier, only had ridden around with Paul, went home for dinner, watched TV and napped and then went to his Mom's. The LE seemed to catch that because he repeated 'when you went back to the kennels', and asked if he saw a car or anything. I'm only about 20 minutes into it but it's more interesting than I thought it would be with the clues AM is unintentionally giving out.

Yes, he said he went back to the kennels. The brain hates lying. It wants to tell the truth. M00

 

[Luna20]

I noticed too that when the investigator asked him what happened between dinner and his "nap", like how did Maggie and Paul get to the kennels and when he saw them last, he drew a great big pregnant statue of liberty pause. Had no answer, couldn't even auto-generate one. But here's the thing -- and I think nearly anyone who experiences a sudden death has absolutely recall of the last time they saw the person, last thing that was said. Those are frozen in time.

His answer should have been easy. We cleared (as if) the table (as of), Paul went outside (for instance) and Maggie stayed in the kitchen while I lay down. I must have fallen asleep when she left.

But IMO his brain had to cycle past his actual recollection of when he last saw them -- Paul turning toward him, likely startled by the shoulder blast, then the realization that must have crossed his face, then the brain at his feet. Then Maggie, upright, moving, the first shot, the second. Maybe Maggie downed, on a knee. Then perhaps doubled over, shots 3 and 4, wrap around shot 5. Dogs barking and whining, whimpering. Then remembering Bubba, the kennel, the hose, the chicken... tick tick tick... too late now to say, yes, I remember now -- they headed out the door together before I settled on the couch or somesuch.

Instead he said he just didn't know, couldn't remember.

As if.

JMO

The Statue of Liberty pose is spot on! I just watched it again, it’s on AB now and my reaction is as you described.

This is my first time watching this version. Just heard an officer ask another if he knows who this family is, he says no and is told he will be filled in.

 

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[clearskies1]

Just curious…… if the defendant was not there, how could it be reported to the sister in law, that the wife had not struggled when she was shot?

Was that evidence presented in another means?

I heard Maggie's sister say that she asked Alex if Maggie suffered (not struggled) and Alex told her no, she did not, but the sister has come to learn that wasn't true. (Maggie's sister would obviously learn that from the pathologist's findings).