SC - Paul Murdaugh & mom Margaret Found Shot To Death - Alex Murdaugh Accused - Islandton #23

[uscrudd]

I believe that if we are playing this with a “lying scorecard” AW wins hands down.

I agree, but when everyone is lying the reasonable doubt goes to who?

 

[Seattle1]

Thank you! I am trying to find it now. So far all I see is a statement about confronting Alex, but he received a phone call.. then conversation turned to more of a friend to friend one. She assumed he would be leaving for the day, but later in the afternoon he called her on the office line saying he was going over things for the upcoming hearing on the boat case that was later that week.. he wanted info on his 401K balances. She was surprised because she thought he went home.

No time given for the conversation, but doesn't sound super early in the day and it doesn't sound like it was just before he left. I'll dig more tonight to see if an exact time he talked to Maggie or Paul is given. I'm just curious if he called them to come out before or after the call about his dad and the conversation about the money.

The time was provided in testimony: CFO said it was around 4:30 pm when she received a call from AM inquiring about his 401K balance which surprised her as she believed he'd left after the phone call (that CFO witnessed while in his office) advising him about his dad's deteriorating condition, and now had pneumonia.

Today, it was revealed that AM was still at the office around 6 PM as witnessed by his brother Paul. This again goes to discount PM's story that he left work early to spend time with PM "knocking around, target shooting, checking the crops."

While AM did these things with his son, they did not spend all afternoon together. PM worked a full day for Uncle John Marvin on Monday, and witness Ronnie Crosby provided that PM had turned down an invite to go fishing/hunting with his son because he had to work. Once pushed to commit, AM's final answer to investigators was he spent more than 20 minutes but probably less than 2 hours riding around the Moselle property with PM. And more important, AM was certain to again deny that they ever stepped foot near the kennels together on Monday.

It was June 7 at 3:55 PM when MM sent a text to witness Blanca that AM wanted her to come home. On Tuesday, MM's sister, MP, also testified that she encouraged MM to go to Moselle on Monday evening.

SC - Paul Murdaugh,22 & Mom Margaret,52, 7 June 2021 *Media, Maps, Timeline-NO DISCUSSION*

https://abcnews4.com/news/local/live-blog-murdaugh-murder-trial-day-7-the-big-question-did-alex-say-i-did-him-bad-or-they-did-him-bad-wciv-jury-alex-murdaugh-maggie-paul-father-son-wife-family-south-carolina-attorney-double-murders# COLLETON COUNTY, S.C. (WCIV) — The Murdaugh murder trial will...

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[Walela]

So much behind a pay wall.

Daily Beast.

 

[Edvis]

That’s the funniest post all day!

“Im gonna get there, I’m gonna be invisible while I snag my preferred weapon and then I’m gonna kill them folks”

ZERO DARK THIRTY...except you must steal your weapons first to finish the Mission. Like putting a sidecar on this crazy train lol.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I’ve only watched this case out of the corner of my eye, haven’t posted in here. But it looks quite clear to me that Murdaugh is guilty.

And I’m betting the jury will see it that way too.

 

[Edvis]

I’ve only watched this case out of the corner of my eye, haven’t posted in here. But it looks quite clear to me that Murdaugh is guilty.

And I’m betting the jury will see it that way too.

So you've been lurking ...again lol.

 

[General wooster]

I agree, but when everyone is lying the reasonable doubt goes to who?

A wise juror keeps his eyes on the ball. The full body of evidence.

 

[Luna20]

True if you are concerned about security…but not if you want to hide anything.

Bingo! I wonder if he didn’t consider these points in advance because he didn’t think he would ever be considered a suspect (from the perspective of being untouchable).

 

[Cindizzi]

Walterboro Cowboys gang members sentenced to prison for attempted murder, conspiracy
There are other news articles on this gang and possible ties to AM. Google will be your friend for these.

Here’s some tweets by the author of that article:

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[10ofRods]

If all investigation and investigators had to be perfect, we might as well not have trials. All accused persons should just go free.

Fortunately, juries rarely take that view. They take their requirement to weigh the evidence in the scales of Justice very seriously. While there could be a hung jury in this case, I personally doubt there will be. But if there is, the State can save its pennies and try him again - perhaps after his other trials.

He's going to be tried for his financial crimes - but someone mentioned that he's also likely to be tried regarding the housekeeper's death and/or the boating accident (as accessory after the fact, maybe? I don't know).

His financial misconduct is extremely serious. He has 19 other indictments (!)

Alex Murdaugh’s 19 indictments and 99 financial charges explained

When the trial of Alex Murdaugh begins next week in Colleton County, prosecutors are expected to argue that he murdered his wife and son to distract from the millions of dollars he stole from friends, family, clients and his former law firm.

www.live5news.com

This makes sense, because he might well get what is essentially life in prison for his embezzlement and breaching of his fiduciary duties as a lawyer. He's certainly going to owe a lot of money, IMO.

He has over 100 charges against him, according to the above link. 100 separate charges.

IMO

 

[TeaTime]

The lead investigator knowingly lied to the grand jury about important evidence. I can’t believe any of the state’s evidence now. Sorry. Not guilty imo

Not knowingly. At the time of the GJ, that information was deemed to be correct.

 

[Warwick7]

The lead investigator knowingly lied to the grand jury about important evidence. I can’t believe any of the state’s evidence now. Sorry. Not guilty imo

Compared to what? Alex's 200+ lies??

 

[10ofRods]

A wise juror keeps his eyes on the ball. The full body of evidence.

Exactly. Crimes are complete events, evidence is never complete. It's a tapestry. Many juries will reveal, upon interview after trial, that they ultimate go with their strongest instincts (of which reason is one; most jurors also go for empiricism). But jurors do not expect every detail, partly because after sitting for a few weeks, they realize that's impossible and they cannot keep all of it in view, anyhow.

The goal here is to determine whether or not AM killed MM and PM on a certain night. Each juror probably has different standards of what's most important in making that determination.

I’ve only watched this case out of the corner of my eye, haven’t posted in here. But it looks quite clear to me that Murdaugh is guilty.

And I’m betting the jury will see it that way too.

It's a case that my co-workers and family members have been following with medium amounts of attention. They all think he's guilty.

We shall see what the actual jury thinks soon enough. I don't think they'll deliberate for days and days.

 

[Edvis]

True if you are concerned about security…but not if you want to hide anything.

Ole hidden in plain sight ...can work if AM went to that much detail like leaving brass and shells laying around the area. Weapons powder from use on all the weapons, no wipe downs. Think AM may have took that into mind but focused on getting the ones used away and ghost knowing he had only so much time. Lazy and thinking AM status would keep him safe, no need for security and camera's. He sure wasn't no Doctor Evil, Mr. Evil had better planning.

 

[Cindizzi]

Grand Jury indictments for AM and CES ~ side of the road

https://www.scag.gov/media/3c0dlxol/hampton-co-grand-jury-indictments-alex-murdaugh-curtis-smith-redacted-02807768xd2c78.pdf

 

[Luna20]

Compared to what? Alex's 200+ lies??

DH said his client AM is a liar and that the point has been proven.

 

[Boodles]

And everyone at the defense table had a smirk on their face while he ruled.......

And then AM and Griffin shook hands.

 

[Edvis]

Exactly. Crimes are complete events, evidence is never complete. It's a tapestry. Many juries will reveal, upon interview after trial, that they ultimate go with their strongest instincts (of which reason is one; most jurors also go for empiricism). But jurors do not expect every detail, partly because after sitting for a few weeks, they realize that's impossible and they cannot keep all of it in view, anyhow.

The goal here is to determine whether or not AM killed MM and PM on a certain night. Each juror probably has different standards of what's most important in making that determination.



It's a case that my co-workers and family members have been following with medium amounts of attention. They all think he's guilty.

We shall see what the actual jury thinks soon enough. I don't think they'll deliberate for days and days.

Well said and it's true in the end, it's in the jury's hands and we're just reading the book as it plays out. Like many books we interpret them differently yet invest ourselves in the moment.

 

[Cindizzi]

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