GUILTY SD - Attorney General Jason Ravnsborg, involved in fatal car hit and run, Sioux Falls, Sept 2020 *plea *Impeached*

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Okay, for some reason, I thought that he waited until the next day. Not sure why I thought that.

The wealthy guy in Pennsylvania waited overnight after killing an Amish man with his car. IIRC, he called his lawyer before calling the police:

PA - John David King, Amish man killed in hit and run, Millheim, 17 April 2020

 

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Ravnsborg will not appear in court as impeachment hangs in limbo | KELOLAND.com

"...Ravnsborg is not required to appear in court, as the charges he is facing are misdemeanors."

 

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Does anyone know why Ravnsborg’s initial court appearance is being held in Hughes County when the incident occurred in Hyde County?

‘No Consideration’: South Dakota AG to Appear in Court as Family of Victim Blasts Process

The judge "ordered the case moved from Highmore, the Hyde County seat and the scene of the fatal crash, to Pierre, where Ravnsborg lives and works."

Also: "... the Hyde County courtroom is small and 'antiquated' and there is no elevator in the building."

Victim's cousin: “A hearing at 4 p.m. on a Friday makes me think it will be a pro forma hearing at a time, date and place designed to be lost in the weekend. If it was at 9 a.m. on a Monday I would not have the gut feeling things were being swept under the rug."

 

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and...we have another member of the Privileged Vehicular Homicide Club!

Family demands justice from DA after daughter dies in crash with Lamborghini driven by teen

On Feb. 17, 32-year-old Monique Munoz was driving home from work on Olympic Boulevard in West Los Angeles when her Lexus sedan was struck by a black Lamborghini SUV at the Overland Avenue intersection. Paramedics responded but police say Munoz died at the scene.

The horrific accident left both cars mangled and a family grieving for the loss of their daughter.

Police say the Lamborghini driver was 17 years old and he smashed into her car at high speed. After the crash, he was brought to a local hospital for medical attention.


Three weeks after the tragedy the teen suspect, although booked, has yet to be charged with a crime.


Wonder what the new Los Angeles DA will do?

Shaking my head.

jmho ymmv lrr

 

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and...we have another member of the Privileged Vehicular Homicide Club!

Police say the Lamborghini driver was 17 years old and he smashed into her car at high speed. After the crash, he was brought to a local hospital for medical attention.

Yes, the 17 year old driver is "the son of a multimillionaire": Millionaire's Son Booked for Vehicular Manslaughter After Allegedly Killing Woman in Lamborghini Crash: Cops

These accidents have made me much, much more careful while driving. "One second" can change so many lives... I hope all of the victims' families obtain justice somehow and that the drivers involved find a way to use their tragic experiences for a greater good.

 

[mickey2942]

and...we have another member of the Privileged Vehicular Homicide Club!

Family demands justice from DA after daughter dies in crash with Lamborghini driven by teen

On Feb. 17, 32-year-old Monique Munoz was driving home from work on Olympic Boulevard in West Los Angeles when her Lexus sedan was struck by a black Lamborghini SUV at the Overland Avenue intersection. Paramedics responded but police say Munoz died at the scene.

The horrific accident left both cars mangled and a family grieving for the loss of their daughter.

Police say the Lamborghini driver was 17 years old and he smashed into her car at high speed. After the crash, he was brought to a local hospital for medical attention.


Three weeks after the tragedy the teen suspect, although booked, has yet to be charged with a crime.


Wonder what the new Los Angeles DA will do?

Shaking my head.

jmho ymmv lrr

This reminds me of a similar situation in Florida. Boy, same age, with millionaire father killed a pizza delivery guy. I think that he went to a youth facility for a few years. He was drunk at the time.

Ex-Benjamin student must finish prison time for delivery man's death

 

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South Dakota Attorney General Pleads Not Guilty in Trial Over Fatal Crash

 

[dixiegirl1035]

South Dakota AG Jason Ravnsborg Pleads Not Guilty as Family of Victim Blasts Process

The widow of the man South Dakota Attorney General Jason Ravnsborg ran over and killed attended the first court hearing for the case Friday, even as Ravnsborg himself had his lawyer stand in on his behalf to enter a not guilty plea..... “It almost seems as though an effort is underway to make the entire process easier for Ravnsborg, his attorney and the judge,” Nemec told The Daily Beast of the decision to move the hearing nearly 50 miles away. “No consideration is made for the family of the victim.” Moore explained why it was relocated.
“It is in Pierre for convenience of the parties but the venue remains in Hyde County,” he said. Hyde County Clerk of Courts Marilyn Hanson said she found out the case was moved when the judge’s order arrived. Hanson said the Hyde County courtroom is small and “antiquated” and there is no elevator in the building.

Ravnsborg is charged with operating a vehicle while using a mobile electronic device, illegal lane change, and careless driving. The maximum penalty for each is 30 days in jail and a $500 fine, meaning he could serve, at most, 90 days behind bars for the crash that left a man dead....

much much more info at above link


https://kfgo.com/2021/03/13/south-dakota-ag-pleads-not-guilty-in-fatal-crash-hearing/

 

[mickey2942]

I'm just as disappointed as anyone that JR isn't getting more serious charges. But your statement doesn't reflect the actual facts. He did not actually flee the scene. He did make a 911 call. It was made from the scene. And it was made at the time of the accident. The recordings of that call were released. The sheriff did respond to the scene. And they did perform a - what must have been a less then rudimentary - search. But to the same point you were (inaccurately) attempting to make, ...anyone else that was on their phone and not paying attention to the road, who happened to accidentally run someone over & kill them, would have already had their time in court and would most likely already have started their jail sentence. The way they're running this whole "investigation" & "prosecution" just stinks to high heaven.

South Dakota AG told 911 he hit 'something' in fatal crash

This is the article. And it still seems like he left the scene. He called it in...but did not stay, and did not know he killed someone until the next day, and his blood draw, was 15 HOURS after the accident.

If he had remained at the scene of the accident, rather than leaving, we might have more information.

 

[Finlay]

South Dakota AG told 911 he hit 'something' in fatal crash

This is the article. And it still seems like he left the scene. He called it in...but did not stay, and did not know he killed someone until the next day, and his blood draw, was 15 HOURS after the accident.

If he had remained at the scene of the accident, rather than leaving, we might have more information.

His car wasn't drivable after the accident. He left the scene with the Sheriff after the Sheriff responded to the 911 call. The Sheriff then loaned JR his own personal car so that JR could return home that evening. JR then had someone follow him back in a 2nd car the next day so they could return the Sheriff's car. That's when JR found the body. I believe though that JR did not make a 911 call the next morning after finding the body. Instead, he either called the Sheriff directly or drove to the Sheriff's nearby residence and told him while returning the borrowed car. It's correct that they did not find the body the night of the accident - which seems highly suspicious. Supposedly the body was found the next day with a light on and shining in a way that should likely have been very noticeable. So it seems odd that no one at the scene - or even just passing by the scene - noticed that light.

 

[mickey2942]

His car wasn't drivable after the accident. He left the scene with the Sheriff after the Sheriff responded to the 911 call. The Sheriff then loaned JR his own personal car so that JR could return home that evening. JR then had someone follow him back in a 2nd car the next day so they could return the Sheriff's car. That's when JR found the body. I believe though that JR did not make a 911 call the next morning after finding the body. Instead, he either called the Sheriff directly or drove to the Sheriff's nearby residence and told him while returning the borrowed car. It's correct that they did not find the body the night of the accident - which seems highly suspicious. Supposedly the body was found the next day with a light on and shining in a way that should likely have been very noticeable. So it seems odd that no one at the scene - or even just passing by the scene - noticed that light.

That whole story sounds pretty sketch to me. Since when does a Sheriff loan anyone their personal car to drive home? Even if the guy is an AG.

There is something wrong with the entire situation.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

That whole story sounds pretty sketch to me. Since when does a Sheriff loan anyone their personal car to drive home? Even if the guy is an AG.

There is something wrong with the entire situation.

I keep wondering what that blacks box would have shown about the Venture after the Attorney General took it and went home. Did he stop on the way in that car?

 

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There is something wrong with the entire situation.

The Dept. of Justice needs to investigate this, not North Dakota Bureau of Investigations, or whatever agency in ND is doing this. There are too many people working on the case who may have had contact with JR. One of the prosecutors apparently went to law school with JR. The judge for the case is a retired judge -- but what were his interactions with JR before he retired?

Has JR offered an apology or some sort of acknowledgment to the family?

Also, go back and look at interview 1, at about 52:35 - this is when JR is shown the victim's glasses. Imagine that, at this moment, he is looking at glasses he has never seen before. He's finally silent and it seems like he is digesting the fact that the glasses belonged to a living, breathing human. In the 2nd interview, he actually admits that he thought the glasses might have belong to the victim. (

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I just don't understand how he hasn't resigned or at least gone on leave. We all deal with tragedy differently but I don't know if I could really function if I was responsible for the death of another person. I just don't understand this. We know it was not "intentional" but a living person is now no longer living. That has to be acknowledged and reckoned with.

 

[Tortoise]

Did he take the polygraph in the end, and if he did do we know if he passed it?

 

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The Dept. of Justice needs to investigate this, not North Dakota Bureau of Investigations, or whatever agency in ND is doing this. There are too many people working on the case who may have had contact with JR. One of the prosecutors apparently went to law school with JR. The judge for the case is a retired judge -- but what were his interactions with JR before he retired?

Has JR offered an apology or some sort of acknowledgment to the family?

Also, go back and look at interview 1, at about 52:35 - this is when JR is shown the victim's glasses. Imagine that, at this moment, he is looking at glasses he has never seen before. He's finally silent and it seems like he is digesting the fact that the glasses belonged to a living, breathing human. In the 2nd interview, he actually admits that he thought the glasses might have belong to the victim. (

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I just don't understand how he hasn't resigned or at least gone on leave. We all deal with tragedy differently but I don't know if I could really function if I was responsible for the death of another person. I just don't understand this. We know it was not "intentional" but a living person is now no longer living. That has to be acknowledged and reckoned with.

Good post.

Not sure your question can be answered conclusively but part of it I think is that he belongs to a group of well-off, powerful, entitled and ideologically-driven people for whom apology and especially any admission of guilt is viewed as a sign of weakness.

And, of course, he'll know the law and his fellow lawyers and lawmakers well enough to exploit any ambiguities and grey areas in order to escape real punishment or even censure and may even find a way to recast the accident as a sort of test under which he did not break and learned better the godly gifts of compassion, humility, etc.

It's an ugly story but I don't see the deceased family's getting much in the way of justice, although it may lead to a civil suit, I suppose.

 

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‘What ifs’ surround discussion of a Ravnsborg impeachment | KELOLAND.com

Univ. of South Dakota political science professor weighs in on the JR accident/impeachment issue.

Nothing really new but he does seem to confirm JR's strategy of waiting out the public's interest. It seems like it will be on the family to keep this incident front and center.

I would love to see the following pieces of evidence (and yes, I know it's not possible at this point):

the digital accident reconstruction that was conducted, JR's photograph of his car right after the accident, polygraph results (as Tortoise asks above), cell phone records the minute before the crash, cell phone records while JR was driving the sheriff's car home and that night, cell phone records the day the body was found, surveillance videos from surrounding gas stations, picture of victim's glasses, picture of victim's flashlight while on - in the dark, victim's autopsy report...​

What would you want to see as evidence?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

‘What ifs’ surround discussion of a Ravnsborg impeachment | KELOLAND.com

Univ. of South Dakota political science professor weighs in on the JR accident/impeachment issue.

Nothing really new but he does seem to confirm JR's strategy of waiting out the public's interest. It seems like it will be on the family to keep this incident front and center.

I would love to see the following pieces of evidence (and yes, I know it's not possible at this point):

the digital accident reconstruction that was conducted, JR's photograph of his car right after the accident, polygraph results (as Tortoise asks above), cell phone records the minute before the crash, cell phone records while JR was driving the sheriff's car home and that night, cell phone records the day the body was found, surveillance videos from surrounding gas stations, picture of victim's glasses, picture of victim's flashlight while on - in the dark, victim's autopsy report...​

What would you want to see as evidence?

Black box report of his car, in layman's terms. black box report of Sheriff's car (but wasn't done/doesn't exist)

 

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What would you want to see as evidence?

- Statement from JR's chief of staff (the person who was with him when he found the body the next day)

- a statement from local law enforcement explaining why it took so long for the victim's family to be notified

- video inside the restaurant during the time of the political event JR attended before the accident

- the 73 redacted seconds in the 2nd interrogation video

- list of cases the retired judge presided over in which JR was somehow involved

- list of cases JR and the prosecutors of this case collaborated on (in the past)

- map/pictures or diagram showing the car and the body in relation to the "Highmore" sign referenced by JR during interrogation videos

 

[mickey2942]

Any highway camera/video from that date...that shows his car in it. Was he driving erratically?

And if the video is gone, what happened to it?

 

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AG Ravnsborg status hearing scheduled for May | KELOLAND.com

Status hearing: May 12, 2021