ACTIVE SEARCH SD - Serenity Dennard, 9, Children’s Home Society, Pennington County, 3 Feb 2019 #2

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I am so overjoyed the Cali girls were found safe. What awesome news and such a relief. I am so happy for their safety and the relief their family must be feeling.

At the very time, it makes me so sad for Serenity who has not had the same outcome.

I am though continuing to pray and hope beyond all hope for her and her family. One case could not help but make me think of the other.
 
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I was just posting something similar :) One case reminds of the other.
The biggest difference, perhaps, is the weather conditions. It seems like the second Serenity stepped outside on her own, winter with all its brutal force decided to pay a long visit.
Had the weather been the same in South Dakota - 50s - I'm sure they would have staged a similar extended S&R campaign.
 
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The biggest difference, perhaps, is the weather conditions. It seems like the second Serenity stepped outside on her own, winter with all its brutal force decided to pay a long visit.
Had the weather been the same in South Dakota - 50s - I'm sure they would have staged a similar extended S&R campaign.

I would hope so. SD did have some searches, I do not remember near the same overwhelming response and resources being brought in when they could search though. I guess it varies state to state. They even stopped cars on the road and checked them, cordoned off the area but for locals and put lights and staging along various roads at strategic points in the event the girls could see them last night. They searched all night both nights and the first night in the rain. Granted that is not the same as winter weather but I think the road things could have been employed in this case too.

I guess a big difference as well is that this was reported on throughout with continued contact to the public so we knew more. Perhaps it was way more extensive than we think in SD, it was simply never reported on nor made much news.

It is not judging anyone personally since I know no one involved, to simply wonder why.

But yes, this was South Dakota weather...

So happy in the one case and more heartbroken in this one is all.
 
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I think if people do not live in cold like this, here is what you can do. And of course, just wear a shirt.

Go into the refrigeration of your supermarket. That is about 40 degrees. Then go into the freezer. That is zero.

How long will you last?
 
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I don't know much about adoptions, I know in general how rehabilitation for children referred to programs for behavioral issues and therapy works.

I thought that Serenity was already legally adopted. That means she is the responsibility of her adopted parents. Unless they were going through the process of relinquishing their custody, back to the state.

Legally, she does belong to her adoptive parents, just like my adopted kids belong to me. However, residential treatment centers are paid for by the county when a child has been adopted, even though they legally belong to their adoptive parent.

This is from California, where I live. Most states have the same policy:

"15. Is residential treatment available? If yes, who is eligible and how do families access residential treatment services?

When an AAP-eligible child is placed in an approved out-of-home placement such as a group home or residential treatment facility, the placement should be part of a plan for the child’s return to the adoptive family’s home. AAP may pay for an eligible out-of-home placement if the placement is justified by a specific episode or condition and does not exceed 18 months. After an initial authorized out-of-home placement, subsequent authorizations for payment for the out-of-home placement must be based on the child’s subsequent and specific episode or conditions.

The payment for the out-of-home placement may not exceed the maximum state-approved foster care facility rate for which the child is placed.

California State Adoption Assistance Program
 
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I think if people do not live in cold like this, here is what you can do. And of course, just wear a shirt.

Go into the refrigeration of your supermarket. That is about 40 degrees. Then go into the freezer. That is zero.

How long will you last?
Then turn on the snowmaker and a huge fan.
 
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And to get an idea of searching that stream, put your feet in a bucket of ice water.

Then sit back and be thankful that you don't live in subzero conditions. Sorry for OT response.
 
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Parts of the state had over 40 below wind chill last night. Even those of us who are no strangers to this weather want whoever upset Elsa to apologize..NOW!
This child needs to be found if she is out there.
 
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According to the article, it's been a "recovery effort" pretty much after day one of the organized search. Rest in God's arms, little angel.
 
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Re residential treatment in SD.

Some residents are placed by DSS paid from by Medicaid and other funding, some due to school behaviors and the district pays, some placed by DOC again Medicaid and other funding, and some by parents (adopted or otherwise) and funded by insurance, Medicaid, and/or self pay. I can't remember specifics but it is expensive.

Average stay both where I worked and at BHCH as well as CHS' residential treatment in Sioux Falls is 12-14 months. That can increase or decrease mostly on how fast a child completes their treatment plan.

We had a school on site that was part of the local school district. We also had a day school program for kid not in residential but also not allowed to attend one of the public schools. Some of our residents did attend local public schools. Most had IEPs with the schools.

My understanding is BHCH is similar in that there is a school on site, they have a day school program. I have been told though that the school is a private school and not part of the public school system there. I do not know that as fact though.

Where I worked it was a locked entrance. You needed a FOB or to be let in. The doors exiting the living areas had alarms. The windows had alarm sensors. At night, all bedroom doorways had alarm sensors turned on and the rooms with 2 beds also had sensors so staff was alerted if they were crossed. The ER fire exit had a 5 second delay. To get to the front part of the building you had to use a FOB. Our building exits could not be locked. Many resident facilities are not. It all depends on regulations, licensing, accreditation, laws, etc. Our intensive program had a locked door on their unit. Alarming the center exit doors would mean the alarms going off consistently as those doors were used by day school students and their parents, EAs, teachers, visitors, deliveries, staff, kids leaving the center, DSS workers, etc. Most of those do not have FOBs and most were not escorted out of the building. Ideally, maybe but it it wouldn't be practical because there is not always a staff available to walk down the hallways to let visitors out. It was almost always possible to stand in the unit doorways to watch people exit though.

We also were not allowed to use monitoring devices when I worked there. Keep in mind anything that singles kids out could get them picked on. Plus kids are quick to figure ways around it. We didn't permit our residents to have cell phones either. Most had a very limited list of contacts they were permitted calls with. Residents having cell phones would be a nightmare and increase the risk to them. We would have no idea who the were talking to, would make running easier as they could arrange a pick up, etc

We used to be able to take shoes and coats of kids on run risk but that had to change too. Kids only having socks actually reduced runaways but we were told by those outside our agency that it was no longer permitted. We had to at least give them flip flops. Not always are rules made by those that work with the kids. These kids also have rights. They are not inmates at residential centers. Yes, they are in a restricted environment but many do not fit the guidelines to be in a locked facility (where they are locked in.) Most kids had other interventions before being placed in residential. Least restrictive is usually the start in most cases. Even locked facilities have runaways. Locking them in won't stop kids from running but it does slow them down usually.

Most of the kids in places like BHCH and where I worked have been abused or neglected. Many have mental health issues, all have some sort of behavioral issues - truancy, self harm, running away, defiance, assaulting staff or others, stealing, vandalism, drinking, drugs, etc. We also have some kids on the spectrum but they were higher functioning and verbal. Many have been in multiple foster homes or placements. Some have parents or adopted parents. Many had parents whose rights were taken away due to abuse. Some had other family but there were a few kids that had no one besides their workers.

We didn't have kids that smeared feces and such but the intensive unit did. BHCH has kids ages 4 to 14 so they had younger kids than the ones I worked with. I know from others that used to work at the SF residential home location that they had similar type kids but also other issues relating to ages and such. They may also take more intensive cases that I am not aware of.

None of this is to say that BHCH is innocent of wrongdoing or that they couldn't do better. I am assuming that changes have already been made and that more will happen as all the investigations conclude. I know when we had incidents, everything was evaluated to see where we could make improvements. I assume they have similar type policies or I don't think they would still be around. CHS (BHCH's parent organization) has great reputation overall. This may impact them but I also don't see them being closed over this. Sad fact is, kids runaway and there is no foolproof why placements can stop them, even parents are limited but the can do more overall than placements. A death while sad and horrible wouldn't be "their fault" if she did indeed run and succumb due to weather as long as BHCH followed policies, procedures, regulations, and laws. We don't know if they did or didn't and likely won't unless a lawsuit gives us access to that info. So much is confidential regarding these types of facilities. HIPAA and other laws impact the release of information to the public.

I have personal feelings and thoughts as to this situation but my big thing is that delay in calling 911. Even if staff was searching themselves, that is a long time to wait in that location with the pending weather. I don't understand why they waited so long. While a runaway is an incident at these types of facilities, it wouldn't be a major issue with powers that be (agencies outside CHS) unless BHCH was already on probation for having so many runaways or not having proper safety procedures in place. Which of course we don't know. Serenity not being found would be a much bigger issue in my opinion. We had runaways but all were located so I can't speak to that for sure.

This whole situation is heartbreaking!
 
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here is a new article about serenity ‘s case.

One month since Serenity Dennard's disappearance

Nothing really new in that article, but it is good to keep it front and center. And it does reiterate a few facts that we have wondered about. Serenity was last seen 15 minutes after leaving the gym. She was last seen by the people in the car, not a staff member. And the people in the car were dropping off another child.

9-year-old Serenity Dennard disappeared from the Black Hills Children's Home Society in Rockerville a month ago.

Serenity was last seen 15 minutes after escaping, by someone dropping off another child in front of the home.

Police were then alerted and sheriff deputies called for a 35-person search and rescue effort that went into effect until later that evening.

But, due to the severe cold weather they couldn't search through that night.

At the time, officials organized over 100 people, helicopters and several specialty dog teams to patrol the area over the next 7 days.

But after extensive efforts throughout the week, the Pennington County Sheriffs office switched the operation to a recovery effort.​
 
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Re residential treatment in SD.

Some residents are placed by DSS paid from by Medicaid and other funding, some due to school behaviors and the district pays, some placed by DOC again Medicaid and other funding, and some by parents (adopted or otherwise) and funded by insurance, Medicaid, and/or self pay. I can't remember specifics but it is expensive.

Average stay both where I worked and at BHCH as well as CHS' residential treatment in Sioux Falls is 12-14 months. That can increase or decrease mostly on how fast a child completes their treatment plan.

We had a school on site that was part of the local school district. We also had a day school program for kid not in residential but also not allowed to attend one of the public schools. Some of our residents did attend local public schools. Most had IEPs with the schools.

My understanding is BHCH is similar in that there is a school on site, they have a day school program. I have been told though that the school is a private school and not part of the public school system there. I do not know that as fact though.

Where I worked it was a locked entrance. You needed a FOB or to be let in. The doors exiting the living areas had alarms. The windows had alarm sensors. At night, all bedroom doorways had alarm sensors turned on and the rooms with 2 beds also had sensors so staff was alerted if they were crossed. The ER fire exit had a 5 second delay. To get to the front part of the building you had to use a FOB. Our building exits could not be locked. Many resident facilities are not. It all depends on regulations, licensing, accreditation, laws, etc. Our intensive program had a locked door on their unit. Alarming the center exit doors would mean the alarms going off consistently as those doors were used by day school students and their parents, EAs, teachers, visitors, deliveries, staff, kids leaving the center, DSS workers, etc. Most of those do not have FOBs and most were not escorted out of the building. Ideally, maybe but it it wouldn't be practical because there is not always a staff available to walk down the hallways to let visitors out. It was almost always possible to stand in the unit doorways to watch people exit though.

We also were not allowed to use monitoring devices when I worked there. Keep in mind anything that singles kids out could get them picked on. Plus kids are quick to figure ways around it. We didn't permit our residents to have cell phones either. Most had a very limited list of contacts they were permitted calls with. Residents having cell phones would be a nightmare and increase the risk to them. We would have no idea who the were talking to, would make running easier as they could arrange a pick up, etc

We used to be able to take shoes and coats of kids on run risk but that had to change too. Kids only having socks actually reduced runaways but we were told by those outside our agency that it was no longer permitted. We had to at least give them flip flops. Not always are rules made by those that work with the kids. These kids also have rights. They are not inmates at residential centers. Yes, they are in a restricted environment but many do not fit the guidelines to be in a locked facility (where they are locked in.) Most kids had other interventions before being placed in residential. Least restrictive is usually the start in most cases. Even locked facilities have runaways. Locking them in won't stop kids from running but it does slow them down usually.

Most of the kids in places like BHCH and where I worked have been abused or neglected. Many have mental health issues, all have some sort of behavioral issues - truancy, self harm, running away, defiance, assaulting staff or others, stealing, vandalism, drinking, drugs, etc. We also have some kids on the spectrum but they were higher functioning and verbal. Many have been in multiple foster homes or placements. Some have parents or adopted parents. Many had parents whose rights were taken away due to abuse. Some had other family but there were a few kids that had no one besides their workers.

We didn't have kids that smeared feces and such but the intensive unit did. BHCH has kids ages 4 to 14 so they had younger kids than the ones I worked with. I know from others that used to work at the SF residential home location that they had similar type kids but also other issues relating to ages and such. They may also take more intensive cases that I am not aware of.

None of this is to say that BHCH is innocent of wrongdoing or that they couldn't do better. I am assuming that changes have already been made and that more will happen as all the investigations conclude. I know when we had incidents, everything was evaluated to see where we could make improvements. I assume they have similar type policies or I don't think they would still be around. CHS (BHCH's parent organization) has great reputation overall. This may impact them but I also don't see them being closed over this. Sad fact is, kids runaway and there is no foolproof why placements can stop them, even parents are limited but the can do more overall than placements. A death while sad and horrible wouldn't be "their fault" if she did indeed run and succumb due to weather as long as BHCH followed policies, procedures, regulations, and laws. We don't know if they did or didn't and likely won't unless a lawsuit gives us access to that info. So much is confidential regarding these types of facilities. HIPAA and other laws impact the release of information to the public.

I have personal feelings and thoughts as to this situation but my big thing is that delay in calling 911. Even if staff was searching themselves, that is a long time to wait in that location with the pending weather. I don't understand why they waited so long. While a runaway is an incident at these types of facilities, it wouldn't be a major issue with powers that be (agencies outside CHS) unless BHCH was already on probation for having so many runaways or not having proper safety procedures in place. Which of course we don't know. Serenity not being found would be a much bigger issue in my opinion. We had runaways but all were located so I can't speak to that for sure.

This whole situation is heartbreaking!

Very informative, thank you from one that would not know all of these things.

The organization is clearly huge and I would not expect them to be closed either over one incident, even if it is the life of this child. I have no idea what happened.

I think it would go a long ways though to be more upfront and state what policies have been changed if any to prevent it again, what truly happened, answer the questions about cameras and procedures, etc. Whatever happened, I agree with you that considering where they are located, the weather, the very type of facility they are with children with issues AND what she was wearing should have had 911 called pretty quickly. I think that part is at the very least most people's issue and the remainder we wonder about but remain somewhat open minded about.

Even though I say we, I speak only for myself, that is just based on other posts throughout this month where I feel some others think the same.

I also think it is sad that we look at it as a child's life where sometimes the top of huge entities look at it as is this one statistic going to hurt us? Sad but true. Not aimed at this particular organization, just in general, it is a truth, with all types of huge organizations, not just of this type. Commercial, government, non-profit, anything truly large quite often...

jmo.
 
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Re residential treatment in SD.

Some residents are placed by DSS paid from by Medicaid and other funding, some due to school behaviors and the district pays, some placed by DOC again Medicaid and other funding, and some by parents (adopted or otherwise) and funded by insurance, Medicaid, and/or self pay. I can't remember specifics but it is expensive.

Average stay both where I worked and at BHCH as well as CHS' residential treatment in Sioux Falls is 12-14 months. That can increase or decrease mostly on how fast a child completes their treatment plan.

We had a school on site that was part of the local school district. We also had a day school program for kid not in residential but also not allowed to attend one of the public schools. Some of our residents did attend local public schools. Most had IEPs with the schools.

My understanding is BHCH is similar in that there is a school on site, they have a day school program. I have been told though that the school is a private school and not part of the public school system there. I do not know that as fact though.

Where I worked it was a locked entrance. You needed a FOB or to be let in. The doors exiting the living areas had alarms. The windows had alarm sensors. At night, all bedroom doorways had alarm sensors turned on and the rooms with 2 beds also had sensors so staff was alerted if they were crossed. The ER fire exit had a 5 second delay. To get to the front part of the building you had to use a FOB. Our building exits could not be locked. Many resident facilities are not. It all depends on regulations, licensing, accreditation, laws, etc. Our intensive program had a locked door on their unit. Alarming the center exit doors would mean the alarms going off consistently as those doors were used by day school students and their parents, EAs, teachers, visitors, deliveries, staff, kids leaving the center, DSS workers, etc. Most of those do not have FOBs and most were not escorted out of the building. Ideally, maybe but it it wouldn't be practical because there is not always a staff available to walk down the hallways to let visitors out. It was almost always possible to stand in the unit doorways to watch people exit though.

We also were not allowed to use monitoring devices when I worked there. Keep in mind anything that singles kids out could get them picked on. Plus kids are quick to figure ways around it. We didn't permit our residents to have cell phones either. Most had a very limited list of contacts they were permitted calls with. Residents having cell phones would be a nightmare and increase the risk to them. We would have no idea who the were talking to, would make running easier as they could arrange a pick up, etc

We used to be able to take shoes and coats of kids on run risk but that had to change too. Kids only having socks actually reduced runaways but we were told by those outside our agency that it was no longer permitted. We had to at least give them flip flops. Not always are rules made by those that work with the kids. These kids also have rights. They are not inmates at residential centers. Yes, they are in a restricted environment but many do not fit the guidelines to be in a locked facility (where they are locked in.) Most kids had other interventions before being placed in residential. Least restrictive is usually the start in most cases. Even locked facilities have runaways. Locking them in won't stop kids from running but it does slow them down usually.

Most of the kids in places like BHCH and where I worked have been abused or neglected. Many have mental health issues, all have some sort of behavioral issues - truancy, self harm, running away, defiance, assaulting staff or others, stealing, vandalism, drinking, drugs, etc. We also have some kids on the spectrum but they were higher functioning and verbal. Many have been in multiple foster homes or placements. Some have parents or adopted parents. Many had parents whose rights were taken away due to abuse. Some had other family but there were a few kids that had no one besides their workers.

We didn't have kids that smeared feces and such but the intensive unit did. BHCH has kids ages 4 to 14 so they had younger kids than the ones I worked with. I know from others that used to work at the SF residential home location that they had similar type kids but also other issues relating to ages and such. They may also take more intensive cases that I am not aware of.

None of this is to say that BHCH is innocent of wrongdoing or that they couldn't do better. I am assuming that changes have already been made and that more will happen as all the investigations conclude. I know when we had incidents, everything was evaluated to see where we could make improvements. I assume they have similar type policies or I don't think they would still be around. CHS (BHCH's parent organization) has great reputation overall. This may impact them but I also don't see them being closed over this. Sad fact is, kids runaway and there is no foolproof why placements can stop them, even parents are limited but the can do more overall than placements. A death while sad and horrible wouldn't be "their fault" if she did indeed run and succumb due to weather as long as BHCH followed policies, procedures, regulations, and laws. We don't know if they did or didn't and likely won't unless a lawsuit gives us access to that info. So much is confidential regarding these types of facilities. HIPAA and other laws impact the release of information to the public.

I have personal feelings and thoughts as to this situation but my big thing is that delay in calling 911. Even if staff was searching themselves, that is a long time to wait in that location with the pending weather. I don't understand why they waited so long. While a runaway is an incident at these types of facilities, it wouldn't be a major issue with powers that be (agencies outside CHS) unless BHCH was already on probation for having so many runaways or not having proper safety procedures in place. Which of course we don't know. Serenity not being found would be a much bigger issue in my opinion. We had runaways but all were located so I can't speak to that for sure.

This whole situation is heartbreaking!

Excellent. This is exactly how I know the residentials are in MN that I know of.
 
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I've been following the amazing Leia and Caroline Carrico case where the girls huddled under a bush to keep warm and safe from the elements. I can't help but wonder if perhaps Serenity tried to do the same thing - crawl under a bush or in an enclosure of some kind in an effort to get out of the weather, and that's why they are having trouble locating her. Of course, the Carrico girls weren't facing the drastic weather conditions that descended on South Dakota when Serenity disappeared.
Of course we hope that she was able to somehow find better shelter, warmth, and food. So far, though, no sign of her.
I keep checking the long range weather forecast, and it still isn't getting up to normal temps any time soon. But at least there is no more really brutally cold snaps forecast either. Next week's highs are basically in the mid 30s.
 
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